quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: I don’t think much of you. Or your so called licenses in the state of Calyfornia.

Obviously, there is more going on here than meets the eye but I gotta ask, was this really necessary? Don't get me wrong, I've had issues with some folks on Pennocks but quoting 84Bill, (We have the right to ignore.) Depending on the topic, I know that most of us are pretty opinionated. We'll defend our position to the death but, rarely is anyone swayed. It's almost impossible to read emotion or intent in a post, that's why we've got those smiley's. John Stricker and I have a running battle of poking fun at each other but we both know it's done in jest. John and I do not agree on everything, he knows I'm cuter and won't admit it.

Steve and Todd,
You and I won't agree on everything but I think you're both pretty cool dudes, why drive this thread in to the trash can? I'm not throwing stones at anyone but...............

Well, I've said enough.

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Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all. Some ran the other way.

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what the hell?
this thread was about me crying that i got sand kicked in my gina at some other site and now we've got this?

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Steve and Todd, You and I won't agree on everything but I think you're both pretty cool dudes, why drive this thread in to the trash can? I'm not throwing stones at anyone but............... Well, I've said enough.

I'm trying to stay on topic but you are right, there is more here than meets the eye. I won't be responding to his attacks anymore. I'm sure the forum can judge his posts for what they are.

As for getting back to the topic, I recently took my car in for service too and the ASC tech acted like he had all the answers before even looking at the car. that may instill confidence in little old ladies but it just pissed me off. I had a lot to tell this guy about what I was having a problem with and he wasn't listening. He eventually was replaced. I guess I am not the only one who fould him to be to full of himself.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I know more about Fiero Maintenance than any ASE working in this country today.

wow, that's a lot of techs!

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Smartest midget you'll ever know!

Wow the Turd speaks, 3 months late and as usual wrong.

ASE is a test of automotive service professionals who work on the newest most advanced vehicles, not normally on 20 year old cars. They do but that is not what the certification is about.

Your arrogance is showing again, I bet the guy who you talked to was about your age, maybe younger. That means he was most likely around 13 to 15 or even younger when the Fiero came out. He has more knowledge in new cars than you.

Of course you have more knowledge than he does, you have owned one how long? 6 years that’s a long time to learn about one particular vehicle. Most of us here have a lot of knowledge about these classics.

You on the other hand know just about everything about just about any subject, and are never wrong.

That shows arrogance. Just like this young tech showed you. Now I am not a big fan of ASE certification but I didn’t put them down, you did.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

BMWguru, remember that whatever you do to your competition to inconvenience them can also be done to you.

OK, I promised to ignore your personal attacks and I will. But explain this contradiction for us:

I said

quote I know more about Fiero Maintenance than any ASE working in this country today.

you said

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: wrong. ASE is a test of automotive service professionals who work on the newest most advanced vehicles, not normally on 20 year old cars. They do but that is not what the certification is about.

OK which is it? Do they know more about Fieros than me or do they not work on 20 year old cars?

Then you added this.

quote Of course you have more knowledge than he does, you have owned one how long? 6 years that’s a long time to learn about one particular vehicle. Most of us here have a lot of knowledge about these classics.

Can you at least keep your attacks on me consistent. I'm getting a headache trying to figure out what exactly you are defending.

And I haven't owned one.....I've owned 25 Fieros since 1992. I've fully rebuilt 12 of them from the frame up. I know every clip, bolt, tab, and bracket on them by heart. I've modified 4 with new engines and body mods. And I've done maintenance on dozens of my own as well as other club members cars. I also am VP of the local club and have a Fiero library second only to GMs. It takes up one wall of my house. I have John Schinella's personal notebook in it, amoungst other rare Fiero related materials. I own 2 of the 14 known power steering racks and pumps GM made for the Fiero and the documentation to go with it. No one other than GM and myself has this documentation, certainly no ASE tech has it.

So the question is, how is it "arrogant" to simply state what is merely an obvious statement of fact, that I know more about the Fiero than any ASE in the country?

If you want to make this a pissing contest I already stated I'm not playing. But if you are going to attack me with crap at least have the courtesy to back it up with a few facts.

[This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 07-30-2007).]

No what you said was this.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: As for getting back to the topic, I recently took my car in for service too and the ASC tech acted like he had all the answers before even looking at the car. that may instill confidence in little old ladies but it just pissed me off. I had a lot to tell this guy about what I was having a problem with and he wasn't listening. He eventually was replaced. I guess I am not the only one who fould him to be to full of himself.

All I was trying to say was that you met someone just as arrogant as you, how did it feel?

I stand by what I said before, do you still want to keep up the BS?

You change what you say to fit what you want.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: So the question is, how is it "arrogant" to simply state what is merely an obvious statement of fact, that I know more about the Fiero than any ASE in the country?

i have many ASE certs.
i wonder how we can prove who knows more.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: No what you said was this.

NO, You are confusing two separate issues. this was a STORY I recounted to illustrate that just having ASE certs does NOT make you a good mechanic. Having people skills and caring about your work matters too. This guys was fired for being as ******* .

You should take a remedial reading class or something. Highschool isn't doing you much good.

quote All I was trying to say was that you met someone just as arrogant as you, how did it feel?

I wouldn't know, I've never been fired for being as ******* . Why don't YOU tell us all what it feels like.

quote I stand by what I said before,

All the sadder.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: All the sadder.

All the more arrogant.

As I said earlier you just change things to mean what you want them to be, to make yourself look good.

The only one here you are fooling is yourself.

All the sadder.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Now who is the troll?

Care to put it to a vote?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Care to put it to a vote?

Sure turdman, though I doubt you will admit it even if it is proven that you are an arrogant troll.

You waited three months to resurrect this thread just to goat me into another pissing match, after I said something in another post that hurt your feelings.

You see I don’t need to prove myself to you, but you seem to have to prove yourself to yourself.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Care to put it to a vote?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/050211.html

According to your own count, 147 people think you are a detriment to this forum enough to want to vote you off. 84fiero123 has about 59 negative votes. I'd say that makes you the "winner". Congratulations, trollster.

Uh oh, the red bars are ganging up on me. I'm so scared

quote Originally posted by blackrams: John Stricker and I have a running battle of poking fun at each other but we both know it's done in jest. John and I do not agree on everything, he knows I'm cuter and won't admit it.

I don't want to be cuter than you because I'm one of those "ruggedly handsome" types that really pulls the chicks.

I'm just hoping now you don't tell the wife.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Uh oh, the red bars are ganging up on me. I'm so scared

Well how else would you like to do this?

You see it is really the only way, secret anyway. You have so many people afraid of you.

You are after all the unofficial moderator here.

Like I already said you will just turn anything around so that you look good.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: don't let the troll convince you that this discussion is about your qualifications.

i'm not.
it was your statement that made me feel that way.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I know more about the Fiero than any ASE in the country?

i quite honestly dont believe you know more about repairing fieros than i do.

quote Originally posted by buddycraigg: i quite honestly dont believe you know more about repairing fieros than i do.

Everyone has their opinion and more power to you.

But ask yourself, have you disassembled and rebuilt a fiero from the ground-up? completely? Totally? I mean rebuilt EVERYTHING including the Alt, subwoofer amps (created a new circuit board once from scratch!), radios, AC compressors and control units, every last nut, screw, clip, and rivet? Piece by piece? I have, many times. Hell, I pull engines just to do detailing before a car show. Check my threads in Tech and GFC archives. Have you even SEEN a Fiero Power Steering Unit let alone rebuilt one? Show me an ASE, ANY ASE, tech who has and I will conceed the point. Fair enough?

You see Buddy, It is not a disrepect to ASE techs in general and certainly not you personally. It is simply a respect FOR ME from those who benefit from my 15 years of experience with Fieros every day on this forum that justifies the statement.

But in the interest of harmony, "MOST" it is.

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OMG...

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Everyone has their opinion and more power to you. But ask yourself, have you disassembled and rebuilt a fiero from the ground-up? completely? Totally? I mean rebuilt EVERYTHING including the Alt, subwoofer amps (created a new circuit board once from scratch!), radios, AC compressors and control units, every last nut, screw, clip, and rivet? Piece by piece? I have, many times. Hell, I pull engines just to do detailing before a car show. Check my threads in Tech and GFC archives. Have you even SEEN a Fiero Power Steering Unit let alone rebuilt one? Show me an ASE, ANY ASE, tech who has and I will conceed the point. Fair enough? You see Buddy, It is not a disrepect to ASE techs in general and certainly not you personally. It is simply a respect FOR ME from those who benefit from my 15 years of experience with Fieros every day on this forum that justifies the statement. But in the interest of harmony, "MOST" it is.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: But ask yourself, have you disassembled and rebuilt a fiero from the ground-up?

yes
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: completely?

yesss
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Totally?

i said yes did i?
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I mean rebuilt EVERYTHING including the Alt,

yes i've rebuilt SI and CS alternators
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: subwoofer amps (created a new circuit board once from scratch!)

honestly the only subwoofer car that i've worked on had a problem with the tape deck
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: radios,

yes
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: AC compressors

not on a fiero. but since fieros only used HR and DA compressors and i've rebuilt those before, i'm gonna let that one slide on in
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quote Originally posted by Toddster: control units,

only on a AC control head, never seen a problem with a simple slider type
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: every last nut, screw, clip, and rivet? Piece by piece?

yes, yes, yes, and yes. yes by yes.
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Have you even SEEN a Fiero Power Steering Unit

twice actually
.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: rebuilt one? Show me an ASE, ANY ASE, tech who has and I will conceed the point. Fair enough?

no, i've never rebuilt a fiero power steering unit.
so you're saying that because you have rebuilt an electric power steering unit that is on 14 or 15 cars floating out there in the world somewhere. this little instance makes you better at repairing fieros in general?
.

Here is one for you Turdster,

How does the Fiero rear disc brake piston ratcheting system work? Ever had one apart.?

You seem to relish in making yourself feel superior to others and making other feel inferior in all things, not just Fieros.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Hold on 84,
I’m waiting for him to explain how I am less of a fiero mechanic because I’ve never had the opportunity to repair the power steering system of a fiero.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Here is one for you Turdster, How does the Fiero rear disc brake piston ratcheting system work? Ever had one apart.? You seem to relish in making yourself feel superior to others and making other feel inferior in all things, not just Fieros.

Dude just stop. It is just to ugly to watch.
Ask Todd for his Phone number or something. Write him a letter or go punch a tree until you can't swing no more. When you run out of tears get a self help book.
I'm not saying stop beating on Todd I'm just saying you really suck at it.

quote Originally posted by buddycraigg: I met some of the meanest people I have ever had the displeasure of talking to today. ...Man it was ugly...

I can't tell any more who this thread is really about now...

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Dude just stop. It is just to ugly to watch. Ask Todd for his Phone number or something. Write him a letter or go punch a tree until you can't swing no more. When you run out of tears get a self help book. I'm not saying stop beating on Todd I'm just saying you really suck at it.

I am not the one who needs help. Todd is, for some reason he feels he knows everything and is always right about everything.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

hush,
i'm trying to keep this civil

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Sorry, Pokey, but Todds post is, to be frank, the heighth of arrogance.

There are any number of us here that have done the things he's boasting about so loudly, and not for 15 years, more like 40. Or more. To Fiero's, specifically? No. But they are GM's. They have common parts with other GM's. The Fiero is nothing special, just a unique, among GM, layout of already existing components at that time. Give me one thing on the Fiero (mechanically) that is completely unique to the Fiero and not found on any other GM car. The 88's had different suspension in the rear. Big deal. Nothing new there. Changed the front end from one style of unequal length control arms to another. Whoop-dee-do. Give me a break.

I've had 4 apart, completely, virtually every nut and bolt, in the last 5 years. The only thing I haven't done is work on the PS system and, since they are so rare, I don't consider that a hinderance and to be honest, I don't care if Todd thinks it is or not. I've done 4 Caddy 4.9 swaps. A SBC swap. 3.4L swap. Built 3.4L race engines. Rebuilt TH125C's. Converted Autos to 5 speeds, then 4 speeds. Manuals to Autos. Built award winning show cars. But according to Todd, that's nothing. He knows more. Does more. Is more.

Personally, I'm sick of it.

The attitude in his post, and not what he knows or doesn't know, is what's offensive. The continual attitude he projects in this forum is getting more than a bit tiresome.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Dude just stop. It is just to ugly to watch. Ask Todd for his Phone number or something. Write him a letter or go punch a tree until you can't swing no more. When you run out of tears get a self help book. I'm not saying stop beating on Todd I'm just saying you really suck at it.

Hey man I'm all for a good beating but some of these come backs or counter attacks are just stupid.
I deserve better entertainment. I demand it.

quote Originally posted by buddycraigg: Hold on 84, I’m waiting for him to explain how I am less of a fiero mechanic because I’ve never had the opportunity to repair the power steering system of a fiero.

_{Ahhh.. Ohhhh... man... Ima trying.... man....}GASP!!

_{And you cant PICK OFF A FLY FROM 100 YARDS WITH YOUR TONGUE!!}

Whew.. sorry man couldnt hold it back any longer.

I've never watched a train wreck as it happens, but I think this thread is probably a good approximation.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: And you cant PICK OFF A FLY FROM 100 YARDS WITH YOUR TONGUE!!

i bet you cant do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRgU2aytu4

now back to Todd.

quote Originally posted by buddycraigg: i bet you cant do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRgU2aytu4 now back to Todd.

Well, everyone has their opinion and more power to you
But ask yourself, have you ever disassembled and rebuilt a bow from the ground-up? completely? Totally? I mean rebuilt EVERYTHING including the bow string from monfilament strands, every last strand right down to the nock, peepsightighted with the arrow rest? I have, many times,Have you ever seen a bow or arrow. Check my threads, Just search for Bow (watch me felx) Constructions Series. Have you ever strung a bow or even seen one let alone made a string from monofiliment strands? Show me a Bowman and I may conceed.. except for that "something wonderful is about to happen" guy. Fair enough?

You see Buddy, It is not a disrepect to David Bowman, Toddster or men in general who masturbate in the mirror and certainly not you personally. It is simply a respect FOR ME from those who benefit from my 15 years of iexperience with bows, women and strings so every day I self fornicate on this forum that justifies the statement.

Priceless.

Beer's on me when we meet, Bill.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Well, everyone has their opinion and more power to you But ask yourself, have you ever disassembled and rebuilt a bow from the ground-up? completely? Totally? I mean rebuilt EVERYTHING including the bow string from monfilament strands, every last strand right down to the nock, peepsightighted with the arrow rest? I have, many times,Have you ever seen a bow or arrow. Check my threads, Just search for Bow (watch me felx) Constructions Series. Have you ever strung a bow or even seen one let alone made a string from monofiliment strands? Show me a Bowman and I may conceed.. except for that "something wonderful is about to happen" guy. Fair enough? You see Buddy, It is not a disrepect to David Bowman, Toddster or men in general who masturbate in the mirror and certainly not you personally. It is simply a respect FOR ME from those who benefit from my 15 years of iexperience with bows, women and strings so every day I self fornicate on this forum that justifies the statement.

with all the pitch forks around i bet i'm not going to get a response from todd.
but then again, i probably wouldn't have agreed with his explanation.

now i'm going to go change the starter and AC belt on a 88 formula.

EDIT: did someone mention beer?

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