Just got word my former GF is on her way to having her second! (NO not mine!) We're still very close but like siblings now. Thing is She's NOOOOO way ready for another right now and dont even have the money to have the child! She's going though really rough times right now and needs any advice she can get on aborting/miscarraging the child, Hate to say it and no I dont think its right, but sometimes it is. This kid just can't come into the world under her power. And right now shes got her hands full with a one year old! Shes 21 and has a lower end of So-So BF, living in a trailer, and is a lil partier! The first one sucked a ton of life out of her as is! If I wasn't backed up in bills right now I'd help her out. Other then the ol method of coat hangers (ecchh), Hot-Tubs, cat litter, pennyroyal tea, and acupreasure on the foot (which most might just cause birth defects). What other ways are there? I understand they have clinics for this but those cost $$$.

Theres a deadline as to when you can abort up to, what can be done at home to force a miscarrage? Feels weird typing this but the information that flys around here theres gotta be something. As hard as it is for me to type this, we need your help.

maybe she could find someone to adopt the baby?

I don't know any home 'remedies'.

Dj..she didn't get like that on her own.So who is the sperm donor? Don't take this upon yourself, my friend..it is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY!! Honestly, you could well regret it in ways you haven't even thought of.Backstreet abortions only amplify the problem, with serious repercussions for you BOTH, let alone the child that might well be born disfigured or permanently maimed, if it finally gets through all attempts to abort it. There are proper ,and controlled, ways of dealing with this..you are not qualified, just by being a caring friend.You MUST get professional help, in my opinion.Or rather, insist your friend gets the help, with your assistance if you feel you MUST get involved
Nick

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quote Originally posted by DjDraggin: I understand they have clinics for this but those cost $$$.

The whole point of having legal abortion clinics is to dramatically reduce the likelihood of potentially killing the woman during an abortion procedure. I wouldn't advise you to mess around with illegal practices or "home" remedies. The odds are not stacked in your favor for achieving the desired results.

Worst case scenario in this situation is a dead friend leaving behind a one year old motherless child.

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+1 For adoption and calling her an idiot. She has no family, and whats an abortion go for $600? Seriously, just put the child up for adoption. Plenty of loving families out there.

Normally I would agree with the adoption route, but the child would have a difficult beginning in life.It is so obvious the pregnancy is unwanted, and should the child be born, and she changes her mind, it will become a tug of war.Instinct often overcomes thought process, and she might end up being torn in two over mental and physical internal strife.This is something that MUST be dealt with in a controlled and supervised process.Just my opinion, I know, but I think it might be worth stating, so I have.
Nick

DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?"

I want my neg now. I deserve it for disagreeing with you.

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http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-1020.191-en.html

no better way to start the day than a botched coathanger abortion... mmm....


Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortifacient

Eric,

For your own sake don't get involved. From a personal experience my wife had a abortion when we first started dating, we were 16 at the time and she got pregnant. At the time it was the best thing for us, but as time has gone by I have regretted it more times than I can recount.

It is her decision, as hard as I know it is for you, try to avoid getting involved, you will regret it later. You will start wondering what the baby would have been like, girl/boy, etc.

If you do get involved do it quickly. I believe there are some drugs out there that are made to cause a miscarrages. I really don't know much about them thou.

Good Luck with your decision.

Earl

I say think about the adoption route , if it is an option for you. In my local newspapers , there are always ads for family's willing to adopt. I'm sure it's like that everywhere.

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quote Originally posted by RACE: DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?"

I agree The fact of someone researching ideas on how to do this and listing off ways to do birth defects,etc is beyond comprehension.

Has she never heard of birth control? No matter what age, its still murder. AND shes playing with her own life doing so.. Does she really want to leave her other child motherless as mentioned already? Tell her to suck it up, go through a normal pregnancy with no drinking/drugs,/etc.. ( so she can give the child the start it deserves) and to put the child up for adoption to a family that can take care of it.

Where is the father? She didnt get pregnant alone.. She also should be giving up the other child as well to a family that can properly take care of her existing child as she dont sound mentally stable to handle raising a child.

She needs to contact an adoption agency now that will start helping her asap.

I'm officially grossed out.

LOL knew I'd get some wild post from this.. AGAIN.. NOTTTT MINE!!! so Zero worries there unless sperm can live for two years and hide past one pregnacy. Father is there but is over whelmed with trying to care for her and the other one. and again I say I'm not hip horaying abortion but some times its just not meant to be. she just confirmed it today so I'm sure shes got alot on her mind. I'm just acting as a friend trying to help out. The Nets full of resources and they dont even have a computer!

Adoption
Abortion
misscarage
Keeping
Are all on the table but in all truth and reality she shouldnt have it at all. She wasnt suposed to have the first one but somehow pulled it off. she did have the IUD at one time and something went wrong and then got on the pill and something happened on her last pack and the insurance co was giving her major run around, and volla!

If it says anything my current GF is adopted and has never seen or wants to see her real parents, (from what I know) and has very loving foster parents. And the ex hadnt seen her dad since she was like one but has reunited in the last 2 yrs and all is well, so I know adoption is resting on her mind but DAMN this pregnacy is going to drain the life out of her for another year! Thanks for all the input. keep it coming!

quote Originally posted by RACE: DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?" I want my neg now. I deserve it for dissagreeing with you.

+ +

To say I am shocked by this post is an understatement. When I see people out there waiting years to try and adopt a child, or unable to concieve on their own, I am flabbergasted that some people choose to see the gift of life as nothing more than inconvenience that can be remedied by a piece of wire. Go womens lib and freedom of choice.

Wow.

quote Originally posted by Formula: I don't know any home 'remedies'.

It's called SWALLOW ! Oh wait that's a birth control technique. Adoption sounds like a winner to me.

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Punch her in the belly.


I'm going to go boil myself now.

quote Originally posted by DjDraggin: but DAMN this pregnancy is going to drain the life out of her for another year!

she shoulda thought of that before she decided to get knocked up.

somehow a mistake was made and she got pregnant, everyone knows the risks when they "do it"

so a mistake happened, her guy needs to man up, and she needs to man up "or woman up lol"

and responsibley deal with the mistake she made. even if it means its gonna suck for 9 months.

you said she wasn't supposed to have the first one? well then apperently she didn't learn from her mistake, or wasn't any more careful if this is her second accident?

Tell your friend to grow up and her boyfriend to grow a pair. The money they spend partying could be put towards their present child and the possible new child. It probably was her partying that got her into this situation to begin with. She is a parent already and should start to act like one. Too many young girls have kids and don't want the responsibility of raising them, look at the poster child for this, Britney Spears.
Children are a blessing and should be treated as so, not like a piece of garbage that can be flushed down a toilet. In the end it's her choice but she doesn't sound responsible enough to make one. Just how far along is she?

quote Originally posted by RACE: DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?" I want my neg now. I deserve it for dissagreeing with you.

ditto. if she really has no plans of caring for the child have her contact the local planned parenthood. they can give her advice on her options. i know a young lady who was in a very similar situation. she had one baby already and couldn't handle another. she couldn't really take care of herslf or the baby. she had an abortion and think it cost $200. she was on so much meth that it was probably the right decision. also the good thing about planned parenthood is they will make sure her stupid ass gets on some sort of birth control so she's not in there getting scraped every month.

Tell her to call her local woman's shelter, community health board, or social services. They can point her in the right direction.

There are abortion clinics available that help low-income women.

I'll give you $10 for it.

OK that was just a jab but its just as bad as looking for ways out.
There are lots of people that cant have children that would love to adopt a baby.

quote Originally posted by RACE: DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?" I want my neg now. I deserve it for dissagreeing with you.

Agreed. That is really sick. There is always adoption. I can't even type anything else. blachhh!

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RU-486

quote Originally posted by pred1tor83: .

Um, if she had her . there would be no reason for this thread...

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: Um, if she had her . there would be no reason for this thread...

LOL - pretty clever

Sounds to me like someone should either STOP HAVING SEX or GET "FIXED".

If I was the baby involved, I would want to be put up for adoption because I would not want to live with parents who wanted to kill me because they didn't want me.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: I'll give you $10 for it. OK that was just a jab but its just as bad as looking for ways out. There are lots of people that cant have children that would love to adopt a baby.

while both illegal and immoral there is a market
healthy white newborn babys are worth BIG BUCKS
if she is careful and lucky it could change her life
I have heard of serious 6 figure payments to moms for kids
she could get payments starting right now for medical care and better housing
food ect

funny how the right to life crowd is againts this option
and the states want it under their control too
so there is no payments to moms
but baby shoppers are out there
and that maybe in the best intrest of the child

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are you kind?

quote Originally posted by AP2k: RU-486

2nd that.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: no, he doesnt want her to kill her child - he is trying to prevent her from having another child. A child cant breath when its head is stuck inside a vagina.

And it will never breathe if it gets ripped out or poisoned. Play semantics and call it whatever makes you feel good but it is still ending a life.

Little kids can be a massive, inconvenient, and expensive pain in the butt. I have a two year old with stomach flu and a 1 week old who keeps us up all night. Believe me I know that it can be rough but I would never wish either of them away. To me, killing kids inside of their mother is like a sniper in a school lunchroom. A kid becomes unalive either way.

I intentionally avoid topics like this but I couldn't keep quiet this time. Say what you want about me, rate me negatively if you must, and defend whichever side you choose but I can go to my grave with a clear conscience about what I have posted.

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quote Originally posted by RACE: And it will never breathe if it gets ripped out or poisoned. Play semantics and call it whatever makes you feel good but it is still ending a life. Little kids can be a massive, inconvenient, and expensive pain in the butt. I have a two year old with stomach flu and a 1 week old who keeps us up all night. Believe me I know that it can be rough but I would never wish either of them away. To me, killing kids inside of their mother is like a sniper in a school lunchroom. A kid becomes unalive either way. I intentionally avoid topics like this but I couldn't keep quiet this time. Say what you want about me, rate me negatively if you must, and defend whichever side you choose but I can go to my grave with a clear conscience about what I have posted.

yes, semantics. EVERYONE daily ends lots of life. eat meat - dont eat meat - dont matter stuff dies either way.

you can place whatever value you like on a raw uncooked human. a woman starts with 2 sackfulls of uncooked humans. it is 100% up to her on which will be fully baked. it is completely impossible for a woman to bake 'em all. every month, another one drips away, and is thrown in the garbage. or maybe a dog finds it, and eats it....whatever.

it aint me. and, if you read the post - I mentioned the concern for the woman also. but, I aint her. you aint her. you want the kid, make an offer and take it.

quote Originally posted by RACE: ...This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year...

This thread is alot like a "what the best way to commit suicide?" thread. And really not worthy of a 'how to" response.

At this point, from what you write, it's not a matter of money. She's past the 12 week point, and abortion clinics can't legally do the procedure on her. The meds like U486 can't be used past 9 weeks, btw.

I know she's poor, but most counties in the US will spring for mental health care on an outpatient basis--she should be getting counceling. Sounds like she's needing rational, adult advice as much as anything.

You know there are lots of couples that can't have babies that would be happy to pay for the prenatal care and the delivery. Contact any fertility clinic and she could find potential parents. Probably Planned Parenthood could, too. Certainly an ob/gyn doc. would know of couples.

As far as homemade abortions, not a good idea. She could do irreparable damage to her ability to reproduce in the future, to her other internal organs, and she could end up in a hospital for far longer than a simple procedure in a clinic. SHE COULD DIE! From what you write, she's beyond 12 weeks, so she's already closed that door.

Btw, any unwanted (born) baby can be dropped off at fire stations, emergency rooms, police stations no questions asked.

Has she even tried to contact Planned Parenthood?

This thread really makes me sad.

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Wow some of you all are being really chill about this considering some of the other topics being posted here that get out of hand. I opened this thread just out of curiosity as to what kind of posts could possibly follow such a title.

I have no suggestions for homemade unpregnancy techniques but would put my vote towards adoption. Take the next 9 months and find a truly deserving, unspoiled, non abusive, loving family. I would imagine that an adoptive family would take care of hospital bills and the likes so the only stress your friend would have (if she can stand it) would be eating lots getting all fat and then the actual labor.

Tell her to stop watching TV and listening to the radio and her chances of doing something like this again will be dramatically reduced. GUARANTEED!

quote Originally posted by RACE: DjDraggin, This is the sickest thing that has been posted here all year. "How can I kill a child on a dime?" I want my neg now. I deserve it for disagreeing with you.

I agree, this is easily the sickest thing I ever read on here.

If she really doesn't want the child, go to a f**#in doctor. What is $600 compared to the $50,000 it will take to raise the child, or the possibility of death from a substandard procedure or incorrect medicine? I say adoption, there are plenty of people who can;t have children and would love to have a healthy baby.

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quote Originally posted by RACE: To me, killing kids inside of their mother is like a sniper in a school lunchroom. A kid becomes unalive either way.

Well said.

The one thing about this abortion debate that has always pissed me off is it's not like the situation "just happens" or is "plain old bad luck" obviously I am not including rape incest etc. in that statement. It is a direct result of a personal choice, that IS what women's right to choose should be.

Now if she chose to kill the baby by hanging herself that might be a fair trade.

Now that brings to mind the total hypocrisy of charging a killer with a double homicide for killing a pregnant woman when most people seem to believe LIFE isn't quantifiable until the child exits the womb.

I have no one to blame but myself for clicking on this thread! what the hell did I think I was going to be reading in here!

DjDraggin, this may come as a surprise to you but I did not rate you either way. I am not judging you or your friend. I really do want to help. This may be a wakeup call. In real life you don't always get do-overs but that doesn't mean that hope is lost.

This is an excellent adoption organization.

http://members.shaohannahshope.org/site/PageServer

Please let us know how this situation turns out.