After years of proclaiming himself an "independent", even though he was a registered republican for many of those years, Bill "Fair and Balanced™" Oreilly has stated what has always been obvious to almost everyone who watches his show on FOX.
Papa Bear came on the Factor last night and displayed guts rarely seen on national TV, coming out, no holds barred, to "the Folks™" :

"I think there is some basic racism on the Right," admitted Bill, "We don't like Latinos..."

"WE don't like Latinos." Ahem.

And further, he admitted that he is "on the Right."

The communal "We" declared loud and clear that Bill is no longer an Independent.
As if there really was ever any doubt.
Fair and balanced? Hardly.
Even Comedy Centrals Jon Stewart is MORE "fair and balanced" than Bill O'redneck.
Of course he'll deny ever having said that. Just as he has dened ever telling a guest to shut up.
But its on tape.
Sorry, Bill.
You outed yourself. You have been publicly shown to be dishonest.
Once again.
The Oreilly Factor.
The number one rated show on the FOX "news" network.
Sigh.

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Can I get some context?

And since when is being independant and on the right at the same time not possible? I'm indy with right leaning tendencies? But when Bill says indy he means between dems and reps. I'm indy and registered rep so I can vote in early elections something indy voters can't do in some places.


And your redneck quip was pretty low. Whats so bad about being a redneck? Come on out with it. Tell me your stupid prejudges about rednecks so I can destroy your BS notions.

In your haste to demonize a person you hate for what ever retarded reason you've shown your self to be a biased ass.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Can I get some context? And your redneck quip was pretty low. Whats so bad about being a redneck? Come on out with it. Tell me your stupid prejudges [SIC]about rednecks so I can destroy your BS notions. In your haste to demonize a person you hate for what ever retarded reason you've shown your self to be a biased ass.

I NEVER claimed to be fair and balanced.
I am honest about my opinions.
See the difference?

That was pretty obvious by your saying John Stewart is fair and balanced.

But then again, neither proclaim to be hard journalists anymore. One does opinion, the other does satire.

quote Originally posted by Uaana: That was pretty obvious by your saying John Stewart is fair and balanced. But then again, neither proclaim to be hard journalists anymore. One does opinion, the other does satire.

1] I never claimed that Jon Stewart was fair and balanced. Nor does he. He is obviously doing satire.
On the COMEDY CHANNEL.

2] "Now in its tenth year on the air, "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News Channel remains the dominant number one cable news program in the USA." http://www.billoreilly.com/.../general/billbio.jsp
Oreilly claims to be doing news. His words, not mine.

"Bill O'Reilly has won a bevy of journalism awards including two Emmy's"
Excuse me, but Emmy's are NOT journalism awards.
Why can't the star of the self proclaimed "dominant number one news program" be honest about who and what he is all about?

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Erll hell... I duess I'll eat worms and die... Damn... it aint workin... ,make a law please?

Like I care about Bill O'reilly. Never really liked him and don't watch his show.

But I'm also not considered Right nor Conservative.

I guess the left consider him the face of the right, so there you go.

Although I believe the left are sheeple much more than the right or conservatives are. Bill O'Reilly speaks his mind, but the left when spoken to by their peoples, they just respond "How High!"

Oh well. Politics as usual.

It's politics like this that are tearing this country apart at the seams. I remember when Democrats and Republicans could, not easily, but, could, find some common ground and come to an agreement that would be good for the country. Not everyone would like it, no, but, it would move the country forward.

Now, if you're a Democrat, anything the Republicans do is bad for the country, and vice-versa.

It's a pain in the ass really.

As for Bill O'Reilly's political leanings, I don't think it was a secret to anyone that he leaned to the right, so, this isn't shocking news here.

I also agree that the "redneck" comment was low. "Redneck" somehow has been bastardized into being some low IQ idiot who wouldn't know his butt from a hole in the ground, when it couldn't be farther from the truth. Being a true redneck is to be a person who works outside, such as a farmer, a very esteemed, if low-paying, job. It's the rednecks who built this country, staying outside and laying rail, paving roads, farming the soil. Show some respect.

I'm a bit conservative myself. I kind of like Latino's Hispanics. I don't like illegal aliens the majority of which just happen to be Latino/Hispanics.

That said, this concerns/effects anyone how? Not too long ago, the TV show Home Improvement had a lot more viewers than O'Reily. To me they're are the same thing..........entertainment. Limbaugh is also the same type of thing. If you think they are "news" reporters, you're not paying attention. They entertain and express a very definite opinion. I've watched O'Reily maybe a dozen times in my life and I don't particularly find him entertaining, so I don't watch him (the rare exception being if he has a guest on I'd like to see). Pretty much the same with Limbaugh, who I used to listen to a whole lot.

Now I'm more likely when listening to talk/opinion to listen to Dave Ramsey. At least he gives GOOD opinions.

If fascinates me that you find this interesting, Neptune. If I wanted to, I could be making the same posts you do about Rosie OD and Al Franken and Bill Mahr. But I don't, because they're entertainment and they don't affect my life int he least. You yell so loud about O'Reily and others being on the air, but I never hear you screaming about my buddy Bill. His show is on HBO darn near every night with 2-4 liberals on his side and maybe, maybe one conservative who they rarely let speak. That's not exactly fair and balanced either. No screaming about Rosie from you when she says our soldiers are terrorists. Nope. You reserve your criticism for only one side.

BTW--Have they found found Tom DeLay guilty of anything yet? No? Yet he's resigned. Gone. Sen. Clinton under reports by $700,000 campaign donations for ONE EVENT, her Campaign Treasurer committed perjury, and he gets to pay a $35,000 civil fine to the FEC and go on his merry way. Where is your outrage about this, Neptune?

Hypocrisy lives on both sides of the aisle.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I NEVER claimed to be fair and balanced. I am honest about my opinions. See the difference?

everyone is "on the right" if asked the right way
same goes for left, same goes for indi. it is nothing but a very very very very very very very.......


.........very very very rough basis of opinion. not even fact - opinion. and, everyone stands right/indi/left differently on different things. in what's been posted as the example, the dude in question stands on the right on the issue of latino's. yay. yippie.

you will not find one person who is "all right" or "all left"

this "box" you political maniacs have created is stupid. wtf does it matter if some commentator is 'left' or 'right'? fair and balanced? we are speaking about human beings, I think everyone already knows the answer. impartial. horsepucky. there is no such thing. even if something is stated impartially, someone else will read opinion into it anyways. just word choice will send someone into a frenzy. a good example is right here: the use of the words "left" and "right". they have implications now. green. black. red. yellow. white. these colors all have baggage now because of political maniacs. constantly trying to "box" people. saying "these people are XXX".

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I NEVER claimed to be fair and balanced. I am honest about my opinions. See the difference?

You NEVER bothered to answer my questions either. That doesn't suprize me though. Its hard to lambast when your twisted misinformed opionion is called out and faced with facts.

So maybe you can tell me whats so bad about rednecks? Surely some one of your refined stature in his ivory tower that looks down his nose at the hard working can answer that. Or maybe you can tell me why you think a man who grew up in a middle class 'hood called Levittown on Long Island NY would count as a redneck? Is it his Ivy league education? Maybe its his life of white collar jobs?

Did you even see this or did you get from a leftist blog?

And you taking the time to "[sic]" my misspelling in a quote just shows how you lack a real counter. So instead you attack my grammer. It was in a quote any one who read would have known it was my mistake. Did it make you feel like a big man to point it out?

OK, you all are smart enough to pick up on the fact that Bill Oreilly is an entertainer, not a serious journalist.
Congratulations.
My point is, he CLAIMS to be a journalist. He CLAIMS to be not taking sides.
Lots of viewers are not as sharp as the average forum member, and actually believe he is giving them the straight truth.
My intention was not to insult any forum member, but ony to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the self proclaimed "number one highest rated news show on FOX "news."
The other examples you all threw at me do not make that claim.
Why cant Bill O. be honest about who he is?
By the way Phranc,I trap animals for a living. Sometimes they happen to be in ivory towers.
More often, they are underneath someones house.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: OK, you all are smart enough to pick up on the fact that Bill Oreilly is an entertainer, not a serious journalist. Congratulations. My point is, he CLAIMS to be a journalist. He CLAIMS to be not taking sides. Lots of viewers are not as sharp as the average forum member, and actually believe he is giving them the straight truth. My intention was not to insult any forum member, but ony to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the self proclaimed "number one highest rated news show on FOX "news." The other examples you all threw at me do not make that claim. Why cant Bill O. be honest about who he is? By the way, I trap animals for a living. Sometimes they happen to be in ivory towers. More often, they are underneath someones house.

there is no way that political stuff can be discussed WITHOUT taking sides - or at least sounding like you are taking sides. heck - i have even seen people fighting each other, and both on the SAME side, because they misunderstand what the other is saying. just little things like "perceieved attitude" will throw some folk into a tizzy. but, whatever - as long as you are happy with that dude putting himself into whatever imaginary box you like seeing him in....

there is NO impartial "news" person/journalist/whatever. cant be. everyone hears/sees things a little different. what may sound like a simple statement to one person, is a slam against someone else. I myself am pretty hard lined, harsh & on the right. but, when I speak, I speak with understanding, and many perceive that to be apologetic/left.

Did you know that you can be conservative or liberal but STILL an independant?!! Shocking, I know.

Idiocy that pervades society in thinking that liberal or conservative means Democrat and Republican is part of the problem that gets idiots elected into office.

REDNECK, (adj.) : "A complete and utter lack of sophistication." -- Jeff Foxworthy

Seems to me Bill O'reilly doesn't fit that description.

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quote Originally posted by jstricker: I'm a bit conservative myself. I kind of like Latino's Hispanics. I don't like illegal aliens the majority of which just happen to be Latino/Hispanics.

I'm more than a bit conservative. I'm very conservative. Not bragging or complaining. Just saying.

And I agree with J. Stricker. I LIKE Latino's, hispanics, mexicans, whatever. So I'm not sure where Bill O'Reilly gets off saying WE don't like latinos. But I don't watch O'Reilly. Is he on cable? I don't get cable.

Now I absolutely DESPISE criminal behavior, which is what illegal aliens are. But I don't care if the illegal aliens are latinos or iraqis or irish or canadians or whatever. You entered the country illegally. Get out. (and I don't despise illegal aliens. Just get out of our country if you got in illegally. If I go to Mexico and meet former illegal aliens, no problem. I will be very nice to you. If you are illegal in the U.S., I will still be nice to you, but you have to get out. Sorry. You are a criminal. I didn't make you a criminal. Nobody asked me what the laws should be. But that is what they are. Sorry. Get out.)

BUT, you don't get to say about me "I don't like latinos" because I don't like illegal activity.

THAT bothers me way more than Bill O'Reilly proclaiming himself on the right.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I NEVER claimed to be fair and balanced. I am honest about my opinions.

...but not about the facts.

Thanks for admitting what WE all knew all along.

As far as right wing demagogues go, Bill O'Reilly is at the bottom of the totem pole in my opinion. He's entertaining, but in a similar fashion to Anne Coulter. both of them used to be intelligent and witty and would own liberals with facts and knowledge. now they have become zealots and the very image of that which they were fighting against. they've replaced facts and statistics with rhetoric and ad hominem. i'll take Rush and Sean Hannity over them, although they aren't exactly saints either, but at least hannity can usually figure out when he needs to reel it in.

Yup and what about Dan Rather-commit fraud,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or any number of jackassed news anchors and a plethora of leftist shows, please.

I think the problem is the right is getting popular programing.
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ALL propoganda, all money driven, all based on what gets ratings and the publick yammering and clammering. It's like a freakshow where the freaks are not only in it but watching it and believeing it.


The "news" is pretty much 45% bullcrap interlaced with 15% of "why you should buy it" and people just eat it up in HUGE portions.

Mental lethargy in lethal doses then go talk to other mental midgets and viola! facts, it must be true! Baaahhhh... just Baaahhh...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEPTUNE:

OK, you all are smart enough to pick up on the fact that Bill Oreilly is an entertainer, not a serious journalist.
Congratulations.
My point is, he CLAIMS to be a journalist. He CLAIMS to be not taking sides.
Lots of viewers are not as sharp as the average forum member, and actually believe he is giving them the straight truth.
My intention was not to insult any forum member, but ony to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the self proclaimed "number one highest rated news show on FOX "news."
The other examples you all threw at me do not make that claim.
Why cant Bill O. be honest about who he is?
By the way Phranc,I trap animals for a living. Sometimes they happen to be in ivory towers.
More often, they are underneath someones house.

Obviously don't know what the F*** you're talking about...

quote Originally posted by Brint: By the way Phranc,I trap animals for a living. Sometimes they happen to be in ivory towers. More often, they are underneath someones house.

Famed trapper and PFF memmber Brint Truth trapped several wild beasts dispelling the myth that rats dont live in Ivory towers.. In other news....


Thats news I can relate to.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Famed trapper and PFF memmber Brint Truth trapped several wild beasts dispelling the myth that rats dont live in Ivory towers.. In other news.... Thats news I can relate to.

nah i think neptune is the trapper, brint just failed at quoting correctly

LOL
Proof that there is great truth in all things.

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Media is todays god.. Only Bill speaks the truth..

Grab some herb and listen to the gospel of Bill.

quote Originally posted by Uaana: Grab some herb and listen to the gospel of Bill.

Please do.. it seems as though it might do you some good to kill some brain cells. But then again jail might be a better option since you lack them. So roll the dice and lets see what ya get, either way you could not be more deserving a candidate.
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