As some of you may know the Gumball 3000 rally started at the end of May this year....It is in is 7th year to date.....Anyways, I can't post a pic, pip is screwy on my puter, but if you follow the link below there is a write up about the race and there is a pic of the car in question....At least I believe the car, a Mercedes Benz SLR mclaren, with anti radar paint...........
HOW, WHERE would you get your hands on something like this???? WHO cares about cost!!!! Also for you paint guru's out there, all the photos and vids I've seen of black steatlh crafts have been a kinda dull black.....Do you think they just added a few clear coats and polished the car afterwards so that the car wouldn't look dull........How do you think that a polish job would react to the anti radar paint???? Wildest theories acceptable!
As some of you may know the Gumball 3000 rally started at the end of May this year....It is in is 7th year to date.....Anyways, I can't post a pic, pip is screwy on my puter, but if you follow the link below there is a write up about the race and there is a pic of the car in question....At least I believe the car, a Mercedes Benz SLR mclaren, with anti radar paint...........
HOW, WHERE would you get your hands on something like this???? WHO cares about cost!!!! Also for you paint guru's out there, all the photos and vids I've seen of black steatlh crafts have been a kinda dull black.....Do you think they just added a few clear coats and polished the car afterwards so that the car wouldn't look dull........How do you think that a polish job would react to the anti radar paint???? Wildest theories acceptable!
I'm sure with enough rummaging you can find some or most of the chemical name(s) for it.. Plus testing.. Doesn't seem far fetched to me.. Course, would it be worth it, doubt it, cause I'm sure they are goin got go after you when you blow by at 200...
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pavo_roddy Member
Posts: 4351 From: State with a city named Gotham Registered: Apr 2004
Yeah, you might be onto something too! Course that is when you flip the toggle switch that turns the license plate around that also says.....SCREW YOU PIG.........
our cars are plastic guys they are real low radar return anyway now the trick paint may help on a steel body BUT NOT OUR CARS
radar will bounce off the under frame and stuff like the radieator/condencer unless you plan to paint your frame IT WILLNOT HELP and painting the rad fins is NOT A GOOD IDEA think it runs hot now?? try that and watch it melt
and all it will do is cut the range a little that the cop gets a return
a good radar detector is a far better idea
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02:41 PM
88gtNewb Member
Posts: 922 From: Surrey, BC, Canada Registered: Aug 2004
I used to work for an automotive paint distributor back during the 1st tussle with Sadaam and when the trucks came back to be repainted to regular camo a local body shop got a piece of the action. When that paint is catalyzed smoke starts coming off it. It eats up professional grade paint guns at an alarming rate. We were selling rebuld kits to them every day. Scary stuff. It goes on flat and looks chalky but that stuff makes Imeron look like saran wrap it's so chip resistant. Toughest paint I've ever seen.
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07:21 PM
blackrams Member
Posts: 32878 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
If I remember correctly, the anti radar paint you're referring to, doesn't reflect the radar signal, it absorbs it to a certain extent. Paint your radiator and chassis with it, might do some good, but as said before, if you pass a cop doing 125 mph, he doesn't need a radar gun to know you're speeding.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41177 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
If I remember correctly, the anti radar paint you're referring to, doesn't reflect the radar signal, it absorbs it to a certain extent.
I believe it's called "Ferrite". Powdered iron. It looks kind of like graphite. There are ferrite beads used as RF chokes (blockers) in certain electronic circuits. It's also used as cores in most of the tuneable inductors you find in old radio equipment. That's how it works. It absorbs the signals to a certain extent.
I remember reading about a bridge, somewhere in Japan (IIRC) that was painted with this stuff as an experiment. As the story goes, the bridge became completely invisible to radar.
I don't know if there is any truth to the story, or if this just may be an urban legend.
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Jun 21st, 2005
rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
The anti radar paint absorbs the transmitted radar waves partially due to its texture. Radar will pick up any material, it only needs to have a flat surface to reflect off of. It will show plastic, metal, composite, wood or anything else you can make a plane out of. Radar like police use dont show the object, only reflect a transmitted signal back to measure the time taken to move a distance. Polishing or clearcoating the anti radar paint would make it useless, because the smoothness of the clear finish make it reflect just like any other painted surface. My opinion on painting a car with anti radar paint is that it would do absolutely nothing except make it appear smaller if it was hanging from a helicopter.
The only reason a Fiero (or a vette for that matter) is less detectible normally to police radar is due to it being so low in comparison to other cars. It will hide behind other objects easier and show later over a hilltop....a convertible is even better. Police radar works only on line of sight...if they cant visually see you, they cant clock you. It has nothing to do with the fact its plastic.
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Posts: 5317 From: Opelika , Alabama, USA Registered: Oct 1999
The paint and finish are only a minor factor in stealth aircraft. You can paint a DC-3 and have no effect on radar reflection. The major factor is the angular side view misdirects the signal so it doesn't return to the source.
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intlcutlass Member
Posts: 1431 From: Cleveland,Oh.44067 Registered: Nov 2002
The paint and finish are only a minor factor in stealth aircraft. You can paint a DC-3 and have no effect on radar reflection. The major factor is the angular side view misdirects the signal so it doesn't return to the source.
You are correct.... mostly......
the RAM actually does quite a bit, BUT , lets say the stuff is painted on a ship , and there is a missle headed that way, the ship will try to position itself at about a 45 degree angle from the missle.... when you combine that with the use of RAM , it really puts the odds in favor of the ship NOT getting hit.....
The NAVY was VERY interested in this stuff after the Stark got hit.
OK, I looked at this possibility a while back. Mainly out of curiosity. It seems the biggest automotive segment actually using this stuff, are the 2.5 to 3.5 ton truck crowd. The ones with a great deal of power and frontal area.
From my research on military web sites, the product has micro-size iron spheres in it that absorb and dissipate the radar signal energy as heat.
You know, a lot of real interesting info used to be on the internet prior to 9/11. I mean real interesting. A great deal of this technical information has dissappeared, or gone underground. Probably just as well.
Oh crud, here come those black helicopters again. Gotta go..
