I assume your talking about the New Lexus that self parallel parks??
I would assume your still liable, but I would most definitely look to Lexus for some reimbursment if it hit a car while using the electronic parking device.
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fieroluv Member
Posts: 1951 From: Ft Wayne, IN USA Registered: Jul 2002
I've been wondering how that would work my self, but if you read the disclaimer when they advertise it, it states "driver is responsible for braking". So I guess you would still have to hit the brake when you are close enough.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
The driver would be liable unless there was a demonstrable fault in the Lexus that was beyond the driver's control. It's an automated system, but the driver controls it's usage. However, there have been cases, such as the sudden acceleration problem with Audis years ago where there was a verifiable defect in the car that contributed to the wreck. In that case, you're not liable, the manufacturer is.
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I'm waiting for this "feature" to hit NHTSA and the courts. This is a giant recall and class action screaming to happen.
On paper and in adverts it sounds really good. I'm sure they spent a huge amount on testing etc. They will be spending allot more the first time this thing screws up and causes any sort of problems in the real world.
ABS has always looked great on all sorts of things. 20 odd years later and ABS still has rampant problems. Now it's part of "stabilty" and traction control systems, which just compounds the original problems and adds complexity that creates more problems.
It's a potential example of my sig.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurasic Park)
I'm waiting for this "feature" to hit NHTSA and the courts. This is a giant recall and class action screaming to happen.
On paper and in adverts it sounds really good. I'm sure they spent a huge amount on testing etc. They will be spending allot more the first time this thing screws up and causes any sort of problems in the real world.
ABS has always looked great on all sorts of things. 20 odd years later and ABS still has rampant problems. Now it's part of "stabilty" and traction control systems, which just compounds the original problems and adds complexity that creates more problems.
It's a potential example of my sig.
are you kidding me. my 2003 bmw 530i m sport has acs and traction and all that **** . i can go around a corner made **** fast like a bat out of hell and yank the wheel left then right and the **** will not slide out. will not lock up the brakes. will do nothing but go where i point it. even full throttle in step tronic shift mode it lets of the gas if u dont and applys brakes to the right wheels at the right time. I have tried to make it spin out. burn out. or do somthing wrong. u can't Fing beat it. it will not let you. and in any accident i will never have to pull the manours i tried pulling back and forth over and over left and right and stomp gas and let off and brake hard and ect. ect. I think if everyone had what my bmw has. there would be ALOT less accidents. hell the new bmw's that are coming out. if you let your foot off the gas in a fast motion. it automaticly moves the brake pads closer to the rotor so when u step on the brake there is less brake travel. also if the pads get wet it has a sensor and will automaticly make the brake pads rub slightly on the rotor to use the heat and friction to dry them. so u won't have wet brakes.
BMW FTW!!
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are you kidding me. my 2003 bmw 530i m sport has acs and traction and all that **** . i can go around a corner made **** fast like a bat out of hell and yank the wheel left then right and the **** will not slide out. will not lock up the brakes. will do nothing but go where i point it. even full throttle in step tronic shift mode it lets of the gas if u dont and applys brakes to the right wheels at the right time. I have tried to make it spin out. burn out. or do somthing wrong. u can't Fing beat it. it will not let you. and in any accident i will never have to pull the manours i tried pulling back and forth over and over left and right and stomp gas and let off and brake hard and ect. ect. I think if everyone had what my bmw has. there would be ALOT less accidents. hell the new bmw's that are coming out. if you let your foot off the gas in a fast motion. it automatically moves the brake pads closer to the rotor so when u step on the brake there is less brake travel. also if the pads get wet it has a sensor and will automatically make the brake pads rub slightly on the rotor to use the heat and friction to dry them. so u won't have wet brakes.
BMW FTW!!
And the second any of that **** goes wrong you're going to get raped without lube by BMW to get it fixed. Sorry, I'll take driving with skill anyday over some stupid **** that takes the controls out of my hands and just adds more complicated **** that can break.
Self-parking now, next thing you know cars will drive themselves. I'm guessing most of you enjoy driving? I boycott any of that crap that does the work of driving for me. BMW and Lexus can DIAF.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
And the second any of that **** goes wrong you're going to get raped without lube by BMW to get it fixed. Sorry, I'll take driving with skill anyday over some stupid **** that takes the controls out of my hands and just adds more complicated **** that can break.
Self-parking now, next thing you know cars will drive themselves. I'm guessing most of you enjoy driving? I boycott any of that crap that does the work of driving for me. BMW and Lexus can DIAF.
the bmw is the drivers car. there is a reason they have a button to turn that **** off. but when u want to have it when driving normaly it can help u avoide a accident. it can pull manuevers the best of drivers can't because of its indidual wheel braking and other things.
my bmw isn't a fiero. i don't think my dcs system is going to brake anytime soon or all the time like a fiero. and if it does. no I will not be raped. i paid for the longer warentee and bmw covers it. guess what when my warentee is up. i will get the last of one of the new e46 m3's with a new warentee. and they will pay for anything that brakes then too. you sound like a dumb ass. ooh i will take driving with skill any day over some stupid **** . that takes control out of my hands.
your just a ****ing kid dude, have you even been to a racing school? or u just watched the fast and the furious. learned how to pull the e brake on your car, and think u can drive like the **** . the bmw doesn't take control out of your hands with dcs bye the way. if anything it gives u more control. lets say you have to avoide a accident lets say you have no choice but to swerve around a car on the freeway and as you swerve back your fiero starts to oversteer. a car can only be pushed so far. u only had two choices. hit the car in front of you. or turn sharp enough to avoide it but induce oversteer enough oversteer that u no longer can bring it back behind you.? guess what. doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. once ur to far. you only have a limited amount of options. a bmw with dsc won't let u start a oversteer. you can point it somewhere and it goes without allowing oversteer, by using each brake pad indivdualy to give u way better steering control. and angle. and u don't have to worry about oversteer that u can't correct.
and what about everyone else. that just wants to drive from point a to point b. they arnt into cars and don't give a **** about performance or driving. they want to hop on the freeway and go somewhere. and they have to avoid somthing. guess what. they don't have any driver training they just want to go to work. they can lock there brakes in a fiero not know what to do and slam into the car. or they can slam on there brakes. and let the bmw insure it doesn't lock its wheels. and is able to manuver around the car safly without them sliding out of control. and killing them and there kid in the back seat.
please tell me tinton. what car driving classes racing schools u have been too? and if you want to have complete control over somthing.
stop dicking with a car and get a sportbike. then you will relize u have alot less control then you think you do. why are you not pissed that when u press the brake all 4 brakes engauge? on a bike you have individual control over each brake, thats control. that makes a diffrence. don't have that in your fiero tho do you? damn gm for taking away some of your control.
stop spouting **** like your some bad ass driver. and that bmw can suck your nuts.
your a kid. with a little fiero. and a big head. don't get yourself killed. give up that I am in total control of my car attitude and go take some scca classes and auto x events. and you will relize. you don't know **** about what control means. and ur just starting to get a taste, in autox
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Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
I've been to Danny McKeever's Fastlane at Willow Springs for two days and Skip Barber's at Laguna Seca (because I wanted to drive open wheels before I die) as well as 3 years of the Evolution autocross school and more than a few track days and SCCA HPDE's. If you'd care to compare notes, I'm game. I think you'll find a lot of people on here with more racing and driving experience than you.
The words "a drivers car" don't go very well with needing abs, traction control, etc. A DRIVER already has all that programmed into his brain, when he/she is pushing hard, that is USING the driver's car at the limit. ABS, Traction Control, and things of that nature are there to AID people that don't have the proper skills ALL of the time, which is all of us since nobody is ever at the top of their game 100% of the time.
That said, you took your raping early when you bought the extended warranty. You still got raped, you just got raped before you broke down. Assuming you even paid for it seeing as how a couple weeks ago you were advertising to trade an Xbox360 for some work done on your Fiero. If you had the money (yourself) to BUY the Bimmer and pay the insurance as a (what, 19 year old??) then paying to get work done on your Fiero should be a minor thing, right?
I avoid your posts like the plague (like when you passed the "porschea" at 150 mph), but when you start telling everyone else that THEY don't know how to drive and that "YOU" paid for extended warranty on your Bimmer while you're trying to trade an Xbox360 for Fiero repairs is a bit hard to ignore.
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the bmw is the drivers car. there is a reason they have a button to turn that **** off. but when u want to have it when driving normaly it can help u avoide a accident. it can pull manuevers the best of drivers can't because of its indidual wheel braking and other things.
my bmw isn't a fiero. i don't think my dcs system is going to brake anytime soon or all the time like a fiero. and if it does. no I will not be raped. i paid for the longer warentee and bmw covers it. guess what when my warentee is up. i will get the last of one of the new e46 m3's with a new warentee. and they will pay for anything that brakes then too. you sound like a dumb ass. ooh i will take driving with skill any day over some stupid **** . that takes control out of my hands.
your just a ****ing kid dude, have you even been to a racing school? or u just watched the fast and the furious. learned how to pull the e brake on your car, and think u can drive like the **** . the bmw doesn't take control out of your hands with dcs bye the way. if anything it gives u more control. lets say you have to avoide a accident lets say you have no choice but to swerve around a car on the freeway and as you swerve back your fiero starts to oversteer. a car can only be pushed so far. u only had two choices. hit the car in front of you. or turn sharp enough to avoide it but induce oversteer enough oversteer that u no longer can bring it back behind you.? guess what. doesn't matter how good of a driver you are. once ur to far. you only have a limited amount of options. a bmw with dsc won't let u start a oversteer. you can point it somewhere and it goes without allowing oversteer, by using each brake pad indivdualy to give u way better steering control. and angle. and u don't have to worry about oversteer that u can't correct.
and what about everyone else. that just wants to drive from point a to point b. they arnt into cars and don't give a **** about performance or driving. they want to hop on the freeway and go somewhere. and they have to avoid somthing. guess what. they don't have any driver training they just want to go to work. they can lock there brakes in a fiero not know what to do and slam into the car. or they can slam on there brakes. and let the bmw insure it doesn't lock its wheels. and is able to manuver around the car safly without them sliding out of control. and killing them and there kid in the back seat.
please tell me tinton. what car driving classes racing schools u have been too? and if you want to have complete control over somthing.
stop dicking with a car and get a sportbike. then you will relize u have alot less control then you think you do. why are you not pissed that when u press the brake all 4 brakes engauge? on a bike you have individual control over each brake, thats control. that makes a diffrence. don't have that in your fiero tho do you? damn gm for taking away some of your control.
stop spouting **** like your some bad ass driver. and that bmw can suck your nuts.
your a kid. with a little fiero. and a big head. don't get yourself killed. give up that I am in total control of my car attitude and go take some scca classes and auto x events. and you will relize. you don't know **** about what control means. and ur just starting to get a taste, in autox
if you watch the commercials, the guy has his hands just over the wheel, so he can take control at any moment if ( when ) it fails.
Personally i wouldnt trust it, i can imagine a kid running across the yard after a ball and falling in the way, too fast for the car to react, but plenty of time for you react ( and predict .. loose ball = kid ) and stop.
from what ive seen, you have to hold the brake while its parking and it gives you warnings and stuff if its going to fast. I think any reasonable person would hit the brakes if they think they are going to hit the car behind them.
As for tcs and active handling. They are incredible, I couldnt drive my vette in the rain without them. I agree that you should have a lot of driving skill, but if your going around a turn and it feels the yaw of the car isnt corresponding with the direction the wheel is turned, it will fix it. It gives me a lot of peace of mind if anything when the weather turns sour. I don't track/race my cars so I can use all the help I can get trying to drive overpowered rwd cars year round!
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Posts: 10007 From: Marion Ohio Registered: Apr 2004
from what ive seen, you have to hold the brake while its parking and it gives you warnings and stuff if its going to fast. I think any reasonable person would hit the brakes if they think they are going to hit the car behind them.
As for tcs and active handling. They are incredible, I couldnt drive my vette in the rain without them. I agree that you should have a lot of driving skill, but if your going around a turn and it feels the yaw of the car isnt corresponding with the direction the wheel is turned, it will fix it. It gives me a lot of peace of mind if anything when the weather turns sour. I don't track/race my cars so I can use all the help I can get trying to drive overpowered rwd cars year round!
I doubt it, because the idiots driving it would be using the parking time to apply makeup, finish paperwork, or call 3 diffrent people on 2 cellphones. People are stupid, put them in a car and they get even dumber, give them the impression that the car will do something for them and they might as well be brain dead
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
I've been to Danny McKeever's Fastlane at Willow Springs for two days and Skip Barber's at Laguna Seca (because I wanted to drive open wheels before I die) as well as 3 years of the Evolution autocross school and more than a few track days and SCCA HPDE's. If you'd care to compare notes, I'm game. I think you'll find a lot of people on here with more racing and driving experience than you.
The words "a drivers car" don't go very well with needing abs, traction control, etc. A DRIVER already has all that programmed into his brain, when he/she is pushing hard, that is USING the driver's car at the limit. ABS, Traction Control, and things of that nature are there to AID people that don't have the proper skills ALL of the time, which is all of us since nobody is ever at the top of their game 100% of the time.
That said, you took your raping early when you bought the extended warranty. You still got raped, you just got raped before you broke down. Assuming you even paid for it seeing as how a couple weeks ago you were advertising to trade an Xbox360 for some work done on your Fiero. If you had the money (yourself) to BUY the Bimmer and pay the insurance as a (what, 19 year old??) then paying to get work done on your Fiero should be a minor thing, right?
I avoid your posts like the plague (like when you passed the "porschea" at 150 mph), but when you start telling everyone else that THEY don't know how to drive and that "YOU" paid for extended warranty on your Bimmer while you're trying to trade an Xbox360 for Fiero repairs is a bit hard to ignore.
John Stricker
im 23, i wasn't raped on any warentee. I earn my money and can spend it where i choose. I own my own business. and make plenty of money. the cost of the warentee was nothing to me.
i guess you didn't get the porshea thread. it was a joke about one of cali kids storys. apperently you didn't figure that out and took me serious?
the reason I offerd the xbox 360 for fiero repair work is i own over 5 cars. my fieros are on the very bottom of my give a **** about it list. one sits with low milage in storage. and the other has a blown head gasket. I don't play my xbox 360 anymore. so i made a offer to give it to someone that wanted to do some work on my car. does that mean I don't make over 100 thousand a year? no it means I no longer have a use for my xbox 360. and don't feel like acctualy putting any money into my fiero. because it isn't at the top of my prioritys.
yes and i am sure everyone else here in huntington beach, new port beach, hollywood, beverly hills, and malibu are all upset about being rapped on there bmw warentee's if only we all where smart enough to drive fieros like you huh? and u just discribed exactly what i was saying when u explained that no one was at the top of there game 100 percent of the time. so what are you trying to argue with me against? that u have more on skill track time? good for you, your older. you have had the time to do so. it wasn't a contest. it was asking tinton how much he had. "none" and he goes off on how bmw traction control is gay. guess what. you just said yourself no one is ever at the top of there game. and that, that system has and can save epoples lives.
and since this forum loves proof allow me to post some. so you don't have to ask. your all also to welcome some other members here that i hang out with. that i don't bullshit. I buy my own **** . with my own money. with business i opend myself. business 1 business 2 business license 530 m sport
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
I pulled fuses on my ABS and ESP....I can drive my own car without worrying about what the computer wants it to do...thank you. Ive been driving since 1960s and havent hit anything yet, although Ive had idiots with ABS and whatever run into me. Ive had wrecks on the racetrack (duhh) where no one is allowed to have any of that crap.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
I pulled fuses on my ABS and ESP....I can drive my own car without worrying about what the computer wants it to do...thank you. Ive been driving since 1960s and havent hit anything yet, although Ive had idiots with ABS and whatever run into me. Ive had wrecks on the racetrack (duhh) where no one is allowed to have any of that crap.
your also not tami the soccer mom taking her kids to practice that has never ben on a race track ether tho are you? would you recomend we take away traction control and abs for all the little tami soccer moms and what 80 percent of the rest of the population that uses a car to get just from point a to point b with no intrest in driving a car on a race track or any other sort of motorsport?
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
wait wait. you guys are right? what am i thinking! tecnology sucks! yes! yes! lets all go back to carb'd cars. with drum brakes and no power assist. technology scares me!
like it or not. no matter how well you drive. there are cars with traction systems that can hand you your ass. good example would be the skyline. a driver can't think over a million times a second and apply traction to each individual tire as it starts to lose it. with each individual brake.
there is traction control systems out there good enough now a days. and I am damn glad abs is around. because 80 percent of thepeople that don't know to relse the brake after its been locked up or do know and panic. it keeps them from sliding into my car.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
I completely agree. I didnt add that in because I would assume that the normal public would benefit and it didnt need repeated again.
That was the whole point of my argument.
that and that I don't feel I was raped on my bmw warentee considering how much people here dump into fieros and engine swaps. my money gave me peace of mind. even my wipers are coverd. lol and it was definitly well spent to me. i also would rather put my money into my bmw's then into my fieros, im just not as big a fiero guy as I am a bmw guy.
anyways no time left to argue with anyone else. I am driving off to louisiana for dirtbiking with some old friends! 1800 miles drive. i can make it in 28 hours if I don't stop.
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Quite possibly could change my opinion if I test drove one of these new BMWs. Im just baseing my statement on what I know as of right now from personal experience
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Quite possibly could change my opinion if I test drove one of these new BMWs. Im just baseing my statement on what I know as of right now from personal experience
If you ever take a vacation to hollywood or anywhere in socal, your welcome to stop by and thrash on one of mine so is tinton, since I don't think he has driven one to clearly make his statments. altho he did have a camaro with abs. but not even close to the same.
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Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: im 23, i wasn't raped on any warentee. I earn my money and can spend it where i choose. I own my own business. and make plenty of money. the cost of the warentee was nothing to me.
i guess you didn't get the porshea thread. it was a joke about one of cali kids storys. apperently you didn't figure that out and took me serious?
the reason I offerd the xbox 360 for fiero repair work is i own over 5 cars. my fieros are on the very bottom of my give a **** about it list. one sits with low milage in storage. and the other has a blown head gasket. I don't play my xbox 360 anymore. so i made a offer to give it to someone that wanted to do some work on my car. does that mean I don't make over 100 thousand a year? no it means I no longer have a use for my xbox 360. and don't feel like acctualy putting any money into my fiero. because it isn't at the top of my prioritys.
yes and i am sure everyone else here in huntington beach, new port beach, hollywood, beverly hills, and malibu are all upset about being rapped on there bmw warentee's if only we all where smart enough to drive fieros like you huh? and u just discribed exactly what i was saying when u explained that no one was at the top of there game 100 percent of the time. so what are you trying to argue with me against? that u have more on skill track time? good for you, your older. you have had the time to do so. it wasn't a contest. it was asking tinton how much he had. "none" and he goes off on how bmw traction control is gay. guess what. you just said yourself no one is ever at the top of there game. and that, that system has and can save epoples lives.
and since this forum loves proof allow me to post some. so you don't have to ask. your all also to welcome some other members here that i hang out with. that i don't bullshit. I buy my own **** . with my own money. with business i opend myself. business 1 business 2 business license 530 m sport
Hahahaha **** you. So what if you're 2 years older than me? Suddenly you're king of the racers and I'm a punk kid who only knows how to drive based off what I saw on F&F? Yeah, get your head out of your ass.
You have 5 cars and you're 23 years old? You can't even type straight, give me a ****ing break. You can't afford that **** , I bet your parents bought that BMW for you with the extended warranty. No wonder, you're probably some dumbass rich trust fund kid from California.
Traction control is gay. Fact. I speak nothing but truth here. If you're looking for performance driving, TCS, and stability control WILL hold you back. True, you can turn it off. But why have it in the first place? Because you can't drive worth **** in regular traffic?
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
I couldnt do burnouts and powerslides thru corners with ESP. It retarded throttle and applied brakes (not good in a high speed turn anyway). Burnouts with it felt like someone banging the rear end with a sledge hammer over and over until I let up. Those are both the reasons I like rwd V8s.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I don't care how old you are you still post like a spoiled child. Spend your money however you want, coming from Hollywood is certainly no guarantee that you spend your money wisely. Extended warranties are by and large a rip off. They have to be or the companies offering them would be out of business. It's the way it works. The premiums collected are greater than the money spent for repairs. What you're buying is peace of mind and that's only required if you think you're driving a car that is 1) very unreliable and will need service or 2) even routine service costs way out of proportion to the repairs of other cars.
As to your business..........well, whatever. At least you're employed and that's a good thing. I'm a little confused about a few things, though.
You have pictures of two different cars, as well as you've mentioned your Fieros. You aren't paying for those with a couple of sunglass kiosks, I guarantee that much.
You also have the kiosks in Washinton State but you live in the LA area. That's a hell of a commute, so you're paying employees. Again, whatever.
Yes, I understood your post was complete and utter BS in the thread about racing the "porshea". For it to be a joke it has to be funny. It wasn't.
What IS funny is how you seem to think that your car is a "drivers car" when it's a fairly anemic (considering it's price) 4 door with an automatic, abs, and traction control. Putting BMW on the front doesn't automatically make it a sports car.
My opinions of your car don't matter, though, as long as you like it. Likewise, your opinions of what *I* drive, own, and build don't matter to me either. I'd even put my wife's '98 Riviera up against your BMW (even though it has nearly 300,000 miles) and I'll bet you'd have to work your butt off to turn a quicker lap on a road course. And that's the least "sporty" car I own. We can work up from there.........
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Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: im 23, i wasn't raped on any warentee. I earn my money and can spend it where i choose. I own my own business. and make plenty of money. the cost of the warentee was nothing to me.
i guess you didn't get the porshea thread. it was a joke about one of cali kids storys. apperently you didn't figure that out and took me serious?
the reason I offerd the xbox 360 for fiero repair work is i own over 5 cars. my fieros are on the very bottom of my give a **** about it list. one sits with low milage in storage. and the other has a blown head gasket. I don't play my xbox 360 anymore. so i made a offer to give it to someone that wanted to do some work on my car. does that mean I don't make over 100 thousand a year? no it means I no longer have a use for my xbox 360. and don't feel like acctualy putting any money into my fiero. because it isn't at the top of my prioritys.
yes and i am sure everyone else here in huntington beach, new port beach, hollywood, beverly hills, and malibu are all upset about being rapped on there bmw warentee's if only we all where smart enough to drive fieros like you huh? and u just discribed exactly what i was saying when u explained that no one was at the top of there game 100 percent of the time. so what are you trying to argue with me against? that u have more on skill track time? good for you, your older. you have had the time to do so. it wasn't a contest. it was asking tinton how much he had. "none" and he goes off on how bmw traction control is gay. guess what. you just said yourself no one is ever at the top of there game. and that, that system has and can save epoples lives.
and since this forum loves proof allow me to post some. so you don't have to ask. your all also to welcome some other members here that i hang out with. that i don't bullshit. I buy my own **** . with my own money. with business i opend myself.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Hahahaha **** you. So what if you're 2 years older than me? Suddenly you're king of the racers and I'm a punk kid who only knows how to drive based off what I saw on F&F? Yeah, get your head out of your ass.
You have 5 cars and you're 23 years old? You can't even type straight, give me a ****ing break. You can't afford that **** , I bet your parents bought that BMW for you with the extended warranty. No wonder, you're probably some dumbass rich trust fund kid from California.
Traction control is gay. Fact. I speak nothing but truth here. If you're looking for performance driving, TCS, and stability control WILL hold you back. True, you can turn it off. But why have it in the first place? Because you can't drive worth **** in regular traffic?
your ass has never been on a race track, or even in a scca event. you sure know what your talking about you juast proved that.
trust fund kid? what because i live in california? sorry, my mom is only a registerd nurse. and she never gives me money. ever. i worked hard. i worked my way up from piss on employee to a manager. i bought myself a sportbike and other things i enjoyed. i got tired of watching other people make hundreds of thousands a year. so i sold some of my own things i paid for and opend my first kiosk. i used the profits from that. and bought out a second kiosk from another owner that was running it bad, and turned it around. now i make well over 100 thousand a year not including christmas months. of novemember and december. which rake in the most. i didn't have help from anyone. now im in louisiana opending my third busniness. sorry i didn't get help from my mom. i moved out when i was 18 and havnt had help from my mom since then. except i have stayed at her house a few times when in the area.
so don't tell me what u THINK I am or how i made my money. when u don't even know what the **** your talking about.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
I don't care how old you are you still post like a spoiled child. Spend your money however you want, coming from Hollywood is certainly no guarantee that you spend your money wisely. Extended warranties are by and large a rip off. They have to be or the companies offering them would be out of business. It's the way it works. The premiums collected are greater than the money spent for repairs. What you're buying is peace of mind and that's only required if you think you're driving a car that is 1) very unreliable and will need service or 2) even routine service costs way out of proportion to the repairs of other cars.
As to your business..........well, whatever. At least you're employed and that's a good thing. I'm a little confused about a few things, though.
You have pictures of two different cars, as well as you've mentioned your Fieros. You aren't paying for those with a couple of sunglass kiosks, I guarantee that much.
You also have the kiosks in Washinton State but you live in the LA area. That's a hell of a commute, so you're paying employees. Again, whatever.
Yes, I understood your post was complete and utter BS in the thread about racing the "porshea". For it to be a joke it has to be funny. It wasn't.
What IS funny is how you seem to think that your car is a "drivers car" when it's a fairly anemic (considering it's price) 4 door with an automatic, abs, and traction control. Putting BMW on the front doesn't automatically make it a sports car.
My opinions of your car don't matter, though, as long as you like it. Likewise, your opinions of what *I* drive, own, and build don't matter to me either. I'd even put my wife's '98 Riviera up against your BMW (even though it has nearly 300,000 miles) and I'll bet you'd have to work your butt off to turn a quicker lap on a road course. And that's the least "sporty" car I own. We can work up from there.........
John Stricker
do some reasearch on kiosks before u tell me how i paid for my cars. my kiosks paid for my cars. and alot more then that. and my locations arnt even close to the best. there is a kiosk in vegas that sells razzle dazzle jewelry cleaner and nets more then 90 thousand a month.
the mall of louisiana's sunglasses kiosk nets 30 thousand a month. my kiosks net only 12-15 a month. but the key is to have more then once.
my old boss randy imahoff owns 16 kiosks. in very good locations. he unlike me sticks with sunglasses. "i am branching out" he makes millions a year.
seen those new funny lookin slippers that look like sneakers? those dudes started out at the bottom and in about 6 months are making millions a year as well.
kiosk business are very profitable if u have decent locations and know what sells.
as for the 1999 rivera taking the bmw 530i m sport on a track? are u talking a car to car comparission. or just trying to brag that your such a good driver you could smoke me on the track in my bmw?
and yes I know its a automatic. I didn't buy it to race on the track. I didn't buy my fieros to engine swap them ether. the car was bought to drive. and happends to be a m spot package.
i have fell in love with bmw enough tho, that I am looking for a e36 m3. 5 speed. and a e46 m3 as future cars. ones that WILL be taken to the track.
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Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Hahahaha **** you. So what if you're 2 years older than me? Suddenly you're king of the racers and I'm a punk kid who only knows how to drive based off what I saw on F&F? Yeah, get your head out of your ass.
You have 5 cars and you're 23 years old? You can't even type straight, give me a ****ing break. You can't afford that **** , I bet your parents bought that BMW for you with the extended warranty. No wonder, you're probably some dumbass rich trust fund kid from California.
Traction control is gay. Fact. I speak nothing but truth here. If you're looking for performance driving, TCS, and stability control WILL hold you back. True, you can turn it off. But why have it in the first place? Because you can't drive worth **** in regular traffic?
i just saw you live with your grama? who is the one sucking of moms tit? or i mean grama's, where did i say i aqm the king of racers? do u act like this in person to people? no wonder your still a virgin.
Traction control is gay. Fact. I speak nothing but truth here. If you're looking for performance driving, TCS, and stability control WILL hold you back. True, you can turn it off. But why have it in the first place? Because you can't drive worth **** in regular traffic?[/QUOTE] why have it in the first place? read my firsts posts. because not everyone wants to learn to performance drive. they just wanna go to work. thats why have it.
same reason u can turn it off. they give you the choice.
i love how u make up **** about how i live off my mom without even knowing anything about me or bothering to look up my privous posts. yet you drive a fiero, live at ur grama's and sold a camaro you have admited in previous posts you didn't fully even pay for yourself. or pay for at all? to fund your project.
before u go ranting about how shitty traction control is and how it cant save lives. which it already has. ask grama for some money and go to a driving school, and stop pausing and rewinding tokyo drift.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 39092 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
there is a kiosk in vegas that sells razzle dazzle jewelry cleaner and nets more then 90 thousand a month.
the mall of louisiana's sunglasses kiosk nets 30 thousand a month. my kiosks net only 12-15 a month.
On the rare occasion I venture into a mall, the only people I usually see at a kiosk are the bored employees who look like they wish they were elsewhere.
Hard to imagine that a fortune can be made selling jewelry cleaner or sunglasses at a kiosk (or two). What are they really selling at these kiosks?
why have it in the first place? read my firsts posts. because not everyone wants to learn to performance drive. they just wanna go to work. thats why have it.
same reason u can turn it off. they give you the choice.
i love how u make up **** about how i live off my mom without even knowing anything about me or bothering to look up my privous posts. yet you drive a fiero, live at ur grama's and sold a camaro you have admited in previous posts you didn't fully even pay for yourself. or pay for at all? to fund your project.
before u go ranting about how shitty traction control is and how it cant save lives. which it already has. ask grama for some money and go to a driving school, and stop pausing and rewinding tokyo drift.
First off, I haven't lived with my Grandmother in a year, so STFU.
I paid for my Sidekick, both of my Fieros, and my Camaro by myself. That's approximately $30,000 worth of cars. Not the best by any means, hell you overpaid for some piece of **** weak BMW with granny-controls because you can't drive.
TCS can save lives, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO ****ING DRIVE! People drove for many years without it, if you learn how to not lose traction in dangerous situations, you can drive a car that's not equipped with TCS just fine. The traction control is just added assurance, and if you're looking for any kind of performance driving, its a handicap.
With my graduation from High School, I had the option of going to Panoz Racing School here at Road Atlanta, or going to Switzerland to ski. These were graduation gifts from my Aunt. I chose to go skiing, because I wanted to travel overseas and see the world. Just because I haven't been on a track, doesn't mean **** with my experience with stability control systems. They limit you when you're driving for performance, and in regular day-to-day its possible to get along without them just fine.
As I think I've said before, I am not into street racing or drifting or any of that crap. I didn't even see Tokyo Drift until it was at the dollar theater here, and I don't have it or any of the other F&F in my DVD collection. Sorry, I'm not a wannabe boy-racer like you.
That's bullshit that you're able to make that much money off ****ing sunglass kiosks. Where did you get the money to buy them? WTF, did you go work at McDonalds for 5 years and saved up the money to buy them? You received help from someone down the line, you haven't even mentioned your Father yet. I bet he financed your little business ventures.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
First off, I haven't lived with my Grandmother in a year, so STFU.
I paid for my Sidekick, both of my Fieros, and my Camaro by myself. That's approximately $30,000 worth of cars. Not the best by any means, hell you overpaid for some piece of **** weak BMW with granny-controls because you can't drive.
TCS can save lives, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO ****ING DRIVE! People drove for many years without it, if you learn how to not lose traction in dangerous situations, you can drive a car that's not equipped with TCS just fine. The traction control is just added assurance, and if you're looking for any kind of performance driving, its a handicap.
With my graduation from High School, I had the option of going to Panoz Racing School here at Road Atlanta, or going to Switzerland to ski. These were graduation gifts from my Aunt. I chose to go skiing, because I wanted to travel overseas and see the world. Just because I haven't been on a track, doesn't mean **** with my experience with stability control systems. They limit you when you're driving for performance, and in regular day-to-day its possible to get along without them just fine.
As I think I've said before, I am not into street racing or drifting or any of that crap. I didn't even see Tokyo Drift until it was at the dollar theater here, and I don't have it or any of the other F&F in my DVD collection. Sorry, I'm not a wannabe boy-racer like you.
That's bullshit that you're able to make that much money off ****ing sunglass kiosks. Where did you get the money to buy them? WTF, did you go work at McDonalds for 5 years and saved up the money to buy them? You received help from someone down the line, you haven't even mentioned your Father yet. I bet he financed your little business ventures.
my dad left us when we where 2, i havnt seen him in many years. go look up the sunglasses business before u tell me how much money is made dumb **** . the lowest net amount i hqave ever seen at a mall kiosk was 3000 a month in the shittiest mall i have seen in my life. did u not read above? i got the money to start my first business by selling my sport bike, which i paid for as i worked at a manager at a sunglass hut where i learned the ins and outs of the business.
look how stupid you make yourself sound when u try and tell me what mine and other kiosks make. go look it up before you open your moth about somthing you know nothing about. LOOK IT UP. if they din't make good money why the **** is there a sunglass kiosk in ever mall some have more then one per mall. in almost every mall in america. why are there so many kiosks peroid? malls are packed with them for a reason. think about that before u go off telling me how much my kiosks dont make, yes thats why i drive around in bmw's that u call shitty. when your driving a 80's econo shitbox. yes bmw's are just such crap. and why do you keep using me as a example? and keep acting like i said i was some super racer? stop spouting off stuff i didn't say and stick to the subject. and like i said before 100 times. not everyone wants to learn to perofmrance drive. and tcs have and will continue to save there lives. keep talking **** on them tho, considering you have never driven a car with one im sure you know everything your talking about.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
First off, I haven't lived with my Grandmother in a year, so STFU.
I paid for my Sidekick, both of my Fieros, and my Camaro by myself. That's approximately $30,000 worth of cars. Not the best by any means, hell you overpaid for some piece of **** weak BMW with granny-controls because you can't drive.
TCS can save lives, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO ****ING DRIVE! People drove for many years without it, if you learn how to not lose traction in dangerous situations, you can drive a car that's not equipped with TCS just fine. The traction control is just added assurance, and if you're looking for any kind of performance driving, its a handicap.
With my graduation from High School, I had the option of going to Panoz Racing School here at Road Atlanta, or going to Switzerland to ski. These were graduation gifts from my Aunt. I chose to go skiing, because I wanted to travel overseas and see the world. Just because I haven't been on a track, doesn't mean **** with my experience with stability control systems. They limit you when you're driving for performance, and in regular day-to-day its possible to get along without them just fine.
As I think I've said before, I am not into street racing or drifting or any of that crap. I didn't even see Tokyo Drift until it was at the dollar theater here, and I don't have it or any of the other F&F in my DVD collection. Sorry, I'm not a wannabe boy-racer like you.
That's bullshit that you're able to make that much money off ****ing sunglass kiosks. Where did you get the money to buy them? WTF, did you go work at McDonalds for 5 years and saved up the money to buy them? You received help from someone down the line, you haven't even mentioned your Father yet. I bet he financed your little business ventures.
yes, i can't drive because one of my cars is a automatic. nevermind my fiero, my srt-4 my fierbird formula my miata, ect. ect. where all standerds. nevermind i have tracked a 150 hp yamaha 1000cc literbike, that most people including u can't even ride off on without lopping or wrecking. nevermind all the scca racing events i have been in. no tinton. your little youtube video of you doing a bunrout in your automatic camaro was real driving!
thank you for telling me how my business ventures can't buy me the bmw's I already own.
hows yours going? since this has turned into a personal insult each other thread because you KNOW for a FACT that abs and bmw's are piles of **** . and that your such a great driver. please tell me how your business venutres are going. also please explain to me. how you paid for your camaro all by yourself without grama's help. i just posted proof of mine. "business liceinse showing I own a business. pictures of my business's if i wasn't in louisiana 1800 miles away from my file cabnit I woulde post a picture of my earning on a monday. when I am done opning my current kiosk out here. I will gladley post a picture of sales summery, credit card machine batch files. please feel free to show me the proof of you paying for your own camaro. fact is. you didn't pay for it by yourself. where do you work again??
Of course a fortune can be amassed with a couple of mall kiosks. I read it on the "internets", it must be so.
If only Sam Walton had known he wouldn't have had to build all those darn big Wal Mart buildings................... Steve Jobs would have never had to leave his parents garage............... Warren Buffett would have been rich a long time ago...(oh, wait, he was, and I'll bet he never owned a sunglass OR jewelry cleaner kiosk)...........
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On the rare occasion I venture into a mall, the only people I usually see at a kiosk are the bored employees who look like they wish they were elsewhere.
Hard to imagine that a fortune can be made selling jewelry cleaner or sunglasses at a kiosk (or two). What are they really selling at these kiosks?
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Mr. Pat Member
Posts: 1860 From: Melbourne, VIC Australia Registered: Apr 2003
Of course a fortune can be amassed with a couple of mall kiosks. I read it on the "internets", it must be so.
If only Sam Walton had known he wouldn't have had to build all those darn big Wal Mart buildings................... Steve Jobs would have never had to leave his parents garage............... Warren Buffett would have been rich a long time ago...(oh, wait, he was, and I'll bet he never owned a sunglass OR jewelry cleaner kiosk)...........
John Stricker
Thats an assanine thing to say. there is so much money to be made out there it would blow your mind how simple it is. He obviously found a niche and it seems to be working out great for him.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
No it's not assinine at all. Anyone that believes the claims he's making of his NET INCOME is simply not thinking through the numbers. $15k/mo is $180K per year that he claims is his NET INCOME. You tell me you believe someone with two sunglass kiosks is making $180K/year and I have some frigging beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
You've seen the kiosks, they basically sell junk. Designer knockoffs at cheap prices. at 100% markup on a $25 pair of glasses you figure out how many pairs he has to sell a day. AND pay his help. AND pay his rent to the mall. AND pay his taxes. AND pay his incoming freight. AND AND AND..............
Give me a break. I used to do business analysis for a living.
I'm not saying he doesn't have them. I'm not even saying he's not making some money. But if you were making $180K/year, would you be driving used BMW family cars at 23 years old? Not on your life. Good luck to him, and I really mean that, but there's been plenty of BS spread around here for one thread and it's mostly been coming from Trevor.
John Stricker
Oh, and Trevor, I'll let my WIFE beat your Bimmer in the Riv.
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Originally posted by Mr. Pat: Thats an assanine thing to say. there is so much money to be made out there it would blow your mind how simple it is. He obviously found a niche and it seems to be working out great for him.
