"Urgent news from Abu Dawood, one of the newly appointed commanders of the al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan:
Final preparations have been made for the American Hiroshima, a major attack on the U. S."
This story has been mentioned Twice in other threads with out any response other than one person providing links to other sources for the story. What's with this? does nobody around here care? hmmmm.
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Posts: 5907 From: Grain Valley, MO Registered: May 2005
Where do you see the word "nuke" in the article lol.
Try one of these, Thought most were familiar enough with what is going on that they realizes what the article was about, might have to back up to a previous days story. It was on one of these and some of the more major news providers a few days ago. These links were thoughtfully provided by loafergt.
I really think if these crack heads had a nuke, they'd use it on Israel first. Then that would be the END of the terrorists. God has no fury like Israel unleashed!
But, if they did hit us. Same thing, bada bing bada BOOM all over the middle east.
Could they be that stupid? Bush would do it.
I really doubt their capability. Part of terrorism is also the impending THREAT of terror. It gets you off balance and afraid. If we live in fear, they win.
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Bigfieroman Member
Posts: 2416 From: Pleasant Hills, PA, near Pittsburgh Registered: Nov 2000
Worrying about what might happen isn't going to do anything, it's not like you will be inspired to go searching for bombs because you read an article.
All these stupid-ass threads on terrorist bullshit only do one thing-instill terror. You don't need a weapon to be a terrorist, you can do it with words almost as well as with actions.
I don't care how many reports on an imminent attack come out of the wood work, I don't give a **** . They are written for 2 reasons: for publicity and with the hope that they can be the one who "tried to warn the country" on the off chance the **** really does go down.
Its the same reason I don't even read ANY of proff's posts or threads; on the off chance a flaming rock is hurtling towards earth, WTF am I going to do about it?
One of my professors mentioned he heard something on Glen Beck, about Al Qaeda having a nuclear weapon smuggled in from mexico or something... They'll probably hit Disney World.
Oh well... when I see the bright light, I'll duck and cover.
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
exactly. this thread would be much more helpful if there was actualy some information..... I'm not saying it can't happen, or won't happen...... I can tell you right now, with 100% certainty that you will die. time & place really helps, eh?
The bottom line is that there's not a great deal that any individual can do about it. 9/11 was a sucker punch. We're much more vigilant, now. I'm hoping that our intelligence community is on top of things. They seem to have a pretty good record since 9/11. I believe that most of what we're hearing from the Arab mouthpieces is propaganda. One thing the Arab people are famous for is bluster, whether they have the capability to make good on their threats or not. Think about that statement.
And if something happens to get through, then people will die. The rest of us will deal with it in one way or another, as we always have.
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cliffw Member
Posts: 35940 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
What ? You didn't believe Baghdad Bob ? The Information Minister.
Aw cripes! I had actually forgotten about him. He's the personification of the attitude, in a "twisted caricature" sort of way. I was talking about this in a more general sense. It's the same old bla-bla-bla.
And if something happens to get through, then people will die. The rest of us will deal with it in one way or another, as we always have.
That is an unfortunate but entirely true statement. I guess we will take another for the team before acting.
Frankly what I would like to see is a fight fire with fire approach and simply state that in the event even ONE of these bombs were to detonate we will completely level multiple mid eastern cities. And make good on the threat. I have in another post said strike first. Either of these approaches might light a fire under the governments/dictators to actually help us get these guys or deal with them themselves, which would be preferred.
What kinda sparked this thread off for me is constantly reading about tying the hands of intelligence agencies to gather info, the latest being the wiretap issue. Move two squares and people scream that not enough was done or they got the wrong guy. This has certainly been said about the 911 threat recently.
I do not pretend to have an absolute answer for any of this, well I do but everyone would die :-o . Just figured the subject is worth bantering back and forth.
All these stupid-ass threads on terrorist bullshit only do one thing-instill terror. You don't need a weapon to be a terrorist, you can do it with words almost as well as with actions.
Well you certainly do not have to care.
People also do not need to be scared by threats and information, either true or false. A heightened level of awareness is a very good thing though.
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fierogtowner Member
Posts: 1610 From: Tampa, Florida, United States of America Registered: Aug 2005
"taking one for the team before acting" isn't really a fair statement. We are doing quite a bit to prevent future attacks, but you have to understand that there WILL be another successful attack on U.S. soil. It's only a matter of time. You need to get used to that idea. No amount of police, Homeland Security, wiretaps, or military action will prevent it. Even a totalitarian police state with zero personal freedom and secret police on every corner wouldn't be able to stop it. They can try over and over and over until they succeed. All they need to do is succeed once. To prevent an attack, we have to successfully block their attacks 100% of the time. No defense is 100% perfect.
I can appreciate your position, Red, but it would backfire. I've thought in the past we should make it publically known that if an Islamic group attacks the U.S., we'll nuke Mecca and Medina and wipe them both from the face of the planet.
All this would do; however, is enrage Muslims and even if they didn't attack, a non-Muslim would - just to see if we'd make good on our threat. If we don't, we're all talk and no action If we do, it would ignite a war between Islam and "everybody else" that wouldn't end until one side or the other was completely annihilated.
My concern about personal freedoms vs. security is tempered by the knowledge that we will never be completely safe. I'd rather live with an acceptable risk and keep my freedoms than give them up for a false sense of security.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
In a sick, twisted way, I'd like to see a nuke attack on the US... just so I can have the pleasure of watching the entire Middle East get turned into a radioactive parking lot live on CNN.
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fierogtowner Member
Posts: 1610 From: Tampa, Florida, United States of America Registered: Aug 2005
Originally posted by Formula88: "taking one for the team before acting" isn't really a fair statement. We are doing quite a bit to prevent future attacks, but you have to understand that there WILL be another successful attack on U.S. soil. It's only a matter of time. You need to get used to that idea. No amount of police, Homeland Security, wiretaps, or military action will prevent it. Even a totalitarian police state with zero personal freedom and secret police on every corner wouldn't be able to stop it. They can try over and over and over until they succeed. All they need to do is succeed once. To prevent an attack, we have to successfully block their attacks 100% of the time. No defense is 100% perfect.
Well put, I will add that I have never thought that we had enough security ( I do not mean for me personally). I have always thought an open boarder policy is ludicrous. As far as air travel goes I think after 911 all they need to do is look for bombs, lock the cockpit. People will no longer sit back and take it, so to me problem solved there.
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Originally posted by Formula88: I can appreciate your position, Red, but it would backfire. I've thought in the past we should make it publically known that if an Islamic group attacks the U.S., we'll nuke Mecca and Medina and wipe them both from the face of the planet.
All this would do; however, is enrage Muslims and even if they didn't attack, a non-Muslim would - just to see if we'd make good on our threat. If we don't, we're all talk and no action If we do, it would ignite a war between Islam and "everybody else" that wouldn't end until one side or the other was completely annihilated.
Another good point but I am hoping our intelligence agencies can sort out who done it. The threat might be effective at forcing action, I suppose it would not have to be a made public threat either. If we wait we still have to figure out who did it before we strike, realistically. Enrage Muslims? heheh sorry I think they are there already. The last statement almost seems inevitable, unfortunately, it might be nice to fight that scenario while we can still win though.
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Originally posted by Formula88: My concern about personal freedoms vs. security is tempered by the knowledge that we will never be completely safe. I'd rather live with an acceptable risk and keep my freedoms than give them up for a false sense of security.
Yes I know we will never be completely safe, never have never will. I have most always taken the stance that freedom has a price. Sometimes that is a kid getting a hold of a hand gun and shooting his buddy or going off and shooting up a school. I still want to be free to own my guns and taking that legal right away will not stop the insane, stupid, or criminal, well maybe the stupid ones but that is part of the price, plus more people are saved by legal guns than killed anyway, hmmm maybe not the best example. I do not hold the idea that somebody can listen to my inane phone conversations in the same light though, or a good border security. I just do not see that as a freedom infringement.
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cliffw Member
Posts: 35940 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by Formula88: I've thought in the past we should make it publically known that if an Islamic group attacks the U.S., we'll nuke Mecca and Medina and wipe them both from the face of the planet.
All this would do; however, is enrage Muslims and even if they didn't attack..........
However, terror works both ways. No doubt about it, we have the capacity to be more terrible than they do. Were they to believe that we would, it would curtail a lot of the BS. I personally liked the way Israel bulldozed the homes of the families of suicide bombers. They may think they are getting 70 virgins but I know they care about their families living in he11. If it did enrage Muslims, that might be a good thing. I am nieve enough to believe that most Muslims do not support the actions of the radicals. Well, maybe out of terror themselves. The answer I think, is for Muslims to take care of this problem. Or perish.
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Originally posted by Red88FF: Frankly what I would like to see is a fight fire with fire approach and simply state that in the event even ONE of these bombs were to detonate we will completely level multiple mid eastern cities. And make good on the threat. I have in another post said strike first. Either of these approaches might light a fire under the governments/dictators to actually help us get these guys or deal with them themselves, which would be preferred.
I too, appreciate your opinion. As you see, I share it. Maybe it is working. There are no numbers but....I wonder how many were dissuaded from suicide bombings when their surviving family members homes were bulldozed? How many countries are with us with this war on terror because we said "you are with us or against us"? Especially after we took down two governments/countries? How many are just paying lip service? No doubt in my mind, this "human shield" thing is weakly voluntary. Maybe they do have a lack of information. Fueled by propaganda (and fear). But would you stick around if you knew death was coming. If innocents die, it supports their propoganda. Any innocent death has to be prevented and not because it would support their propaganda. Which is why we can not just level Mecca. If we warn the innocents to get out, well, evacuate do the terrorists also. They meld in with the innocents. Which is why the answer must come from the "inside", from the innocents. You allow some one to deal drugs from your house, you are going down. Now, as far as them retreating into mosques, level it. Four times over. This ain't a kids game where you get a "free spot".
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cccharlie Member
Posts: 2006 From: North Smithfield, RI Registered: Jan 2003
Now, as far as them retreating into mosques, level it. Four times over. This ain't a kids game where you get a "free spot".
Absolutely attack them there. They have been attacking synagogs and Christian churches for decades. They have shown THEY have no respect for Holy ground!
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
We should have made Iraq a glowing hole in the ground years ago. Terrorists wont nuke Israel because its in their own backyard. What idiot blows up their own backyard...........oh I forgot were talking muslims here, they would. Sorry to say a bomb going off in the US is the only thing left to make us finish the deal. I just hope its far away and not upwind of Ohio. It will be easy then to retaliate since all the democrats will be hiding in basements. LOL.
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"Urgent news from Abu Dawood, one of the newly appointed commanders of the al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan:
Final preparations have been made for the American Hiroshima, a major attack on the U. S."
This story has been mentioned Twice in other threads with out any response other than one person providing links to other sources for the story. What's with this? does nobody around here care? hmmmm.
Plenty of us care, but few that really believe it.. Scare tactics are part of terrorism.
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htexans1 Member
Posts: 9110 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
Back during the 1950s, the schools had a film teaching kids to duck down and cover their heads when they seen the flash of nukes going off. it was a part of what made the 50s so funny when you see it today. But back then it was serious business. S. Williams
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Back during the 1950s, the schools had a film teaching kids to duck down and cover their heads when they seen the flash of nukes going off. it was a part of what made the 50s so funny when you see it today. But back then it was serious business. S. Williams
Wasn't just the 50's. I remember it in the early 70's, too. It wasn't always a bomb drill. Sometimes it was a tornado drill. Different name, same routine. Sure, it didn't give any real safety (except maybe for a tornado), but it kept the kids occupied and got them in a group. Easier to keep them under control if they're not panicking as much, and easier to recover the bodies if you know where to expect them.
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2farnorth Member
Posts: 3402 From: Leonard, Tx. USA Registered: Feb 2001
Frankly what I would like to see is a fight fire with fire approach and simply state that in the event even ONE of these bombs were to detonate we will completely level multiple mid eastern cities. And make good on the threat. I have in another post said strike first. Either of these approaches might light a fire under the governments/dictators to actually help us get these guys or deal with them themselves, which would be preferred.
Unfortunatly the people that are doing these things have no percieved fear of dying. They think their own death for the cause will put them in a better place and situation. That's why the kamikaze's in world war II were so fearsome. Threatening them and their families with death has very little effect .
By the way---- if all these dead terrorist men get all those virgins....what do the terrorist women get?
Dave
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
i'm kind of torn about this. on the one hand, i very much want to avoid the "collateral damage" (death of innocents) that a serious response would entail. on the other hand, we need to make it crystal clear to the entire muslim world (and north korea, for that matter) that detonating a nuclear weapon on US soil would result in massive, and regrettably indiscriminate, response in kind. something like this:
Dear persons of muslim faith:
we'd really rather not hurt you, but you tolerate a disease among you. unfortunately, sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice innocents to save the whole. your co-religionists have repeatedly threatened to, and have now, detonated nuclear weapons on US territory. we give you 12 hours to consider your error. at the end of the 12 hours, those of you left alive will have to pray to a radioactive hole in the ground instead of a rock. make peace with your god.
thank you for your attention, and enjoy your afterlife.
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Joe Torma Member
Posts: 3485 From: Hillsborough, NJ USA Registered: Jul 2001
I usually don't post in these types of threads, but I don't know about you guys, but every time I watch the news I get depressed for days. I suppose this is terror, eh?
Anyway...I've been watching Glenn Beck a lot lately(probably too much), and while he has WWIII-itis, he seems to provide some good info, and isn't afraid to speak out. Apparently this is a guy to be looking out for in reguards to the smuggling of the stuff from Mexico. http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/elshukrijumah.htm
I'll agree that there's not too much one can do if it happens.
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tutnkmn Member
Posts: 3426 From: York, England, U.K. Living in Ohio Registered: May 2006
