We are to be congratulated. This winter is proof that our efforts have been successful. I would like to thank the environmentalists (aka. tree-huggers) for all that they have done to modify the climate of this ball we call Earth. All of their badgering of industry and private citizens has not been in vain.

This winter is showing evidence that the polar ice pack is reforming as it has extended as far south as Des Moines and into my driveway most likely preventing me from getting my Fiero out of the garage until late June. Also 90% of the Great lakes are now covered in snow. - True statement.

The sky is bluer, lake levels are returning to normal, and the air just seems cleaner. Breathe easy. We have won.

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This winter sucks. I can't wait until its over. The eco-wacko will blame this cold, crappy, winter on global warming somehow.

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quote Originally posted by RACE: We are to be congratulated. This winter is proof that our efforts have been successful. I would like to thank the environmentalists (aka. tree-huggers) for all that they have done to modify the climate of this ball we call Earth. All of their badgering of industry and private citizens has not been in vain. This winter is showing evidence that the polar ice pack is reforming as it has extended as far south as Des Moines and into my driveway most likely preventing me from getting my Fiero out of the garage until late June. Also 90% of the Great lakes are now covered in snow. - True statement. The sky is bluer, lake levels are returning to normal, and the air just seems cleaner. Breathe easy. We have won.

Just because it snows in a state in the northern half of the US in the middle of winter doesn't mean global warming is over.

Thanks for clearing that up.

quote Originally posted by 30+mpg: Just because it snows in a state in the northern half of the US in the middle of winter doesn't mean global warming is over.

I live one state over from RACE. We've had continuous snow cover on the ground since December 6th. That hasn't happened in many, MANY years. This was supposed to be a mild winter....it's actually been one of the harshest ones in a long time, for both temps and precipitation. I'm with RACE...

Curse you for ending global warming! It was a pleasant 60 degrees today and because of you, tomorrow's high is going to be 40. Gee, thanks.

quote Originally posted by 30+mpg: Just because it snows in a state in the northern half of the US in the middle of winter doesn't mean global warming is over.

And just because it was hotter or dryer than normal for a summer doesn't mean global warming ever started.

Jim

We haven't been any better down here one state south of you. Saturday it was supposed to rain late afternoon/early evening, from 3:00 pm to 7:00pm we got almost 9 inches of wet, heavy snow. Then, yesterday afternoon and last night, 53°F and 40mph winds melted it all in a few hours. At least the ponds got some more water in them. It's been the coldest winter so far this year since I installed my weather station in '01 by a large amount. A very large amount. I looked this morning but don't remember, but now that I've had a memory jogger I'll look again tomorrow and post how much cooler it's been. A whole lot wetter as well.

John Stricker

BTW, litespd, answer your friggin' emails. I sent my entry in and it looks like I could make it over with my trailer on that Thursday afternoon to pick up your car if you wanted. We can discuss it.

quote Originally posted by litespd: I live one state over from RACE. We've had continuous snow cover on the ground since December 6th. That hasn't happened in many, MANY years. This was supposed to be a mild winter....it's actually been one of the harshest ones in a long time, for both temps and precipitation. I'm with RACE...

Im not looking at any official facts...but just reality tells me this winter, although it started a little late, is the worse one in last 8 or so years. Ive shoveled/snow blown more snow so far this winter than I have the total of last half dozen. I used the blower once each of the last 2 years, and have used it at least once each week for last month and half. I know Lake Erie froze over for the first time in years this winter. I have friends that live at Pt Clinton.

I've yet to see a problem with "Global Warming." For us it means, longer growing seasons, more product put out, better chance for the cattle and animals to survive as well as the crops.


Yeah, the winter here sucks too, and I'm ready for some warming. Supposed to get 11 more inches of snow over the next 2 days.

Interesting article that backs you up, Race

http://www.nationalpost.com...story.html?id=332289

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When I poosted this it was just meant to be a fun way to say that this winter has been rough and long. However, I remember when I was in grade school (70, early 80s) the best scientific minds claimed that we were slipping back into an ice age but that was back before there was money to be made (carbon tax) and power to be gained in environmentalism. Who do you believe?

What I find amusing is, if and when the earth enters a cooling period due to reduced Sun spot activity, will Al Gore do the honourable thing, admit he was wrong, and hand back his Nobel Prize?

Arn

quote Originally posted by litespd: I live one state over from RACE. We've had continuous snow cover on the ground since December 6th. That hasn't happened in many, MANY years. This was supposed to be a mild winter....it's actually been one of the harshest ones in a long time, for both temps and precipitation. I'm with RACE...

So that's why Nebraskans have been rude to me when I excitedly say that it's 30 degrees or warmer outside? That's why I get dirty looks when I say that the 2" of snowfall is only a dusting? I've forgotten what Nebraska's winters are like. If this is the worst Nebraska has to offer, this Minnesotan/South Dakotan is quite happy with the climate change!

Worst winters ever, all over the world? Hmmm... I'd have thought all the HOT AIR coming from Global Warming activists alone would have been enough to warm the earth!!

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quote Originally posted by aceman: So that's why Nebraskans have been rude to me when I excitedly say that it's 30 degrees or warmer outside? That's why I get dirty looks when I say that the 2" of snowfall is only a dusting? I've forgotten what Nebraska's winters are like. If this is the worst Nebraska has to offer, this Minnesotan/South Dakotan is quite happy with the climate change!

yeah this whole area has been like that for years, but we had 1-2 good snows last year and this year it was snow after snow and quite a bit. was wishing I had a snow blower... that wasnt fun lol

I agree it's been cold recently, but one winter does not a climate make. (Weather != Climate)

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I agree it's been cold recently, but one winter does not a climate make. (Weather != Climate)

Niether does 10 hot summers.

quote Originally posted by ace35: I've yet to see a problem with "Global Warming."

Same here. Nature has always adapted to what ever circumstances. Wild fires burn off an over abundance of brush, animals get thicker coats of fur, even the color of man's skin is different in different areas of the world to endure the exposure to the sun. Heck, Evolutionists should embrace this change.
Personally, we all have to adapt to what life throws at us. We may be doing well financially and then face ruin, we may lose our security due to fire/hurricane/flooding/etc, we may go through a divorce. So what the ice caps are melting (they say). We are gonna lose some coast line ? There will always be coast line. I work outside in the elements. My life is just as livable as that of someone in a climate controlled environment.

quote Originally posted by RACE: Who do you believe?

I have learned not to believe anything i hear or read and only half the things I see. That one can only truly believe in themselves. Your question may have been better posed as "who do you trust?". On that, I have a friend who says that you can only trust your enemies. You know where they stand.
I find it interesting that the ones raising the alarm about Global Warming.....Climate Change are the same ones that were warning us about an impending new Ice Age. I guess that we can believe in politicians and believe that they are indeed the enemy. (As an aside, I realize that it is not 100% politician driven)
Back on topic.....

quote Originally posted by RACE: When I poosted this it was just meant to be a fun way to say that this winter has been rough and long.

.....I realized your post was in jest. I just want to say that all you northerners have my heartfelt sympathies. I have live in Delaware and Montana, worked in Wyoming and Oklahoma and as I have said, work in the elements here in Texas. It does get cold in Texas when you are outside in it for twelve hours. It also gets hot here. I have to tell you that the heat is more bearable and comfortable. I suspect that the southerners who complain about the heat are the ones who exist in climate controlled environments. inter can have a paralyzing effect. Even though I am used to working outside, I do not on my off hours when it's cold.
Sending warm vibes to the north.

the earth has 2 sources of heat: the sun & the inner core.

us puny humans scurrying about in a tiny tiny tiny layer of atmosphere have NO NOTICABLE impact. we are farts in the wind. yes, we can make the tiny tiny layer of gasses mighty stinky, and maybe even toxic.

the suns influance on global temps is #1. and, the sun is not s rock steady thing. but, being as large as it is, changes are slow. but, it does change. it cycles. it even undulates.

try it this way: your average size globe. our atmosphere is about as thick as a layer of varnish on that globe. now, try and make a ball of fire, to scale, and keep it at a constant temp. forever. cant do it. the temp will vary. you cannot expect the solar output to be a constant. and that is what climate change people do. they think the sun is a constant. it is not.

quote Originally posted by fierosound: Worst winters ever, all over the world? Hmmm... I'd have thought all the HOT AIR coming from Global Warming activists alone would have been enough to warm the earth!!

SILENCE Fierosound! Or I'll have Dr. Suzuki jail you for questioning his science.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Sending warm vibes to the north.

"Warm vibes" are nice and all, but I'd appreciate it more if you could send some "warm air" instead.

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My wife's long time friend is an executive for I think, Puget Power here in the NW. They are planning thir long range energy needs for a cooling cycle which they say has already begun. That is what we were told to expect ever since I was a kid.

Global Warming Never started!! The Earth is just going through cycles of changing weather patterns, it has been proven. Everyone just ignores that. One day this Earth will be back to an Ice Age and start all over again, but not anytime soon, maybe billions and trillions of years from now. Its just history repeating itself. Global Warming just makes for a good movie and something for people to be scared about, thats all.

quote Originally posted by craigsfiero2007: Global Warming just makes for a good movie and something for people to be scared about, thats all.

If that was all it was it would be no big deal. The problem is greedy power hungry politicians using the fear to further the careers and tax the crap out of us! With the blind ignorance of the people and the for mentioned politicians I see a real chance for extreme damage to our country and way of life.

quote Originally posted by craigsfiero2007: Global Warming Never started!!

Not true! If it weren't for the Global Warming that has occured for the past 6000+ years, Canada would still be under a 2 mile thick ice sheet. GW helped melt that. Not sure if we want to revert to that.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Im not looking at any official facts...but just reality tells me this winter, although it started a little late, is the worse one in last 8 or so years. Ive shoveled/snow blown more snow so far this winter than I have the total of last half dozen. I used the blower once each of the last 2 years, and have used it at least once each week for last month and half. I know Lake Erie froze over for the first time in years this winter. I have friends that live at Pt Clinton.

The great lake region has seen record snow fall this winter.

its not global warming any more its "climate change" now... once the average temps started dropping back down they had to cover there ass... i cant stand enviro-fags. your destroying this destroying that tax this tax that dont eat meat hell dont exsist bwahhhhhh think about the spotted barn owl bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

quote Originally posted by HI-TECH: its not global warming any more its "climate change" now... once the average temps started dropping back down they had to cover there ass... i cant stand enviro-fags. your destroying this destroying that tax this tax that dont eat meat hell dont exsist bwahhhhhh think about the spotted barn owl bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Hahahaha, great post! heh.

Many places all over the world have seen their coldest winters in some time. China, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Tajikistan to name a few. Was it last winter the one before where parts of Japan had 14 feet of snow? Also what happed to the worst hurricane season ever for two years ago or this year?

Although it has been pretty mild here. Not that I'm complaining I like the relatively lower electric bill.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: us puny humans scurrying about in a tiny tiny tiny layer of atmosphere have NO NOTICABLE impact. we are farts in the wind. yes, we can make the tiny tiny layer of gasses mighty stinky, and maybe even toxic. the suns influance on global temps is #1.

If that were true, Mercury would be the planet with the hottest average temperature. Instead, Venus, at over 2x the distance from the sun, holds that record. By all accounts, if we had the same atmosphere composition, our average temperature would be 100F - which means Arizona in summer would probably get hot enough to boil water.

When is that Feiro meet in the Artic agian, next december?

Race, one thing I noticed was that it didn't get real wicked cold till after the Iowa primaries?

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McCain didn't even show up to campaign, but Barack and Hillery were both here.
Al Gore used 'Global Warming' to get a Nobel prize?
Is a certain political party capable of controlling something more than minds?
Could regional weather alter the November 4th elections, one way or the other?

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The area in China I visit had the worst snow fall this year, then they have had in more than 100 years.
Every time I hear a global warmest talk I drift back to one of my favorite childhood stories, "Chicken Little".

quote Originally posted by HI-TECH: its not global warming any more its "climate change" now... once the average temps started dropping back down they had to cover there ass... i cant stand enviro-fags. your destroying this destroying that tax this tax that dont eat meat hell dont exsist bwahhhhhh think about the spotted barn owl bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

The term "climate change" was brought into being by the Republican wordsmiths who changed "estate tax" to "death tax" and coined the term "abolish the marriage penalty". Me, I'm no scientist. I dislike extremist Liberals as much as I dislike hardcore Conservatives so I really don't have much of an agenda. I live in St Louis and 20 years ago I played hockey on ponds that haven't frozen enough for ducks to walk on in 10 years. Being RESPONSIBLE with our natural resources is a good idea, and we have the ability to develop technologies to go clean and go fast. people in the late 70's thought performance was dead..........look at the LS6!!!! Technology is moving fast. Wouldn't it be nice to have a performance vehicle that you didn't have to pay terrorist supporting governments to drive?


-T

peace y'all

quote Originally posted by ryan.hess: If that were true, Mercury would be the planet with the hottest average temperature. Instead, Venus, at over 2x the distance from the sun, holds that record. By all accounts, if we had the same atmosphere composition, our average temperature would be 100F - which means Arizona in summer would probably get hot enough to boil water.

Venus is hotter than Mercury because it has an atmosphere. Not only that, but the pressure at the surface is NINETY (90) times that of Earth's. THAT'S the primary reason why Venus is so hot (900dF or 480dC). I saw a statistic that said the Earth's mean temperature, if in Venus' orbit, would be 126dC (did you mean 100dC?). Earth's currently accepted mean temperature is 59dF.

I usually stay pretty open minded about things like this, but one thing is really bothering me here. There is plenty of information to support global warming and our affect on it as humans. There is also plenty of information supporting the fact that we dont have as much impact on the climate as we may think we do. You can believe what you want, you may want to become more environmentally friendly to make an impact, doesnt mean its going to happen. I personally reduced the amount of gas and power I use to lower my expenses, not because I think Im going to save the universe. But in the end, NOBODY can predict what the environment is going to do. I hate being taxed and charged more based on the ASSUMPTION that one side is right. If we are heading one direction as far as temperature changes, that does not mean it will keep going that way. We can only see so far into the future and a sudden disaster is just that- sudden. Prove to me beyond REASONABLE DOUBT that I have to change my lifestyle and give someone money to "protect the environment" and then I may appreciate the fact that so much time and effort has been put into this. Other than that, give me my money back Al Gore..........

-JOE

quote Originally posted by joesfiero: I personally reduced the amount of gas and power I use to lower my expenses, not because I think Im going to save the universe.-JOE

LOL, Im in the same boat. I bought a hybrid for the 70MPG to save money on gas. Its just a diffrent "green" than what you think when you hear hybrid. I bought all CFL lights to save cash on my electric bill, same with my water habits. I do look for ways to save the planet, just recently started recycling in a big way, but im not going to lie, my main motovator is saving cash. Thats not to say I would burn plastic to save cash on heating or anything though.

quote Originally posted by Puckhead: I live in St Louis and 20 years ago I played hockey on ponds that haven't frozen enough for ducks to walk on in 10 years. Being RESPONSIBLE with our natural resources is a good idea, and we have the ability to develop technologies to go clean and go fast. people in the late 70's thought performance was dead..........look at the LS6!!!! Technology is moving fast. Wouldn't it be nice to have a performance vehicle that you didn't have to pay terrorist supporting governments to drive?

There is no doubt at all that earth has been going through a warm cycle. There is also no doubt that we are headed for a cooling cycle. It has been going this way for millenniums. Remember that all that oil in Arabia used to be vegitation. There was once dense cloud cover and a green house effect that brought that vegetation into the Arctic Circle.

The point I keep making is that humans have sweet diddly to do with it. The sun and our core regulate the whole thing. The best that scientists can document is that humans affect 0.6% at the very most for all 5 billion of us.

I can remember colder, much colder and snowier winters and some really vicious storms in the 1950's. But, if you read your science you'll see that Global Warming peaked 2 years ago, and we've been sliding back cooler ever since.

Maybe we'll have pond hockey again

Arn