ok i have met two other pre-op transexuals before. one wasn't much to look at but another was very attractive. if you didn't know it was a man you would have never guessed.

today i met a post-op. she has had facial surgery for the jaw bones/chin, is on hormones and has small breasts and has had the, um, how do you say, uh, no longer has a penis. she showed me pics of before, during and after the "transformation". she's kinda scary looking, but if she hadn't told me i would have thought she was just an ugly woman. (sorry being honest).

the reason i'm posting this is why did she have to tell me all this? she is an employee and as long as you do your job i don't care about race, sex, color, creed. just do your job and i'll be happy and treat you equally as shi##y as everyone else.

i know that someone going through this procedure has to have psychological counceling so is this something that the shrink tells them to talk about? or does she just think i should know? i just thought it was kind of weird and not something that i needed to know for a working relationship.

Meh, I've met a couple in a bar. It's a non-issue.. Don't worry about it.

quote Originally posted by sostock: the reason i'm posting this is why did she have to tell me all this? she is an employee and as long as you do your job i don't care about race, sex, color, creed. just do your job and i'll be happy and treat you equally as shi##y as everyone else. i know that someone going through this procedure has to have psychological counceling so is this something that the shrink tells them to talk about? or does she just think i should know? i just thought it was kind of weird and not something that i needed to know for a working relationship.

She has the hots for you.

Some people just want to tell you their life stories, I guess...

now you've met 2.
hello
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quote Originally posted by TorqueWench: now you've met 2. hello ^_^

Cool
sostock, some may be looking for affirmation of their personhood.

Hello.
Now you have met 3.
I can show you my before and afters as well.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: Seriously tho. Isn't this where smooth went.

you mean the smoooooth GT, he removed the long (and short) molding (along with screws and some nuts) and smoothed it all out?

Trannies confuse the ever lovin' hell out of me. If you're a dude get swaped over to a chick and shag dudes does that make you gay? If you shag a post-op tranny does that make you gay? If your a female and shag with a post-op female are you a lebian?

Not trying to be rude but I just don't know how to figure that stuff out.

yeah its weird. the hot trans that i knew would still have sex with her ex-wife. the one i met tonight was following me around the lot like a puppy dog. god damn refer ran out of fuel and i had to fuel it and prime it, PITA.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Trannies confuse the ever lovin' hell out of me. If you're a dude get swaped over to a chick and shag dudes does that make you gay? If you shag a post-op tranny does that make you gay? If your a female and shag with a post-op female are you a lebian? Not trying to be rude but I just don't know how to figure that stuff out.

You don't know how to figure out if you're gay or not?

The only time I have ever seen a tranny is by clicking the wrong link while surfing pr0n. Not that I do that of course. Oh crap did I just say that out load?

Even for OT I think this a first of it's kind thread for pff

I just love how sostock keeps refering to a transvestite as hot.

There some some realy hot trannies out there I've been all "damn I'd hit that" only to find out that its not a woman. Or is it? X's and Y's aside.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: I just love how sostock keeps refering to a transvestite as hot.

Transvestite is not the same as transsexual.

One just bluffs, the other goes all in.

ouch

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quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: I just love how sostock keeps refering to a transvestite as hot.

hey she was well maintained! thing is about a person that has reversed sexes is that they pay attention to every detail of themselves. right diet, exercise, hair, make up, clothes. she really was hot and i bet 9/10 of ya wouldn't of know.

too bad she was still into girls or i might have better tales to tell.

what the fu*ck?

some things we just dont need to knwo dude.

So your saying you would hit that **** ?
I dunno how some of you could do it. Even if lets say angelina jolie turned out to be a guy this whole time. And then I was suddenly offerd the chance to sleep with her. I don't think I could do it. Knowing that they used to be a man. Dunno why. Just have this little feeling inside me saying. That's so wrong and disgusting. No matter how good they would look. I guess u all just don't have that voice.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: So your saying you would hit that **** ? I dunno how some of you could do it. Even if lets say angelina jolie turned out to be a guy this whole time. And then I was suddenly offerd the chance to sleep with her. I don't think I could do it. Knowing that they used to be a man. Dunno why. Just have this little feeling inside me saying. That's so wrong and disgusting. No matter how good they would look. I guess u all just don't have that voice.

same here 100% lol

Angalina Jolie isn't that hot. Why does every one use her as an architype for the female form.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: So your saying you would hit that **** ? I dunno how some of you could do it. Even if lets say angelina jolie turned out to be a guy this whole time. And then I was suddenly offerd the chance to sleep with her. I don't think I could do it. Knowing that they used to be a man. Dunno why. Just have this little feeling inside me saying. That's so wrong and disgusting. No matter how good they would look. I guess u all just don't have that voice.

As a UPS deliveryman I meet all kinds, theres a guy in his late 60's that works part time at the golf shop on the local golf course, the pros all joke around with him, but he tells his storys about when he was younger and he was drunk and used to get it on with trannys
he always says, a hole is a hole is a hole.
not my cup of tea, he reminds me of that pr0n mag with the cartoon chesster thhe chhild mollester (intentionally spelled incorrectly)

I had tranny problems all the time. I cant seem to get my Fiero to stay in 5th gear then i discovered wait, its an auto. (LOL) sorry wrong thread.
S.Wiliams
Mabye I should have stayed in GFC... lol

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quote Originally posted by Phranc: Angalina Jolie isn't that hot. Why does every one use her as an architype for the female form.

Yeah, but you still can't tell men from women, so you're not really qualified to say who is and isn't hot.

sostock... you should start a Girls without (|) thread lol
Just messin with ya!

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Angalina Jolie isn't that hot. Why does every one use her as an architype for the female form.

Whatever... as if Pamela Anderson is... To quote Cleveland, "that's just nasty..."

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Meh, I've met a couple in a bar. It's a non-issue.. Don't worry about it.

one night stands?

Funky Cold Medina

quote Originally posted by sostock: hey she was well maintained! thing is about a person that has reversed sexes is that they pay attention to every detail of themselves. right diet, exercise, hair, make up, clothes. she really was hot and i bet 9/10 of ya wouldn't of know.

I noticed you keep using the pronoun "she"...I wonder how many real women find that offensive.

The person to whom you refer is not a woman, but a chemically altered, surgically mutilated, psychologically deficient male.

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my wife works in an OBGYN clynic, there are alot of "them" out there
some even go as far as getting there yearly exam done even though its completley not nessassary just because it makes he/she seem more like a woman

dosent bother me, either way

quote Originally posted by $Rich$: some even go as far as getting there yearly exam done even though its completley not nessassary just because it makes he/she seem more like a woman

The "Southpark" episode where Mr. Garrison gets a new cooch?
Fuuuuuuuuuunny!

Male and Female aren't always black and white issues, there are people that have the extra chromosones, are born a mix of sexes. I feel for those with gender identity issues as well as sexual identity issues (as opposed to feeling them... oh that was bad). Like someone has quoted, if sexual identity is a choice why on earth would anyone choose to be gay considering all the consequences. Same thought taken out to an extreme goes for gender identity. Feeling the need to go under the knife for a bunch of expensive medical procedures isn't something someone just does on a whim and most transexuals aren't going to come out as top models of the opposite sex. Without having any personal insight into the situation, I'd have to say it's all for themselves... they are people who feel the outside just doesn't match the inside. There are more of them out there post op or pre final op than most people realise, just living pretty normal lives. I suspect there are so many prostituting/doing **** because that surgery isn't cheap.

About 12 years ago I played in pinball tournaments and one of the other players was a transexual. I only knew because she was also a customer of the auto repair shop I ran and had to explain the photo id she had of herself as a very handsome man. Never came up otherwise...

Also met a male to female in progress that Dj'd karoake and played in our dart league. Over a year or more, it became pretty obvious as the hormones started taking effect and he changed to more feminine attire. I can't imagine how tough it is for someone in that public of a position to go through that experience with all their friends and associates watching the transformation. The bar he ran the karoake at was a sailor type bar on the waterfront, pretty tough crowd to be hanging out with when your doing something like that.

Since the sex change and sexual attraction are seperate, I have no idea how it effects their chances of a happy love life. A friend of mines mother had a family male friend that was secretly in love with her go through a male/female sex change, and then confessed her love as a lesbian. Probably would have had a shot (my friend's mom was divorced) had she stayed a man.

Interesting program sometimes came on discovery or one of those channels about transgendered people. There are way more people born with blended sexes than most people know. It's hushed up in the US as doctors decide on a gender and then operate and force hormone treatments on the poor kids to enforce that choice as they age. Some places embrace the difference as a blessing and let them just live their lives as whichever sex they choose when and if they decide to choose instead of forcing operations on them. There was an interesting case of a baby born with mixed sexes where the kid grew up as a girl by choice and at puberty switched over to male as the bodies hormones changed... but no surgery ever forced or chosen, still mixed on the sex organs.

One interesting story was the guy who took a bet as a straight guy to get breast implants. Had to have them for a year for a $100K. Took the bet, won the bet... didn't have them removed, he was getting laid to much. Said straight women were fasinated by them. Not sure if this link is considered NWS... http://www.maximonline.com/articles/index.aspx?a_id=6641 It does show man installed boobs. Still has them 8 years later.

I used to work for an alarm company here in town.
There were so many homosexuals there we called it “Gay D T”
And there was all different levels there.
plan old homosexuals, Transvestites, pre op transsexuals, and post ops.

From my experience the pre ops were the ones that the most attractive. I guess after they get the nip and tuck they let themselves go down hill.

I don’t remember the out come but I know there was a scandal about which rest rooms the pre ops were allowed to use.

I say do your own thing. But just like the old guy with prostate problems, I don’t want to hear about it.

quote Originally posted by TorqueWench: now you've met 2. hello ^_^

You guys are a bunch of knuckleheads. TorqueWench is a transexual, maybe if you have questions, she would gladly answer them.
She has always been open on the forum about it, but, apparently, none of you ever read what she posted, or maybe it doesn't sink in.
Me, I don't know how they feel, I'm just glad that I was born a female that likes males, it makes my life a whole heck of a lot easier.
As for TorqueWench, I couldn't imagine the thought and the inner battle that he had to put into making such a bold move.

And as for calling them a girl, she has girl parts now, she lives like a girl, why wouldn't I call her a girl?
Hell, she even posted her picture, and some of you guys liked her ass.......

TorqueWench, if you are reading this, I'm sure that what people say gets to you at times. I think you must be stronger than heck to face life so fully.

You go girl!!

Edited to add: I've always been curious about this TW, if you were a guy and you liked girls, why the change? (I would have thought it would be easier for you to stay a guy) You live with your girlfriend don't you? You don't have to answer, I've just been curious about that. You can tell me to go and eff myself if you don't like the question. It's just that you've been open, and I was curious. The internet is a wonderful thing, I would have never asked you this to your face. Well, maybe I would have if I knew you better, or at all for that matter.

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I joke about stuff sometimes, but It's all "lighthearted"...

To each, their own.

Whatever ya hafta do to make yerself feel "yourself" that doesn't involve unwilling people is ok by me. I've had gay friends, and I met a few trannies, none of them were "bad people", never heard any of 'em have a desire to start wars, eat babies or anything...


But talkin' about this stuff in a car forum... may end up gettin' a bit nasty.

-FR

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if a transvestite lives that way, i'm not talking about a weekend cross dresser. but really lives the lifestyle, then i call them what ever they are living by.

maybe i'm a fag hag trapped in a mans body.
naw, i could never be gay. i wouldn't want to mess with plucking my eye brows

Some of the dancers I know have introduced me to a few. More than one was VERY attractive and would prob put a lot of your gfs to shame. No there not women, but they can sure pass easily for one.

"TorqueWench, if you are reading this, I'm sure that what people say gets to you at times. I think you must be stronger than heck to face life so fully"

yes, it does. it does because i'm a sensitive, intelligent person, irrespective of gender.
however, that hurt is balanced by the knowledge that 90% of the transpeeps out there you don't know are out there, because they don't wish it known. they're living their lives to the same degree of normalcy or outrageousness as any of you here. they're not hanging out in gay bars, they're not stripping, they're not bleeding their neuroses out all over the stage of geraldo, sally, and jerry. they've transitioned because that's what they needed to do in order to have the same degree of comfort and alignment of their internal self with their outward physical phenotype, and to conform to expectations laid upon them by their larger culture, and now they're just getting on with the more interesting project that is their lives.
so it is with me, with the exception that i'm one of a new generation of transcritters who feel that transwoman is a valid category of woman, with its own subset of challenges. i'm open about who i am because if i don't talk about my past, i end up talking around it, and that's lilke coming out of a closet, crossing the hall, and going into another one. i'm physically trans, and have no wish to spend $35,000 to get my facial bones ground down to fit someone elses idea of what a woman can look like and to gain the ability to hide in plain sight. and frankly, i'd rather buy a Lotus Elise and a nice mediterranean cruise.
i've spent enough money on this crap. now i just wanna get on with my life.

to answer your question,
i'm nominally bisexual, in that i have the CAPACITY to feel sexual attraction towards males and females, but in practice, i've only ever been physical with women, and form my pair bonds with women, both before transition, and after. i can count the number of men i have considered of sufficient interest to me to want to be with, on both hands, so i'm only just barely practically bi. obviously, when you're trans, the terms lose their strict semiotic meanings. i like girls, but i don't like STRAIGHT girls, which explains what doomed my pre-transition relationships. my role and feelings were all wrong, and yet i wasn't gay in the male/male sense. my orientation was towards women, but my identity was misaligned.
all that is a side matter though. very few of us transition just because of who we sleep with. its EVERYTHING ELSE including our sexual orientation, that determines how far we need to go to relieve the misalignment. in my case, i didn't feel like a she-male, or a guy crossdresser, or a drag queen, or a chimera, or a avatar of a new way of humankind. just another chick, like my mom, my sister, my friends, my girlfriends. so it is with most of us, and our counterparts the female-to-males.
being able to have fulfilling relationships, and yes - sex - was a motivator, but not the primary, secondary, or even tertiary one. it was more a pleasant side-effect of the process that is transition being successful in my case.
some transpeeps change orientation during or after transition, but that is more a revelation of an underlying bisexual potential, than a cold switch being thrown. it may have to do with the psychostructural changes caused by hormones, dunno. it's interesting, but kinda rare.
does that answer your question? hope so. i'm always open to questions, even the nuts-and bolts kind. but i'd prefer the PM system for those kind, cuz i am pretty well-mannered and as Rumor said, this is a car forum, and even in O/T, i myself would rather read about what y'alls favorite movies are, than the mundane and squidgy details of body ailments and oddments.
thank you, FieroGirlsMom, for your kind words; you're a love.
alison
^_^

I applaud your courage, openess, and honesty TorqueWench.

Interesting topic. Fascinating.
I thank my lucky stars that I'm relatively happy with what I am.
I certainly couldn't comprehend the confusion that others feel (gays, other-gendered, etc.), but I also sympathize with them. As has been stated earlier, nobody would willingly choose to let themselves in for all the kwrap that society can throw their way.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I applaud your courage, openess, and honesty TorqueWench.

As do I.

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: One interesting story was the guy who took a bet as a straight guy to get breast implants. Had to have them for a year for a $100K. Took the bet, won the bet... didn't have them removed, he was getting laid to much. Said straight women were fasinated by them. Not sure if this link is considered NWS... http://www.maximonline.com/articles/index.aspx?a_id=6641 It does show man installed boobs. Still has them 8 years later.

Naaahh. I couldn't do that. I'd never leave the house.