Everything about the Iraq war became real to me by spending a year over there.
From what I seen I think its about money more than anything, Haliburton is the only thing I really have to say about them.
Over there they pay someone who does the same job I do 100K+ a year when being out there I barely made 20 with all the "Great pay" All of the contracts over there are contracted by haliburton and they are the same people who had the contract to aid hurricane Katrina.
They have these same counterparts for every military job, tell me how this saves money. They invest alot in training each individual soldier just to have a bunch of civilian counter parts make 100k + a year and get the first 80k tax free.
Even senior NCOS don't make that much over there so its something to think about.
I just think they are making so much money off of this war they struggle to keep everything adrift. Talk to a military contractor and they will tell you this is not going to end any time soon.
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10:28 PM
Jan 13th, 2007
Wolfhound Member
Posts: 5317 From: Opelika , Alabama, USA Registered: Oct 1999
The problem with the Iraqi Army is the very same problem we had in Vietnam. The ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) was for the largest part weak timid and uncommited. I will say there were exceptions but they were rare. The Viet cong on the other hand were were driven by belief and fearless. To add to the mix some had day jobs as ARVN and were V.C. at night.
For many of the Iraqi Army they are taking the only job in town, so to speak, while maintaining their secterian convictions. We are in essence training and arming the enemy. The guys on the ground know that! Gates wants to intergrate our guys with them. That's a recipe for disaster.
I agree with roger on letting the Iraqis vote what they want since we are the ones who messed up the country. Plus about the Iraqi army I agree about that to because alot of the families get threatened if they learn that there sons were going for the american trained iraqi army. Plus if you notice all of the Iraqi police wear ski masks so their identity remains unknown.
Are you talking about Haliburton? The CEO is David J. Lesar. When I did a quick Google search for "Who owns Haliburton" it came back with "Michael Moore." Apparently he owns about 2000 shares in Haliburton, regardless of how much he villifies them.
So, who was it you're trying to implicate? Michael Moore or David Lesar?
Well the way I heard it is if they voted for us to stay, our troops would stay without any restraints on how we deal with them. IE/ now our guys cant shoot unless theyre shot at first and they have no avenue of retreat. ((( ummmmm, sound like maybe VN just a little ))))
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lurker Member
Posts: 12351 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
During the duration of the war many ended up comparing this war to Vietnam.
This is off the record I had just seen talladega nights and in the end with dennit racing he has 2 big investers. They are from Dynacorp and Haliburton, I had a laugh when I seen that.
The only thing the arguing proves is politicians are only good at one thing, and thats telling people where to die.
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Uaana Member
Posts: 6570 From: Robbinsdale MN US Registered: Dec 1999
It's similar to VN because the media have protrayed it that way.
The Sunni/Shite violence "civil war" hmm do some research and it appear that it's only happening around Baghdad. Out of 12 "states" if you will, only 3 have regular insugent problems/attacks.
Christ, I swear half of this country is praying for another VN.. and those that are didn't learn the first time. We had VN beat but lost political will. The Tet offensive in 68 was their big blast.. militarly they got their asses kicked. but the media protrayed it as a loss for the US.
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Uaana Member
Posts: 6570 From: Robbinsdale MN US Registered: Dec 1999
During the duration of the war many ended up comparing this war to Vietnam.
This is off the record I had just seen talladega nights and in the end with dennit racing he has 2 big investers. They are from Dynacorp and Haliburton, I had a laugh when I seen that.
The only thing the arguing proves is politicians are only good at one thing, and thats telling people where to die.
Been that way in every war.. Contractors suck.. I remember the MCLC (mine clearing line charge).. best we could get that damn thing to work was 50%.. They said it was end user errors.. The thing is/was a pos. Most vivid example was looking at a track with the line charge draped over it because the rocket fizzed out early. Second and personal example was having to leave the track and manually prime the charge since the connections had been broken during launch. Both times the system had been set up and prepped according to mfg guidlines but failed in actual use. Contractor was paid 100k to tell us we were doing it wrong and not put his butt on the line with the system..
