OK, all thru school we all learn about how the universe was born and how it created the solar system and planets inclkuding our Earth.We also learned about the evolution and then death of the dinosaurs and the evolution of Man, etc. Yet, there are many who may not argue evolution publicly, but are religeous enough to basically believe the Bible over science and that Man was created. Science has proven that Man is the evolution of Hominid creatures starting with Ardipithicus Ramidus from about 5 to 4 million years ago up thru Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus that are one of the first Homo Sapien examples discovered. Homo Habilis lived around 2.2 to 1.6 million years ago and as late as 200,000 to 30,000 years ago we had Homo Sapiens Neandertalensis.
I realize that the public school system is part of that seperation of church and state thing, but I wonder how many kids are handling the obvious confusion of going to church and being told one thing, and then going to school and being told something else. My sister and I went to church for awhile when we were young, so I am assuming that kids today will either decide to be very religeous and follow the word of the Bible, be religeous BUt keep an open mind or feel that science has done a good enough job to explain the histroy of Man? How does someone who truly believes in God and is very religeous but also believes in science handle this? Or is everybody either on one side or the other?
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It's very simple easily ... the bible was written by men, many of the stories did happen, but many did not ... the bible was a good way to teach good values, but u can tell it isn't the "word of God" because the different authors added their little twists and views into the stories. As for evolution, ya I'm pretty damn sure it happened but it all had to start from some something. Something could be God, it might it might not. But then again where did God come from? since everything had to have a begining or does everything run in a big loop The truth is we don't know **** .
Oh ya for any readers of this post ... if you think YOUR relgion answers all questions ... you my friend are an IDIOT
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This was just hashed out (Not the actual argument, but how we on the Forum feel about it) just a few months ago, as I recall. We all tentatively agreed to disagree, without any serious flames.
The Evolutionists say, "Science has proven...." based on theories presented in everything from High School texts to the New York Times. Of course, the only way to prove anything is to actually have witnessed it. Scientists can only truly postulate based on what they see (or wish to see). Unfortunately, the word "theory" gets dropped in public school science class.
The Creationists say, "The Bible says...." but not always. A Creationist, almost by definition is a strict Bible believing Christian, Jew or Muslim, and therefore, the Bible is as reliable a text as any. There are no real refutations to this, as, except for the Creation account (Which only God witnessed), there were any from a few to thousands of Human witnesses. OTOH, aside from a few mentions of "behemoth," "leviathan" and "giants/men of renown," there doesn't seem to be much to speak to regarding the bones of wooly mammoths and such that are being dug up here and there.
In the end, those of us who are Evolutionists are still Evolutionists, and those of us who are Creationists are still Creationists. And then we go talk about Fieros. Go fig.
For the record, I am a Creationist.
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Originally posted by Azarael: ...But then again where did God come from? since everything had to have a begining ....
Not everything has to have a beginning and/or an ending. In this case, God. This is a sign of small mindedness (and a lack of an open mind, to be sure).
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Oh ya for any readers of this post ... if you think YOUR relgion answers all questions ... you my friend are an IDIOT
And if you think that Scientific Humanism answers all questions, you, my friend, are an even bigger IDIOT
First of all how long is one of Gods days? You ever hear a story and pass it a long to another and when you hear it again it was totally different. Do you think man can comprehend Gods word, or do you think we would have to put it in a context that we could understood. Or the only reason that Dinosaurs are not here is because they evolved into Fiero fanatics.
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: First of all how long is one of Gods days?
A guy is talking to God one day & asks, "God, how lng is a million years?" God replies" To me, it is like the passing of a minute." The guy then asks "how much is a million dollars?" God replys "To me is like a penny." The guy-"God, can I have a penny?" God-"Sure-in a minute."
There's many commonalities in the timelines of both beliefs (and yes, Darwinian Evolution is a belief). The order in which different things were "created", both in the Bible as well as in Darwin's theory line up quite nicely.
My personal belief? I think God may have well used "evolution" as His creational "tool". There are MANY holes in Darwin's theory, and Science (again, a religion of its own) is learning more every day than we knew as a whole in Darwin's days...Like that certain species can adapt to an environment and become "sub-species" in HUNDREDS of years, not millions. In Australia for instance, the Europeans introduced domestic cats by accident into the wild. Today there are 3 distinc "sub-species" of "wild" cats in Australia; one on the East coast, one in the "outback", and one on the West coast. We now know (through DNA and historical evidence) that these all have adapted from one relatively small group of domestic cats less than 500 years ago.
Hey...who ever listened to a 22 year old punk, anyway...How many of you know he (Darwin) RECANTED his theory in his later years as the ramblings of a misguided youth? Hehe.
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The origin of life is the center of so much controversy. The law of biogenesis states that life can only come from previous life. Unfortunately, the idea of an origin of life coming from nonliving molecules is argued that it contradicts the major laws of science. Creationism tries to argue this point by using wives tales about spontaneous generation and other bizaar findings by "way out there" scientists. Creationism also continually attacks the Big Bang theory that the universe came from nothing. They say that something cannot come from nothing, and so there must be a creator. This would seem to be an inpass. How can either side prove something that didn't exist and then did, but came into being before anyone was around to say how it happened one way or the other. I myself have a hard time swallowing creationism and other accounts of the Bible by just having faith. Science has many fossils and other artifacts that help prove their findings. Some say that the only way to truly prove one side is right over the other, is to simply wait until you die? Ouch!
Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: And if you think that Scientific Humanism answers all questions, you, my friend, are an even bigger IDIOT
Alrighty. Back MANY years ago, religion answered people's questions. "How does the sun rise?" "Where did we all come from?" "Where do we go when we die?"
Now it's just- "the sun is a ball of gas, we evolved from apes, and when we die we get eaten by small tunneling insects". There are only a few things that we have not answered by science. Such as, where did the universe come from? The EASY way to answer this is "God made it and us". That is a GRRRREAT argument because it cannot be disproved. When asked what mad God, religious folk often say "He was not made, just always around". What a good argument. Also, the Bible says that God created man in his own image. Yet, there were apes, neandrethals, and such very long ago. But obviously we are made from scratch, and do NOT share 99% of our genes with those FOUL creatures. When science proves where the universe came from, and there are decent theories, than god will just be a way to explain where you go when you die. "How could you just... stop... being?" they ask. Well, go to sleep. If you don't dream, there ya go. What was that... a long period of nothingness that you were unconscious during and have no memory of. Imagine if you never woke up. OK, I'm rambling, because this is a subject I am very opinioned on (I am an atheist).
"If god created man in his own image, and man evolved from ape, then God looks like an APE!"
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How long is one of God's days? The Bible says the darkness and then the light were one day.
I asked this here before... would someone please tell me how eyes evolved? You either have them or you don't.
I'd also like to know why creatures (one-cell or whatever) which can reproduce without sex would need to evolve into creatures with male/female organs. Seems like that's not exactly an improvement on the status quo.
Originally posted by Cheever3000: I asked this here before... would someone please tell me how eyes evolved? You either have them or you don't.
Some deep-sea snakes and fish have useless eyes. Hell, a bat really can't see too much, doesn't really need those eyes. Why couldn't eyes evolve? If you're environment dictates that you need eyes to survive, you slowly develop them.
Originally posted by TRiAD: There are MANY holes in Darwin's theory, and Science (again, a religion of its own) is learning more every day than we knew as a whole in Darwin's days...Like that certain species can adapt to an environment and become "sub-species" in HUNDREDS of years, not millions. [/i]
Actually, nobody respects Darwin except for what he started. We don't read his writings from his expedition of the Beagle, and take it as gospel (har-har! ).
Evolution doesn't necessarily take years.
It happens independantly of that. Do not think of it in terms of time-passing, but rather in terms of GENERATIONS of the animal in question. There are holes in Darwinism because it was written hundreds of years ago, by a guy with little knowledge of DNA.
I can tell you that by tracking down DNA mutation rates, we can get an approximate genetic age of the human species weighing in at some 2 million years old.
That's using Mitochondrial DNA. You get 100% of it from your mother, and her from hers ad-infinitum.
DNA mutates at a fairly stable rate (without disabling the organism), so it isn't that hard to track.
The "first" woman was black, came from mid-africa, and is about 2 million years old... Give or take a few hundred thousand... OOoooooh.... Guess where we found some fossilized Homo genus fossils?
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Originally posted by Cheever3000: How long is one of God's days? The Bible says the darkness and then the light were one day.
I asked this here before... would someone please tell me how eyes evolved? You either have them or you don't.
I'd also like to know why creatures (one-cell or whatever) which can reproduce without sex would need to evolve into creatures with male/female organs. Seems like that's not exactly an improvement on the status quo.
Man, that's simple first-year chem, and 3rd year genetics!
1) Eyes: Ever seen a Planarian worm? Looks like an arrow, has 2 black dots on the top of it's body. Most BASIC form of eyes ever found. All they are are a couple bundles of cells that react to light or dark. All you need to do is start building on that. THAT is what takes millions of years. Not a few minor coat-color changes of cats in australia.
2) Sex. Even EASIER. There are advantages with the way single-celled (non sexually dimorphic) animals reproduce. You can make LOTS of perfectly formed babies, VERY quickly.
There's a HUGE problem with that, though... All of the babies are identical. So they are immune to the same things, and sensitive to the same things, too.
If something can kill one (like a toxin, heat change, allergen, whatever) then it can just as easily kill them all.
That's why penicillin works so damn well against bacteria. It's cos it's JUST as toxic to ALL of the bugs in your body. The ONLY safeguard that these critters have is random mutation caused by solar radiation, or other common mutagens. That's how you get resistant strains. Sometimes one bug manages not to get a lethal dose of antibiotic, and manages to develop a resistance. It lives to propagate, with it's newfound resistance, and breeds an army of resistant bugs!
Well, this is a VERY clumsy way to do it. It is simplistic, and probably adequate for most single-celled organisms, because they usually tend to live in LARGE populations (with higher chance of mutation) and in fairly stable environments. But sitting around, watching your entire planet die of one pesky fungus until some RANDOM mutation allows one cell to "break free" isn't so viable on longer-lived, multicellular animals that have to live in smaller populations, in MUCH more radically changing environments (REmember, a change of a couple degrees means HUGE changes in the way chemicals react. Think Fever, and how shitty you feel...).
The easy way to do this is build a mechanism to "share the wealth." Have a population of fundamentally SIMILAR animals, with a great variety of "genes" and let them mix and match. Now, if something pops up, there's a good chance that there will be a healthy number of individuals left to keep the species going.
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Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: Fiero5 - the answers you seek are easy to find. Sneak back into that Physics lab at school and set your VanDeGraff generator to 100,000 BC
take lots of photos and post them here - unless you jump back before creation happened, in which case you wont be coming back :c)
AND WHATEVER YOU DO, DO ***NOT*** STEP ON THAT PUDDLE OF GOO!!!!
A lot of the "creatonists" say that there is holes in the theory of evolution. Well of course there are holes. But Creation is one BIG hole. There is NO evidence of it.. For one thing.. People don't pop out of thin air. And then another one out of a rib (And don't respond with "god works in mysterious ways"..
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Originally posted by ray b: ""For the record, I am a Creationist, by pats dad""" as is the TALI-BAN allso pro-life as is the TALI-BAN
how much TALI-BAN like programs DO YOU SUPPORT???????? one is tooooo many for me I am againt all TALI-BAN favored IDEAS
The Taliban are against GW Bush. What are your feelings about him?
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from The Celestine Vision,In regards to living in modern times,"The miracles of religious mythology were too often reduced to metaphors and churches became more about social togetherness, moral teaching and intellectual belief than about the pursuit of actual spirtual experience."
If you are seriously interested in this topic, I'd reccomend any of the Celestine books. It points out why none of the thoeries has an acceptable answer. Isaac Newton developed the theory that the universe worked like a machine. If you know the rules of the machine, you have the answers. That worked for awhile but then people needed more all the way to Einstein and the guy in the wheel chair whose name escapes me right now Hawking, thats it.
I have deleted this section 4 times now because its hard to state an opinion on whats out there. I know that a literal translation of the bible doesn't hold the answers for me. I feel that people who hold to a strong literal reading are denying themselves the ability to question what you are being told. I don't think we have found the answer yet and history has proven that we won't anytime soon.
Originally posted by TRiAD: There's many commonalities in the timelines of both beliefs (and yes, Darwinian Evolution is a belief). The order in which different things were "created", both in the Bible as well as in Darwin's theory line up quite nicely.
My personal belief? I think God may have well used "evolution" as His creational "tool". There are MANY holes in Darwin's theory, and Science (again, a religion of its own) is learning more every day than we knew as a whole in Darwin's days...Like that certain species can adapt to an environment and become "sub-species" in HUNDREDS of years, not millions. In Australia for instance, the Europeans introduced domestic cats by accident into the wild. Today there are 3 distinc "sub-species" of "wild" cats in Australia; one on the East coast, one in the "outback", and one on the West coast. We now know (through DNA and historical evidence) that these all have adapted from one relatively small group of domestic cats less than 500 years ago.
Hey...who ever listened to a 22 year old punk, anyway...How many of you know he (Darwin) RECANTED his theory in his later years as the ramblings of a misguided youth? Hehe.
TRiAD took my post... :'(
Oh well...
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Just because you prefer asexual reproduction you have no right to force your preferences and beliefs on me!!!
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Originally posted by Cheever3000: I'd also like to know why creatures (one-cell or whatever) which can reproduce without sex would need to evolve into creatures with male/female organs. Seems like that's not exactly an improvement on the status quo.
lol! Sorry Ed...good to know other people are thinking along the same lines.
Ray, you've used that argument several times, and I have a question for you...
If you explicitly avoid ANY beliefs that the Taliban holds ("just one is one too many...") than I suppose you need to quit driving a car, carrying weapons, eating, oh, and breathing. Those are all things members of the Taliban does. Since they do them, and you do them, does that mean the government should be watching you carefully?
Hopefully you see my point. It is entirely possible for people to believe a whole mish-mash of things, and some of it is right, some of it was wrong.
Just because the Taliban hold some beliefs that appear to line up with certain mainstream Christianity beliefs, does not mean the two have anything else in common.
Hitler drove a car, ate and breathed as well...I would suppose. I guess it's time we all quit doing any of those.
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"In the end, those of us who are Evolutionists are still Evolutionists, and those of us who are Creationists are still Creationists. And then we go talk about Fieros. Go fig."
ok, so we are all Fieroists here then, correct?
We worship and pay homage to our cars. We sacrifice our paychecks and often give blood offerings to our Steel (and plastic) Gods. In our world, we have Saints (Archie,Rodney, Theogre...) angels (everyone who posts an solution to a Fiero-problem...)and we also have our evil villans (those at GM who killed our god, punk-a$$ed ricers, people who spread the "fire hazard blasphemies") and of course, there exists the Anti-Fiero, Dude16!
Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: Fiero5 - the answers you seek are easy to find. Sneak back into that Physics lab at school and set your VanDeGraff generator to 100,000 BC
take lots of photos and post them here - unless you jump back before creation happened, in which case you wont be coming back :c)
Heh, heh Yeah sounds like a good idea, except I need to know the correct calculations to make the generator jump me back into the correct point in time.
Originally posted by Fiero5: The origin of life is the center of so much controversy. The law of biogenesis states that life can only come from previous life. Unfortunately, the idea of an origin of life coming from nonliving molecules is argued that it contradicts the major laws of science. Creationism tries to argue this point by using wives tales about spontaneous generation and other bizaar findings by "way out there" scientists. Creationism also continually attacks the Big Bang theory that the universe came from nothing. They say that something cannot come from nothing, and so there must be a creator. This would seem to be an inpass. How can either side prove something that didn't exist and then did, but came into being before anyone was around to say how it happened one way or the other. I myself have a hard time swallowing creationism and other accounts of the Bible by just having faith. Science has many fossils and other artifacts that help prove their findings. Some say that the only way to truly prove one side is right over the other, is to simply wait until you die? Ouch!
Because it really does divide down into what someone wants to believe and have faith in. I choose to have faith in a Creator of the universe... that Creator being God.
I find it much more difficult to believe humanity in all its wisdow, because the knowledge and wisdom of man continually evolves (pardon the pun) or devolves. The interesting thing about the human race is that from the foundation of societies humanity and its knowledge forever contridicts itself.
I do not have an issue in admitting or believing that some being created me in His image - that image being in a spiritual (soul) form that has eternal life. My physical form is not in God image, good thing too, He would be one ugly dude.
Even with my belief in the Almighty and His power to create the universe and me, I do believe in limited evolution. How? Because I don't believe in species creating (evolving into) other species (ie. ape to man). But I do believe that animals, humans, and plants all adapt, grow, and change to best suit their environment.
There is absolutely no proof that evolution from species into another species exist. Scientist may claim to find examples, but they have to extrapolate(sp) and make assumptions at what 'might have been' - so they (and those who believe in evolution) have faith in humanity's wisdom, well I choose to have faith in God's wisdom.
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There is absolutely no proof that evolution from species into another species exist. Scientist may claim to find examples, but they have to extrapolate(sp) and make assumptions at what 'might have been' - so they (and those who believe in evolution) have faith in humanity's wisdom, well I choose to have faith in God's wisdom.
Well then, I must have missed something then in ALL those years in school and with all those National Geographic mags, history channel shows, evolution of Man books, etc.
Originally posted by Leper: The Taliban are against GW Bush. What are your feelings about him?
RE-RUN lost the vote both in FLA and nation wide[by 2 million votes] but got his troops in fla and the supreems to steal the election for him. his tax cuts [for the rich only, see the NY times this week], the reccession, his good buddy KEN LAY from ENRON [who is still NOT IN JAIL] show who bush realy supports, and it is not the workers of this great nation but the PIG class!!!!!!!!
Back to evo, DNA will show what evolved into what, when, as it is all recorded in the DNA and we are very near the ability to read the record so very soon we will know what lemur became what kind of monkey that became what type of ape the evolved into man and when that happend!!!!!! BUT the GOD boys will claim some BS spin to say the BIBLE is correct and DNA wrong just like they do about dino's bones created in place BS storys that they tell!!!
9-11 was belife in GOD in action wake up and pick a less deadly fairytale then following the GOD OF ABRAHAM, the very same GOD the tali-ban kills for!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Fiero5: Well then, I must have missed something then in ALL those years in school and with all those National Geographic mags, history channel shows, evolution of Man books, etc.
Steve
Nope, you didn't miss a thing. You have been shown some people's theory of how things began. Again I say theory, because it can't be proven that the big bang occurred, the event that started the evolutionary process.
In a previous post you stated "The law of biogenesis states that life can only come from previous life." IOW something can't come from nothing. So those folks who don't want to believe in creation, believe that something happened to set it all in motion - which is still a belief... a faith if you will. I say there is no proof because scientist tend to extrapolate from evidence found to explain the whole dimension attempting to answer the questions of when, where, and how.
The simple fact of our existence, whether you choose to believe evolution or creation, is that no person, any where, at any time, ever will have the answers to all of life's questions. The Bible (of which I believe) does not have all the answers to one's life, but it does give one the information for salvation (which is the greater goal when one believes the Bible). But with my faith of God as being all powerful, and all knowing, I believe He has the ability to do what He wants, and He wanted to create the universe and us - that is my belief - and nothing scientific will ever prove or disprove the existance of God, which is the goal for many.
Some things in life take and require a leap of faith. IMHO it takes a greater leap of faith to believe and defend that something came from nothing... which science itself says and promotes as something that cannot and does not happen, except for the one exception that set it all in motion.
I don't believe that something came from nothing. I believe that the something that created something else was God - and that fits perfectly the scientific statement that something can't come from nothing. I don't have specifics to His existance nor is it required, because it is not necessary for my salvation. I just have accepted the fact that some things will go unaswered.
Originally posted by ray b: RE-RUN lost the vote both in FLA and nation wide[by 2 million votes] but got his troops in fla and the supreems to steal the election for him.
Bush did not have any election stolen. Do you not understand the electoral college? They are the body of people that elect the president, regardless of what the body of citizens think. I strongly suggest you study the presidential election process before continuing the liberal drivel.
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Originally posted by ray b: Back to evo, DNA will show what evolved into what, when, as it is all recorded in the DNA and we are very near the ability to read the record so very soon we will know what lemur became what kind of monkey that became what type of ape the evolved into man and when that happend!!!!!! BUT the GOD boys will claim some BS spin to say the BIBLE is correct and DNA wrong just like they do about dino's bones created in place BS storys that they tell!!!
If there is a source of all things which exist there will always be a common thread in everything. A Ford is different from a Chevy, but in name only, because they both require an engine, a transmission, wheels & tires, steering wheel and a host of other things to operate. Those common things could be called their DNA, so who begat who? or is it just a fact of life that all things have something in common?
In general, I fail to understand your hatred of life and the utter contempt you have for those who choose to believe differently than you, but it becomes annoying at best.
Originally posted by Gold-86SE: Nope, you didn't miss a thing. You have been shown some people's theory of how things began. Again I say theory, because it can't be proven that the big bang occurred, the event that started the evolutionary process.
In a previous post you stated "The law of biogenesis states that life can only come from previous life." IOW something can't come from nothing. So those folks who don't want to believe in creation, believe that something happened to set it all in motion - which is still a belief... a faith if you will. I say there is no proof because scientist tend to extrapolate from evidence found to explain the whole dimension attempting to answer the questions of when, where, and how.
The simple fact of our existence, whether you choose to believe evolution or creation, is that no person, any where, at any time, ever will have the answers to all of life's questions. The Bible (of which I believe) does not have all the answers to one's life, but it does give one the information for salvation (which is the greater goal when one believes the Bible). But with my faith of God as being all powerful, and all knowing, I believe He has the ability to do what He wants, and He wanted to create the universe and us - that is my belief - and nothing scientific will ever prove or disprove the existance of God, which is the goal for many.
Some things in life take and require a leap of faith. IMHO it takes a greater leap of faith to believe and defend that something came from nothing... which science itself says and promotes as something that cannot and does not happen, except for the one exception that set it all in motion.
I don't believe that something came from nothing. I believe that the something that created something else was God - and that fits perfectly the scientific statement that something can't come from nothing. I don't have specifics to His existance nor is it required, because it is not necessary for my salvation. I just have accepted the fact that some things will go unaswered.
Well, that is all well and good, but that is not what I quoted from what you said earlier. You didn't say anything about the begining of life from the Big Bang theory couldn't be proven (though you are overlooking the facts that space has been proven to be moving out in all directions), YOU said: "There is absolutely no proof that evolution from species into another species exist. Scientist may claim to find examples, but they have to extrapolate(sp) and make assumptions at what 'might have been' - so they (and those who believe in evolution) have faith in humanity's wisdom, well I choose to have faith in God's wisdom."
Here you stated that there is no proof of evolution of species which there absolutely is. I agree that the begining of the universe is still being figured out, and science even says that they are still trying to figure it out, but as far as the evoltion of Man, that is a whole other story.
Originally posted by Fiero5: Here you stated that there is no proof of evolution of species which there absolutely is. I agree that the begining of the universe is still being figured out, and science even says that they are still trying to figure it out, but as far as the evoltion of Man, that is a whole other story.
I mean no flame by the following just clarification.
I believe that the two: 1) the starting point of everything, and 2) the evolution of life are juxtaposed and to answer one means answering the other.
I do not accept the 'evidence' of the scientific community as proof that man has evolved from monkeys and lower life forms. It would help my case if I had examples for my decision but I don't have them at my fingertips. However, I do know that 'missing links' have been staged and faked. These 'missing links' or 'evidences' were once thought to be true and factual, but through new technology they have been proven false.
Beginning with only one example, I want to show why I question humanity's wisdom. The world was once thought to be flat, but it was proven round.
During that phase of thought, it was widely accepted truth that the world was flat and believed and taught by many people, and anybody who believed differently was a heretic. Result: the flat theory was eventually proven false.
Evolution falls into this same category and should be questioned as to its validity. Based on current scientific statements and 'evidence' it can't be proven. Furthermore, since the foundation of thought regarding evolution, the world has yet to see an evolutionary jump, only specious thoughts of what could have happened.
Ray
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but it all had to start from some something. Something could be God, it might it might not. But then again where did God come from? since everything had to have a begining 
or does everything run in a big loop 
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