A lot of my friends are voting democrat regardless of who it is just because its become the cool thing to do, and I think the statements that were made about the african americans voting for obama, and older women voting for clinton are right on the money for the same reason I stated above, not enough people make their own opinion, its easier to let someone else decide for you.
I'm still thinking that if things keep going the way they are, with the lackluster candidates, that Al Gore may see his chance to take it from everyone. Not saying I'd vote for him but just making an observation not mentioned
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Posts: 9115 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
Romney seems to have the best track record as far as running things successfully and working with others to reach compromises.
As far as flip-flopping, it's refreshing to see someone admit that he has changed his mind, has valid reasons for doing so and takes responsibility for the change.
Who wants a leader that doesn't learn from experience or is inflexible in their views.
As far as religious beliefs, the man has strong ethical and moral convictions, good qualities for leadership. If a candidate is Jewish, or Baptist, or agnostic, does that disqualify him or her? Our nation was partially founded as a haven from religious intolerance, thats why it's mentioned in the First Amendment - it was very important to the Founders.
The big thing is that he has experience in running things and acheiving success - something none of the other candidates can boast.
And anyone with ties to Congress scares the heck out of me!
Mark Twain once wrote that,"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
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Originally posted by olejoedad: Romney seems to have the best track record as far as running things successfully and working with others to reach compromises. As far as flip-flopping, it's refreshing to see someone admit that he has changed his mind, has valid reasons for doing so and takes responsibility for the change. JMHO
Although I am still undecided on which conservative I'll support, I watched one of the Sunday morning news magazines, (can't remember the name) and Romney was being interviewed. He did give a very good showing IMO. Edwards was also interviewed today, I wasn't as impressed with his showing but, I'd take him over Hillary anyday.
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It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
Back on topic, here are some live odds (as of 12/16):
Hillary Clinton 1-3 John McCain 25-1 Rudy Giuliani 3-1 Mitt Romney 8-1 Mike Huckabee 10-1 John Edwards 18-1 Barack Obama 4-1 Ron Paul 12-1 Fred Thompson 25-1 Al Gore 5-1 Michael Bloomberg 20-1
I deleted the 100-1 shots like Tancredo
Note: These are for the winner of the ACTUAL RACE, not the nominees. Looks like Hillary is the supposed shoe in. It's interesting that Al Gore has better odds than most, and he's not even running!
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An interesting aspect about Ron Paul that a LOT of people aren't considering is, that while he's breaking these fund raising records, most of the donations are small amounts, (they average 50 bucks per according to a few articles I've read) coming from hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of supporters. Not gigantic donations coming in from dozens or maybe even hundreds of more wealthy donors. (as is generally the case with most of the other candidates) This tells me that while he's being mostly ignored by the mainstream media, the majority of the population definitely knows who he is now, and are not just voicing their opinions, but are proclaiming it with their hard earned dollars. And you have to know that for every person who is actually giving money, there are probably 2 or 3 who aren't actually donating dollars, but still believe in his message, and will vote for him if given the opportunity. 12-1 odds? I wouldn't count on it. Not of the Republican party is actually paying attention to the apparent desires of their voting public.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
An interesting aspect about Ron Paul that a LOT of people aren't considering is, that while he's breaking these fund raising records, most of the donations are small amounts, (they average 50 bucks per according to a few articles I've read) coming from hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of supporters. Not gigantic donations coming in from dozens or maybe even hundreds of more wealthy donors. (as is generally the case with most of the other candidates) This tells me that while he's being mostly ignored by the mainstream media, the majority of the population definitely knows who he is now, and are not just voicing their opinions, but are proclaiming it with their hard earned dollars. And you have to know that for every person who is actually giving money, there are probably 2 or 3 who aren't actually donating dollars, but still believe in his message, and will vote for him if given the opportunity. 12-1 odds? I wouldn't count on it. Not of the Republican party is actually paying attention to the apparent desires of their voting public.
The same thing was said about Howard Dean in 2003. How did that turn out? In two years, RonPaul will be a retired politician, writing essays on the internets that no one will read.
Well, it could be argued that the Dems ignored the signs. If you notice, the Dems didn't win the 2004 election. Maybe the Republicans will be smarter about it.
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Here's what the Huckabee forums have to say about Tea Party '07:
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Fellow children of God, through reliable sources, I understand that the Fag sympathizer, Ron Paul, and his group of buffoons have declared war on Mike Huckabee today. They are planning some sort of bomb. I don't know where they plan on attacking us ... campaign Headquarters, Mike's huge luxorious mansion, or someplace else. But there is definitely a BOMB involved.
One hour later and some actual thought put into it:
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Apparently, it is some sort of money bomb. What they are trying to do is to tempt us into donating, which is a sin.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
Whats up with the tea party? Where was the zeppelin? Can't RonPaul change the weather? Can't he change the constitution? Do I get a bag of Cheetos if I put a sign in my yard? Are Ron Paul dollars being counted?
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Whats up with the tea party? Where was the zeppelin? Can't RonPaul change the weather? Can't he change the constitution? Do I get a bag of Cheetos if I put a sign in my yard?
LOL Of course. This is the same tactic being used by all of those who are afraid of him. Can't actually find anything legitimate to complain about, so let's resort to cynicism, sarcasm, and irrelevant deflection to avoid his legitimacy. Too bad those tactics are so transparent and only serve to make the issuer look foolish.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
LOL Of course. This is the same tactic being used by all of those who are afraid of him. Can't actually find anything legitimate to complain about, so let's resort to cynicism, sarcasm, and irrelevant deflection to avoid his legitimacy. Too bad those tactics are so transparent and only serve to make the issuer look foolish.
Lighten up, dude. I'm voting for RonPaul. But I know it's a lost cause, so I'm having fun with it. Banner on RonPaul Blimp: Who is Ron Paul Terrible grade B- movie: Who is Corky Romano? Are you gonna cry when its over? I'm not. At least Dubya will be gone.
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Heard on the radio today that Joe Lieberman, former Dem, now a Independent has just thrown his support to John McCain. I find that interesting. I don't think it'll do much good but, it is interesting.
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It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 33118 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Originally posted by blackrams: OK, I'm not throwing darts here but, I'll put ten bucks down that Mr. Paul never wins a single Primary.
After closely observing Mr. Paul's performance on Tim Russert's Meet the Press this morning, I can only say Wow.
Let's make that twenty bucks.
------------------ Ron
It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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Fastback 86 Member
Posts: 7849 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Sep 2003
Paul's best shot is to pull a Perot and steal a lot of votes from the other candidates.
In other news, given Giuliani's free-falling poll numbers, I may have to change my prediction for the Republican ticket. I'm gonna go with Romney/Thompson now. Hillary/Obama still wins, though I'd prefer Edwards.
Originally posted by blackrams: After closely observing Mr. Paul's performance on Tim Russert's Meet the Press this morning, I can only say Wow. Let's make that twenty bucks.
That whole "interview" was setup to smear Paul. His ambush tactics are rather annoying anyway, I'd rather watch Bill Oreilly.
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Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Paul's best shot is to pull a Perot and steal a lot of votes from the other candidates.
In other news, given Giuliani's free-falling poll numbers, I may have to change my prediction for the Republican ticket. I'm gonna go with Romney/Thompson now. Hillary/Obama still wins, though I'd prefer Edwards.
If I was putting money down today, for the Republicans, I'd have to go with Romney or McCain and Obama or Hillary for the Dems. As I've stated in many threads, just about anyone besides Hillary but, I'm thinking Obama is going to edge her out. I don't think either one can win or would make a good President but, that's what makes the world go round and round. Kind of dizzying isn't it?
The race will have many changes, I posted this just the other day and now, I've changed my mind on that:
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Originally posted by blackrams: Heard on the radio today that Joe Lieberman, former Dem, now a Independent has just thrown his support to John McCain. I find that interesting. I don't think it'll do much good but, it is interesting.
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It's the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us the freedom of the press. It's the Soldier, not the poet, Who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the Soldier, not the politicians That ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It's the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag.
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