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Another Computer problem Auto Updates by twofatguys
Started on: 03-12-2007 08:13 PM
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Report this Post03-12-2007 08:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
I remember shutting this option off several times before. I go to the control panel security settings and manage Auto updates. Then I get the irritating balloon pop-up all the time because my computer is now at risk. I know just like before the next time I turn the computer on Automatic updates will once again be turned on and sucking my connection speed away from me

What can I do about this???

Its driving me nutser.

Oh and its XP SP2

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Report this Post03-12-2007 08:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for XanthSend a Private Message to XanthDirect Link to This Post
In the "Security Center" you should have an option that says "Change the way Security Center alerts me" You can disable the alerts there.

or alternatively:

Disable the "Security Center" service.

Go to: Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Services

Double click on "Security Center" and set the startup type to "Disabled"

While your at it also set the "Automatic Updates" service to "Disabled"

Even if you have Auto Update off the service is still running.

You should still be able to access the manual updates option in the Control Panel -> Security Center

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Report this Post03-12-2007 09:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
Looks like that worked for now. I swear I have done this before though, I cant fathom why or how the auto updates turn themselves back on.

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Report this Post03-13-2007 12:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Scott-WaClick Here to visit Scott-Wa's HomePageSend a Private Message to Scott-WaDirect Link to This Post
Mine keeps wanting to install the Windows authentication verification utility over and over and over... damn thing must be on my system 20x by now. I don't need or want more MS spyware on my system... it's a freaking valid retail copy you bastards... you've only checked it a million freaking times and updated the software spying on my system about the same number of times. Oh yeah... and it can't be removed.

I think it's there to make your system slower and slower and slower until you cave and buy a new computer with Vista.
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Report this Post03-13-2007 12:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
I think it's there to make your system slower and slower and slower until you cave and buy a new computer with Vista.


I'm starting to think so as well. My system was running fine until I install SP2 then Vista was introduced, my computer started having more and more problems as did others on the Forum as noted by the amount of Computer help threads popping up.

It would be awesome from a business standpoint to make a previous utility break down over time causing people to have to pay to upgrade for a version that works again. Or if all else fails just send a little unrecognizable bug in a Service Pack that causes problems. For added revenue make the SP mandatory

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Report this Post03-13-2007 05:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for XanthSend a Private Message to XanthDirect Link to This Post
If you want to get rid of the Genuine Advantage crap google removewga.exe . It completely uninstalls it. I did it to my GF's laptop after it slowed down to a crawl from GA constantly crashing.

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Originally posted by twofatguys:

I swear I have done this before though, I cant fathom why or how the auto updates turn themselves back on.


I think something fishy is going on, since mine turned itself on about a week ago too - just like it did with a few of my friends. Strange thing is that at the time it turned itself on, it also deleted all my restore points (all 170 of them). I know it installed something because I noticed it was on when I suddenly saw the update icon appear briefly in my systray. I quickly hovered over it and saw "Updates Installed" - then the systray icon disappeared. And when I wanted to restore to a restore point to get rid of whatever it was it installed, my restore points were gone. The log showed they were all deleted at once.

MS doing something fishy here?
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Report this Post03-13-2007 09:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
wtf is wrong with autoupdates??
I can understand not caring about Java or Quicktime updates, and stuff like that
but, OS & Virus protection?

now, I can understand a computer that is not going to be on the internet, to not want autoupdates. but - if its on the internet - your asking for more trouble without updates than with updates.

the update list is like a shopping list of ways to attack un-updated computers. anyone who wants to start a hacking career - the update list is a VERY easy starting point.
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Report this Post03-13-2007 10:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for dguySend a Private Message to dguyDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

wtf is wrong with autoupdates??


Nothing, if you're the type who puts trust in someone else to fix and maintain your operating system for you.

Not everyone does, just as not every Fiero owner trusts a mechanic to put their car on a four-arm lift without mashing the coolant tubes.
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Report this Post03-13-2007 10:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by dguy:
Nothing, if you're the type who puts trust in someone else to fix and maintain your operating system for you.

Not everyone does, just as not every Fiero owner trusts a mechanic to put their car on a four-arm lift without mashing the coolant tubes.


well, having written my own OS on a TRS-80, way back when - yes - I trust MS to update my Win XP. tho, I do maintain it on my own.
and, like I mentioned - the update list is a shopping list for hackers. looking for a way to hack? go to the update list and look.

and, yes, I am always right there when my car gets jacked at a shop.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

wtf is wrong with autoupdates??


Nothing is wrong with auto updates, if all you do with your computer is surf the web and play games. But 90% of the time I'm behind my computer, I'm programming and debugging. And I don't want to be going through my source trying to figure out why that winsock control isn't operating at full speed only to find out it's because Windows Update is downloading tons of crap I don't even want in the background.

To use the car analogy, you don't want a mechanic working on your car while you are driving it.

I have another computer which has autoupdate enabled, and I use that computer to tell me when updates are available. Then I can do the updates on my machine at my convenience.
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Report this Post03-13-2007 12:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Nothing is wrong with auto updates, if all you do with your computer is surf the web and play games. But 90% of the time I'm behind my computer, I'm programming and debugging. And I don't want to be going through my source trying to figure out why that winsock control isn't operating at full speed only to find out it's because Windows Update is downloading tons of crap I don't even want in the background.

To use the car analogy, you don't want a mechanic working on your car while you are driving it.

I have another computer which has autoupdate enabled, and I use that computer to tell me when updates are available. Then I can do the updates on my machine at my convenience.


well, you are allowed to schedule when the updates download - but, yes, very good reason to not let it go automaticly.
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Report this Post03-15-2007 12:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
Turned the computer on today and one of the first things I get is a pop-up stating that my computer may be at risk. Argggggg

This isn't a problem with not wanting updates at all Pyrthian, its about internet speed. I have two choices, really slow dial up, or my air card. Both are slow since I live in the middle of nowhere. If Auto Updates is running in the background I really notice it.

This is the umpteenth time I have either changed the way I am notified, or have completely disabled the application.

There has to be a way to completely remove this because at this point quite frankly it's just pissing me off.

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Report this Post03-15-2007 03:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
Go to Start / Control Panel / Security Center, and then click on "Change the way Security Center alerts me." You'll then see three checkboxes. Uncheck the one that says "Automatic Updates". That should shut it up.

FYI, I have mine set to prompt me when updates are available, but not download or install them until I say so. Once a week, I check for updates. The Automatic Updates seems to be less annoying this way. This method also allows me to choose which updates to install.

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Report this Post03-15-2007 04:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for XanthSend a Private Message to XanthDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by twofatguys:

Turned the computer on today and one of the first things I get is a pop-up stating that my computer may be at risk. Argggggg

This isn't a problem with not wanting updates at all Pyrthian, its about internet speed. I have two choices, really slow dial up, or my air card. Both are slow since I live in the middle of nowhere. If Auto Updates is running in the background I really notice it.

This is the umpteenth time I have either changed the way I am notified, or have completely disabled the application.

There has to be a way to completely remove this because at this point quite frankly it's just pissing me off.

Brad


You disabled security center and it re-enabled itself?

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Report this Post03-16-2007 01:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WhuffoClick Here to visit Whuffo's HomePageSend a Private Message to WhuffoDirect Link to This Post
I've always had my automatic updates set to notify me first. But earlier this week when I shut this machine down it asked if it should install updates before shutting down. WTF? No. I'll check it out tomorrow.

So when I start up the next day I get the notification that updates have been installed and it wants to reboot. Great; something that I didn't ask for or know about has just been installed for me. I let it reboot and decide to check online to see if anyone else is reporting this. When I try to launch Firefox, it informs me that it's not the default browser. WTF? Yup, IE is now my default browser.

Went to Windows Update and checked my update history. It said I'd installed 5 updates that day - including an update for Windows CardSpace. WTF? Found a new icon in Control Panel for CardSpace - had to Google it to find out what it was. First I've heard of it - never asked for it, wouldn't have installed it even if Microsoft begged me to. It'd be a cold day in you-know-where before I'd trust Microsoft enough to use that application.

Especially when they slipped it onto my machine without so much as a "pardon me" and changed my default browser and auto update settings while they were at it. At least my restore points are still there...

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Report this Post03-17-2007 01:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
My newer laptop was originally set to get auto updates from Microsoft. I turned it off, but if I turn on auto updates for my antiviris, it also resets XP updates...I hate that. I want the auto on antiviris, but no need for the XP ones. My other laptop is XP also and its never been updated other than SP2 in 5 years and works fine.
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Report this Post03-17-2007 04:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for twofatguysSend a Private Message to twofatguysDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Xanth:


You disabled security center and it re-enabled itself?



Yes I disabled it, and then it turned back on. I am thinking this is related to my spybot search and destroy seeing it as a problem and fixing it.

I really have no idea, but it is turning back on. I'll wait and see if it comes back on if I turn spybot off.
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