Fox News just had on a one hour special about the good things that are happening in Iraq. Very interesting. A fresh perspective. Encourageing.
Many here have posted about the failings in Iraq. Many here have posted complainig that news organizations are only showing the bad. Bad news does sell even in our country. Many here wonder, maybe even question, why we are there...no matter how we got there. Some think we should get out.
Watch this special. It repeats tonight at 11:00 PM my time. We can not make an informed decision unless we are informed.

Any mention of the 10 Marines killed friday?

forget to click on "politics" again?

Well, since its on the FOX "news" channel, of course it parrots the administrations point of view. As usual.
Not to take anything away from the brave, dedicated men and women who are doing their duty overseas, I prefer my information to be a LITTLE bit more objective than what is typically shown on the FOX propaganda channel.
I can't believe the neo cons are talking about the "domino theory" again. Many people have very short memories....
Hows that all communist Asia thing going now, anyway?

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quote Originally posted by lurker: forget to click on "politics" again?

Actually, I thought about clicking politics but the special was not about politics.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Well, since its on the FOX "news" channel, of course it parrots the administrations point of view. As usual.

Not gonna refute your viewpoint on FOX news but this is nothing like I have seen FOX report about the war in Iraq. Most, if not all news reporting of Iraq is all doom and gloom.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Very interesting. A fresh perspective. Encourageing.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: We can not make an informed decision unless we are informed.

It is nice to see some positive reporting. I have heard, and my son who did two tours there concurs, that the media is not telling the whole story. That they are leaving the good out. Well, here is some good.
If all we here is doom and gloom, of course americans are gonna want to get out. If we hear some good, which is happening, along with the bad, we can make an informed decision.

first, fox's reporting and anchor's aren't that bad. the only thing that bothers me is when they bring on two neo cons and then one moderate republican guest and try to make it look like a "fair and balanced" discussion.

second a post about the war does not make it political. only your point of view determines that.

finally, bad news sells. fox does a one hour special on the positive things that are happening in iraq...yippie for them! the other 8759 hours of the year they are reporting the same thing as every other news channel. the war in iraq doesn't have the monopoly on bad news. every local, regional, and national news station feeds on it. doom and gloom sells. people like it. its just like people slowing down at a car wreck to see the chaos. its just the way we are wired.

edit: iraq not irag...

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quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Any mention of the 10 Marines killed friday?

No! But local television news mention 10 people who were killed by getting shot, stabbed, burned alive in a house fire, and car accidents. Although not in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051202/wl_nm/mideast_usa_poll_dc_4

From your link Jersey.

quote Asked which countries posed the biggest threat to their nations, a majority chose Israel and the United States.

Polls are usually based on core beliefs. Of course the possibility of Iraq becoming a democracy threatens their lifestyle/nations.

quote Arab nations are acutely suspicious of the Bush administration's "democracy" agenda in the Middle East and believe the U.S. invasion of Iraq has made the region less secure,...

Goes hand in hand.

quote ... found 78 percent of respondents thought there was more terrorism because of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with four out of five saying the war had brought less peace to the region.

Again, hand in hand. Tyrinical forces have always fought free will. "Peace is the key word here which in this case means lack of war/terrorism. How much peace was there when you had to worry about tyrants, when women are afraid to speak up, to vote, etc.

quote Asked from a list of countries which they would like to be the superpower, the first choice was France with 21 percent.

This speaks volumes on the weight I put in this poll.
Jersey, no slam. I thank you for contributing to the topic. Again, we need all kinds of information to have informed opinions.

It was posted for a simple reason,there is more than just physical force that is part of winning a war.I believe there are many interests in the fight of public relations part of this war.So much so I would not dismiss this so easily

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Any mention of the 10 Marines killed friday?

Actually is mentioned all 2128 and counting US soldiers killed. And the price seems to be definitely worth it; certainly more so than the 58,000 men killed in Vietnam for NOTHING.

IRAQ now has 72 independant radio stations over 100 newspapers, a dozen or so TV stations and a variety of programming. They have their own stock exchange, etc. The bottom line is that IRAQ is just like Joe Liebermann and several other recent visitors said it was. A booming economy with a rapidly dwindling number of terror attacks. Saudre city, for example, used to have 1 terror attack per day, now they have had zero in the last 10 months.

Polls of Iraqis OVERWHELMINGLY support US action and I heard Iraqi people in the segment say "thank you" countless times.

The result will be a free and democratic country in the Middle East for the first time in history. The benefits to the world for this in terms of national security, trade relations, and simply honoring the American credo of Freedom for all are simply incalcuable. If we had spent 10 times what we did to fight this war it STILL would have been worth it.

I'm SO confident in the Iraqi economy that I recently bought 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars as an investment.

God Bless America and the courageous men and women in our leadership who did the right thing for the right reasons.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: The result will be a free and democratic country in the Middle East for the first time in history. The benefits to the world for this in terms of national security, trade relations, and simply honoring the American credo of Freedom for all are simply incalcuable. If we had spent 10 times what we did to fight this war it STILL would have been worth it.

Don't forget, we will likely have military bases there for *decades*, right in the middle of any potential trouble. Like sticking a police station next to a crackhouse. The benefits if THAT are incalcuable.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I'm SO confident in the Iraqi economy that I recently bought 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars as an investment. God Bless America and the courageous men and women in our leadership who did the right thing for the right reasons.

It would've been great had you given that ~$680-1000US to a cause that helps injured troops and their families. That's ok, you can stare at your money and gloat to people how you've become an Iraqi millionaire. I'm sure they'll pretend to be just as impressed as I am.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Time for your meds Uranus.

The little name calling baby thinks he's clever.
He's not.
Please go away, Fiero wannabe TROLL.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Watch this special. It repeats tonight at 11:00 PM my time. We can not make an informed decision unless we are informed.

There was only one failing. Someone sold us a bill of goods then didn't deliver the WMD. I don't care how much good has come out of Iraq, it will never replace the lives of 2000+ Americans in exchange for a pack of lies.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I'm SO confident in the Iraqi economy that I recently bought 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars as an investment. God Bless America and the courageous men and women in our leadership who did the right thing for the right reasons.

BTW Toadster, I can't help but think how proud you must feel that you might proffit from the of deaths of your fellow citizens. I'm not much for denying anyone their due. I hope you loose it all. You just made the true reason Amerika invaided Iraq perfectly clear, PROFFIT at any cost.

Hile Bush and God bless Amerika

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quote Originally posted by Toaddster: I'm SO confident in the Iraqi economy that I recently bought 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars as an investment.

This costs $1,199.00 here: http://www.unitedstatescoins.us/inc/searchresults?s=iraq&ss=iraq&n=1
If you ask nicely, maybe they can get you in on the ground floor for with a lucrative investment in "genuine" US Confederate currency.
I am very confident in the future of the Confederacy.
I heard it on FOX. It must be true.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: If you ask nicely, maybe they can get you in on the ground floor for with a lucrative investment in "genuine" US Confederate currency. I am very confident in the future of the Confederacy.

actually, i've met people who give a 1:1 exchange rate for confederate currency. that's lots better than it was late in the war.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: BTW Toadster, I can't help but think how proud you must feel that you might proffit from the of deaths of your fellow citizens. I'm not much for denying anyone their due. I hope you loose it all. You just made the true reason Amerika invaided Iraq perfectly clear, PROFFIT at any cost. Hile Bush and God bless Amerika

Bill, I'm curious. Does it ever get frustrating being wrong all the time?

Actually, I am HONORING the American's lost by investing in the country they gave their lives to free. What have YOU done to honor their memories except denigrate the very cause they sacrificed everything for? I hope ot God you and Cindy Sheehan never breed. I don't think America could withstand the result.

Schmuck!

quote Originally posted by Tardster: Bill, I'm curious. Does it ever get frustrating being wrong all the time? Actually, I am HONORING the American's lost by investing in the country they gave their lives to free. What have YOU done to honor their memories except denigrate the very cause they sacrificed everything for? I hope ot God you and Cindy Sheehan never breed. I don't think America could withstand the result. Schmuck!

Oh so that how your warped mind justifies it.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Hmmm, Think I might go there this year for my next vacation.

Why don't you put 'your money where your mouth is' and enlist? Quit your job, leave your home and family, and put your butt on the line?
Go over there and risk your life for this cause you believe so strongly in. Better yet, you could work for one of those contractors or security companies and make big money fast!

quote Originally posted by SC Coupe: Why don't you put 'your money where your mouth is' and enlist? Quit your job, leave your home and family, and put your butt on the line? Go over there and risk your life for this cause you believe so strongly in. Better yet, you could work for one of those contractors or security companies and make big money fast!

Because he is a fat lazy capitalist chickenshit IE Republican. It's alot easier to have someone else do the work while he sits back with his feet propped up and collects someone elses sweat and blood.

His idea of work is promoting war and expansion of his empire. IE Republican adjenda.

did anyone really believe this wouldnt turn political, even if it didnt start out that way? "everyone should be informed, so they can make intelligent choices"? no, a blatant attempt to persuade people to a particular view. politics and religion have their place. this isnt it. happy now?

this cant end well.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Actually is mentioned all 2128 and counting US soldiers killed. And the price seems to be definitely worth it; certainly more so than the 58,000 men killed in Vietnam for NOTHING. IRAQ now has 72 independant radio stations over 100 newspapers, a dozen or so TV stations and a variety of programming. They have their own stock exchange, etc. The bottom line is that IRAQ is just like Joe Liebermann and several other recent visitors said it was. A booming economy with a rapidly dwindling number of terror attacks. Saudre city, for example, used to have 1 terror attack per day, now they have had zero in the last 10 months. Polls of Iraqis OVERWHELMINGLY support US action and I heard Iraqi people in the segment say "thank you" countless times. The result will be a free and democratic country in the Middle East for the first time in history. The benefits to the world for this in terms of national security, trade relations, and simply honoring the American credo of Freedom for all are simply incalcuable. If we had spent 10 times what we did to fight this war it STILL would have been worth it. I'm SO confident in the Iraqi economy that I recently bought 1,000,000 Iraqi Dinars as an investment. God Bless America and the courageous men and women in our leadership who did the right thing for the right reasons.

58,000 dead in Vietnam for nothing? Vietnam seems to be doing pretty well today. I'm no expert, but comparing these:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/vm/Economy
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/iz/Economy
...Iraq and Vietnam seem to be right on par.

Only difference I see is that this time around, we were a lot more efficient about telling another country how to do things and forcing them to do it.