San Fransisco, that liberal baistan that makes Hillary Clinton look conservative, is at it again.... giving IDs to illegals.....
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - San Francisco will give resident identification cards to illegal immigrants under a plan approved on Tuesday amid a fierce nationwide debate on granting privileges to undocumented aliens.

In a 10-1 vote, the city's board of supervisors -- the equivalent of a city council -- approved giving identification cards to all residents, including illegal immigrants. The move makes San Francisco the largest U.S. city to back such a plan.

Residents will be able to obtain the resident cards by presenting photo identification and proof they live in the city, such as a utility bill. It was unclear if the new cards, which will be accepted at libraries and health clinics, will carry photos.

Such a move had been expected from San Francisco, which is famously liberal. Earlier this year, Mayor Gavin Newsom said he would not allow city officials and employees to assist immigration raids by federal authorities seeking up people who had committed crimes or disregarded deportation orders.

San Francisco, which declared itself a "sanctuary city" in 1989, also this year launched a program to provide medical care to uninsured residents regardless of their immigration status.

At the state level, California's Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has vetoed bills that would allow undocumented aliens to obtain state identification cards, including driver's licenses.

By contrast, New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, a Democrat, proposed giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses. But he was forced to drop the plan last week due to overwhelming opposition, even from presidential candidates from his own party like Hillary Clinton

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I've lived in California all my life. I live about a 1/2 hour south of San Francisco and will tell you that this state is a joke!!! Everything in California is controlled by a bunch of idiots.....smog control on vehicles, illegal immigrants, gay marriage, gas prices. It is illegal to work in California without some legal paperwork. Right off the main highway, there used to be day-laborers waiting to be picked up for work....this is illegal in San Mateo. It got so bad that my city posted a new sign stating that the day workers have been asked to move to 5th Ave ..... WTF !!!! NOW MY TOWN IS DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO THEIR DIRECTION AND ACTUALLY HELPING THE ILLEGALS. California is pretty much the laughing stock of the U.S. and San Francisco has always been run by the usual Haight/Ashbury potheads that think you SHOULD be able to do anything in San Francisco....just to create controversy and always keep S.F in the news.

"Earlier this year, Mayor Gavin Newsom said he would not allow city officials and employees to assist immigration raids by federal authorities seeking up people who had committed crimes or disregarded deportation orders"

err...isn't that illegal? obstruction of justice?

I wonder is it possible to force San Francisco to succeed from the Union? I wonder how they would pay for all their Social Programs if all Federal and State Aide were cut off? It's a thought.

It won't be long before San Francisco is flying a Mexican Flag so why not let Mexico support them?

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its funny what civilized people do when they've been civilized so long they forgot why civilization is setup the way it is.....

Sounds like a GREAT idea! Give all illegals ID cards, then have 'em all go to some place to "activate it" (I'm thinkin' a nice, big barge) then shove off, and drive it to cuba.

The scary thing is how many barges you'd need....maybe we would need to build a few new ones...hmmm, where can we find some cheap labor?

No way to clearly identify what policies are truely "good" for a country.

When politicians get too far away from what the public wants, the public lets 'em know with votes...problem is, what do we want? and how many of us vote?

quote Originally posted by IMSA GT: It is illegal to work in California without some legal paperwork. Right off the main highway, there used to be day-laborers waiting to be picked up for work....this is illegal in San Mateo. It got so bad that my city posted a new sign stating that the day workers have been asked to move to 5th Ave ..... WTF !!!! NOW MY TOWN IS DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO THEIR DIRECTION AND ACTUALLY HELPING THE ILLEGALS.

Yeah, I noticed that too. With ID cars given out to illegal aliens, drivers license will be next. I hope Gov. Terminator stops it before the flood gates are opened.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Yeah, I noticed that too. With ID cars given out to illegal aliens, drivers license will be next. I hope Gov. Terminator stops it before the flood gates are opened.

Yup, it will end up with motor voter registration too. That is the plan.

Must need ID to get into the bathhouses there! heheh next it will be illegal alien gay rights!

Viva la reconquista! It looks like their plan is working.

SF doing something fuggheaded. Surprise coefficient: 0.00000...0

Ed

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: next it will be illegal alien gay rights!

Probably right. After that, they'll be looking for same-immigration-status marriages. lol

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I suppose I'm missing why it's a bad thing to keep track of Illegal aliens? There are lots of lawbreakers walking the streets for arguably worse offenses then immigration violations. I'm comforted knowing that police have some information about the whereabouts of as many of them as possible. Now, if my stereo gets nicked, there might be a chance of finding the bstard. Just a thought.

Soon (within 25 yrs) Canada, US and Mexico will be one country.

VERY good point, there. Better to know where they are,and what they are doing,than sticking your head in the sand and hoping they will go away It could be a 'temporary ' status
ID, with limited 'Rights' associated to it. With a term of, say, 5 years duration. Once those 5 years are up,and the holder has 'behaved' and supported themselves, grant them full status. Once the system was accepted, and there was a time limit to apply for it, anybody NOT having ID could be deported, on the spot, with NO appeal rights. You can NEVE get rid of more than a smallproportion of Illegals under the current system, just be stopping people in the streets and asking for ID. Put the onus on THEM to be responsible. When they don´t comply, kick them straight out, family and all,if that is the case. make it easy for the 'legitimate' illegals,and impossible for the 'non-legitimate' to gain some form of registration. then they can't complain when they are caught, and slung out of the country.
Nick

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I suppose I'm missing why it's a bad thing to keep track of Illegal aliens? There are lots of lawbreakers walking the streets for arguably worse offenses then immigration violations. I'm comforted knowing that police have some information about the whereabouts of as many of them as possible. Now, if my stereo gets nicked, there might be a chance of finding the bstard. Just a thought.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Better to know where they are,and what they are doing,than sticking your head in the sand and hoping they will go away ...

They are here illegally and they are gonna tell the truth about where they can be found, ?
Funny, my American ID works in Mexico. As does my debit card.

That's my whole point, Cliff. Give them the opportunity to freely and willingly declare who they are, and register that ID.THEN, when you catch somebody who HASN´T taken that offer of freely admitting who and where they are, there is adequate, irrefutable justification to throw them out there and then. No excuses. ' Sir/Madam, you were offered a 12 month amnesty to freely register your ID.you haven´t even tried. No arguments or defense...you are OUT!'' Goodbye'. Easy for BOTH sides to settle the problem.IWHT?
Nick

Not interested in giving amnesty! we will not reward law breakers, their are millions trying to follow the rules and the LAW to enter this country! Sorry very bad idea and was overwhelmingly rejected by the American people.

I'm immediately writing my local, state and federal representatives to pass bills at their level making ANY San Francisco ID invalid for the purpose of ANYTHING in their jurisdictions. SFO wants to play rough? Bend over you idiots. You just devalued every other form of ID you have and you're going to learn that the hard way.

Oh, oh. Isn't it a feloney to be hear illegally?


http://www.kron.com/global/Story.asp?s=8612884
SF Mayor Changes Shield Policy
Posted: July 2, 2008 04:11 PM

SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) -San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom is making it clear that illegal immigrants who commit felonies will not be shielded in the city.
The mayor says SF's sanctuary city policy will not be used to protect criminals. Instead, Newsom says that regardless of the criminal's age, the city will cooperate with the federal government on felony cases.
"There needs to be a similar policy with adults as well as our children. We cannot distinguish one versus the other as it relates to coming in, breaking the law, committing a felony and not having similar consequences," said Mayor Newsom in a press conference Wednesday.
This means that even a juvenile convicted of a felony could be deported.

Well its a start. (to quote Dr. Evil.)

To bad San Fran doesn't just eliminate the "sanctuary city" business and turn them all in.

I have no problem with Immigration as long as they follow the laws of the land and ENTER LEGALLY.

We can't according to MEXICAN law enter Mexico illegally, why in the hell do we allow them in illegally?

quote Originally posted by InTheLead: Soon (within 25 yrs) Canada, US and Mexico will be one country.

pfft, i hope not, if the states keep this stupid crap up, im seriously concidering moving to canada.

we give drivers license to illegals in MD... even dumber then just giving them an ID.
if you walk into the beltsville DMV, it is honestly 80-90% mexican/africans.
(i dont mean african americans, i mean the ones that are probly here illegaly and can barely if at all speak english)

I still say cut off all supporting funds from state and federal entities for places like SF. Move all federal and state agencies just outside of their jurisdiction. They want to make make their own rules, fine, let me pay their own way, pave their own streets, totally pay for their own police and fire protection. Oh yes and the federal or state government should claim imminent domain on those ports and the roads leading to and from them. Cut them off totally.

Just my opinion, BTW, I'm not currently running for any political office but would consider so if you want to donate to my campaign fund.
Ron

quote Originally posted by blackrams: I still say cut off all supporting funds from state and federal entities for places like SF. Move all federal and state agencies just outside of their jurisdiction. They want to make make their own rules, fine, let me pay their own way, pave their own streets, totally pay for their own police and fire protection. Oh yes and the federal or state government should claim imminent domain on those ports and the roads leading to and from them. Cut them off totally. Just my opinion, BTW, I'm not currently running for any political office but would consider so if you want to donate to my campaign fund. Ron

That's what I'm wondering...why can't the federal government take action against the city? Send in the army or something, shut this bullshit down.

How long is going to take before people realise that being an illegal imagrant/alien is actually um ILLEGAL ! Jesus f%cking Christ people does it take a f$cking boot to the skull for them to realise anything? These people are going to be elligable for health care ! WTF. So now san fransicans(californians ,Americans) are going to have to foot the bill for all these illegal "laborers" when they get hurt on or off the job? This is just outrageous. Im going to move to san fran denounce my American citizenship and become illegal so i can mooch off the government and be a total drain on society. Then im going to start mowing f%ckers down and walk around with out a care in the world because no one knows who the h3ll i am.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Such a move had been expected from San Francisco, which is famously liberal. Earlier this year, Mayor Gavin Newsom said he would not allow city officials and employees to assist immigration raids by federal authorities seeking up people who had committed crimes or disregarded deportation orders.

This has to be the most disturbing part of the whole article. How can you not assist your own government agencies when they are trying to capture criminals? If they where ordered to be deported then how come they are still here? If a cop tells me to get in the back of his patrol car and i don't i get ruffed up hand-cuffed and thrown in the back. How come these illegals get a choice on weather they obey the law or not? This country needs another revolution!

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well - however ya feel about it - ID is just short for "identification". it doesn't give any rights or privledges - it is just a card which says "hello, my name is...."

it means NOTHING. especially if noone else honors the ID. as far as I know - the only valid ID to buy beer is STATE ID. its just SF doing what it does best: jack off.

I have to agree with just about everybody else. Illegal immigrants have to go. I understand that most of us (except for the Native Americans/Indians) came from an immigrant background (myself included). I'm 100% for immigration. Legal immigration. I say, send all illegal immigrants back to whatever country they're from and let them start all over the proper way. My sister came into this country when she was 6 months old (from Korea). She was legally adopted. But...she still had to become naturalized. I'll bet even Branjelinas kids have the correct paperwork. Legal immigration is a wonderful thing. If nothing else, the more people that pay taxes, the less I have to pay (theoretically).

IDs to illegals. Bah! Find 'em, ship 'em out. Period.

InTHe Lead.................
I agree with you except I wouldn't include Canada.
Have you ever seen a young Mexican couple with less than 4 kids,
When I got married { 1961} the world was talking about having two kids, replacing ourselves.
The Mexican mind set is take over with numbers.and they will do so.
Ask me how I know?
I have them living on both sides of me. I speak to the couple that bought the house {not legal} but the rest meet you with a blank stare like WTF are you doing here.
Lots of anchor babies..Mostly fat blond women who rescued an illegal.
Do I sound angry? I guess I am. Tired of the loud music and beer cans.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: well - however ya feel about it - ID is just short for "identification". it doesn't give any rights or privledges - it is just a card which says "hello, my name is...." it means NOTHING. especially if noone else honors the ID. as far as I know - the only valid ID to buy beer is STATE ID. its just SF doing what it does best: jack off.

Who is paying for this? Who's footing the bill for the ID cards ,the machines to print them up ? Who's paying the salary of the people distribute the id's and doing all the paperwork on these illegal residents? They are getting a very good privaledge. The privaledge to live and work in the USA TAX FREE ! I wish i could work here tax free. Thats like another 8 grand in my pocket easy! I still think recognizing these people and being ok with thier imagration status is a very bad idea.

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quote Originally posted by never2old: <snip> ...Mostly fat blond women who rescued an illegal. Do I sound angry? I guess I am. Tired of the loud music and beer cans.

sounds familear....
Tupac & 40's....
hmpf.....
but, boy them arabs sure are a nice respectuful bunch, eh?
dont hear much about these illegals. but they do come in thru Mexico & Canada.....

Glenn Beck: Vote San Fran out

GLENN: I think we should look at a map today and decide what's in and what's out. No, no. No, no, I know it's July 4th weekend and everything, but let's have our own Constitutional Convention, shall we? I mean, everybody else is changing everything. Right now San Francisco is sending drug-dealing illegal aliens on a free trip home. Now, normally I'd be for that. However, they're doing it to avoid federal prosecution. The cops will pick up these crack-dealing illegal aliens, they'll go in and they'll go into juvenile court because Honduras is sending all these kids to deal crack in San Francisco. I think, you know, the city council, to come up with the stuff they've done, they need a lot of crack. So Honduras is sending these crack dealers to San Francisco, and San Francisco, in the goodness of their heart, they say, gosh, they're busted for selling dope on the street, then they'll never become citizens. Good! Isn't that a good thing? How did this happen? When did San Francisco go completely insane?

Now, I know it's been a very long time. I'm just wondering has it always been that -- maybe there's a fissure somewhere and, like, weird gas is seeping out and everybody in San Francisco is just breathing it and they don't smell it. It's like natural gas. You don't really smell it and you're like, I'm getting sleepy. And instead of getting sleepy, they just go nuts. I mean, they don't support the ROTC, they go against everything that our country stands for. They are constantly trying to turn us into a socialist state. Why don't you just become your own country, San Francisco? I mean it. I'm serious. I'd come visit ya. It would be great. No, seriously it would. Be like, oh. You know, I never went to the old Soviet Union. Wouldn't it be great to be able to go to San Francisco where everybody could live in misery? You could just visit? You could, like, "Hmmm, this system doesn't really seem to work." I mean, the only reason why San Francisco is standing is because they're on the teat of everybody else. The only reason why they're secure is because they have the army, but they don't support it. So why don't we just vote them out. Can't we do that, please, please? Stu, please will you give me permission? Please?

quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: Who is paying for this? Who's footing the bill for the ID cards ,the machines to print them up ? Who's paying the salary of the people distribute the id's and doing all the paperwork on these illegal residents? They are getting a very good privaledge. The privaledge to live and work in the USA TAX FREE ! I wish i could work here tax free. Thats like another 8 grand in my pocket easy! I still think recognizing these people and being ok with thier imagration status is a very bad idea.

lets see, city ID - I would expect the city tax payers. the ones who voted the guys in who decided to do this.
and, I do not see how a city ID gets you tax-free status. it is one step above school ID, and a library card.

you can in fact work here tax free. do it exactly as the illegals do. no reason you cant.

its a city ID - it has no meaning. no beer store in the land will let you buy beer with that.

we all agree it is stupid. but - I dont see the harm. the voters of the city choose these people. the elected officials are doing what is wanted of them. this is how democracy works. fear not - it carries no wieght whatsoever outside the city.

and lastly - did anyone check to see if this was for real?? lol

Tomorrow I will accompany my girl friend to the Nation Mall and watch as she is sworn in as an American citizen. Almost a decade after coming here and doing every thing by the book.

Remember, folks, this was brought to you by *liberals*. If you vote liberal, THIS is what you're going to get. Nancy Pelosi is a San Francisco liberal, just like Gavin Newsom. Barak Obama is very liberal. Don't want bullshit like this? Then DON'T VOTE LIBERAL.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Tomorrow I will accompany my girl friend to the Nation Mall and watch as she is sworn in as an American citizen. Almost a decade after coming here and doing every thing by the book.

Congratulatons to you and your girl.

Take Pics and please share with us. It'll be a great event.

Ron

And that is whats wrong with illegals. Legals have a hell of a time getting into this country and these illegal jack@ss can just break the law and live here tax free. Should be a man hunt then about 10yrs forced hard labor, then exported back to mexico.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Tomorrow I will accompany my girl friend to the Nation Mall and watch as she is sworn in as an American citizen. Almost a decade after coming here and doing every thing by the book.

Congrats x 2

It's nice to see some still do it the right way.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: well - however ya feel about it - ID is just short for "identification". it doesn't give any rights or privledges - it is just a card which says "hello, my name is...." it means NOTHING. especially if noone else honors the ID. as far as I know - the only valid ID to buy beer is STATE ID. its just SF doing what it does best: jack off.

And if they are here illegally how do you know they are who they say they are to begin with?

Identification DOES mean something. It means you ARE who the document SAYS you are. And based on that you can get a Driver License, Open Banks Accounts, Register to vote!

B A D I D E A !!!!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: And if they are here illegally how do you know they are who they say they are to begin with? Identification DOES mean something. It means you ARE who the document SAYS you are. And based on that you can get a Driver License, Open Banks Accounts, Register to vote! B A D I D E A !!!!

it is city ID
not state ID
yes - bad idea - but surely carries no weight - doubtful you could get a drivers license with library card - and this ID is no more valid than a library card.
and, if a bank wants to open accounts based on that - that is their business. bad business - but their own.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: it is city ID not state ID yes - bad idea - but surely carries no weight - doubtful you could get a drivers license with library card - and this ID is no more valid than a library card. and, if a bank wants to open accounts based on that - that is their business. bad business - but their own.

But it is MY business if my tax dollars are wasted on something that is, as you say, "no more valid than a library card".

But regrettably, it isn't. It is more valuable. It lends credibility to those who SHOULD be in jail awaiting deportation.

Seriously, WHAT is the upside of this ridiculous idea? What possible gain could there be? I can think of only one...votes! It's ALL political.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: But it is MY business if my tax dollars are wasted on something that is, as you say, "no more valid than a library card". But regrettably, it isn't. It is more valuable. It lends credibility to those who SHOULD be in jail awaiting deportation. Seriously, WHAT is the upside of this ridiculous idea? What possible gain could there be? I can think of only one...votes! It's ALL political.

only if you are paying that cities taxes. and if so - you were probably a voter for those who instituted this silliness. democracy.
I agree it is dumb. it is useless. you cant even get into an R rated movie with one of these things. STATE ID. san fran is NOT a state.