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Meteor may hit Earth! by Fiero5
Started on: 04-04-2002 02:57 PM
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"Anyways, the earths pull isn't that strong as I've said before, so if it comes close, it will not be sucked into orbit. Look at our moon, it's damn close, and it doesn't have a gravitational buldge."

Well, let's look at that. The Moon is about 250,000 miles away and the asteroid is currently plotted to pass within 30,000 miles of Earth, an eighth of the distance to the Moon and that distance is narrowing. The Moon effects our tides as a consequence of tidal interactions with the Earth. An interesting fact is that the Earth is slowly decreasing it's rotational period and eventually the Earth and Moon will have exactly the same rotational period, and these will also exactly equal the orbital period. Thus, many years from now the Earth will always keep the same face turned toward the Moon, just as the Moon already always keeps the same face turned toward the Earth.

So, if the Moon can effect us like that being 250,000 miles away, just think of the possibilities if a large asteroid passes very close to earth?

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Here ya go folks!

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"Asteroid to hit Earth in 2028
by Lukas Tagg
Tue, 02 Feb 2002
Times Science News Reporter


The bad news is that a one-kilometre wide asteroid is on line to hit the Earth, an event which will end life as we know it.
The good news...well, those who would handle these kinds of things are still working on that one.

The asteroid - known as Asteroid 1997XF-11, and its orbit has been bringing it steadily closer to an unpleasant encounter with Earth. Last year astronomers were working with the worlds largest radar dish, located at Arecibo in Puerto Rico, trying to prove a point about the value of radar in astronomy. Instead they re-discovered the asteroid flashing past Earth, and tracked it to find out more.

What they discovered was that its highly elliptical orbit, which sees it swinging in and out of the inner solar system, would intersect the Earth's orbit on October 26, 2028, which we reported in the Times in January.

Naturally it is extremely difficult to predict the exact behaviour of the asteroid on such a long timescale, and natural occurences could occur to change the path of the asteroid. It could miss the Earth by a whisker, but it could also be captured by the pull of the Earth's gravity, and hauled towards the planet at a fine rate of knots.

Despite the fact that there is doubt as to whether it will actually strike the Earth, astronomers are saying that it has a greater chance of hitting the Earth than of any other known space rock.

At nearly a kilometre wide Asteroid 1997XF-11 is almost the exact size of the one which struck Mexico 65-million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs. Should the asteroid strike the Earth it would penetrate the Earth's crust causing immense tidal waves and throwing huge clouds of dust and debris thousands of feet into the air. Atmospheric and temperature changes would be extreme, and very few life forms would survive."

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Originally posted by Fiero5:
"Anyways, the earths pull isn't that strong as I've said before, so if it comes close, it will not be sucked into orbit. Look at our moon, it's damn close, and it doesn't have a gravitational buldge."

Well, let's look at that. The Moon is about 250,000 miles away and the asteroid is currently plotted to pass within 30,000 miles of Earth, an eighth of the distance to the Moon and that distance is narrowing. The Moon effects our tides as a consequence of tidal interactions with the Earth. An interesting fact is that the Earth is slowly decreasing it's rotational period and eventually the Earth and Moon will have exactly the same rotational period, and these will also exactly equal the orbital period. Thus, many years from now the Earth will always keep the same face turned toward the Moon, just as the Moon already always keeps the same face turned toward the Earth.

So, if the Moon can effect us like that being 250,000 miles away, just think of the possibilities if a large asteroid passes very close to earth?

well the earth is a oblate spearoid and does have a small tidal bulge enuff that a GPS sat positions needs small corections to be right on the real positions esp in elivations
moon is allso warped by earth's gravity but not very much [you can't see small amt of warp].

but a rock's near miss willnot have any effects unless itis so close it is in our atmosphere [less than 50 miles] as a rock even a mile or several miles wide just doesnot have much mass to hurt a planet by being close, hit or miss close will not count at all. now a planet thats a different case but as no lose planets NO WORRIES unless we get a direct hit!!!!!

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"http://www.astro.sciencesu.ca/~wiegert/3753/3753.html
Understanding Gravity, Atmosphere, and Motion:

The motion or cause and effect of Near-Earth asteroids (or NEAs) are all determined by how close one passes to Earth. Some of these objects have been known to pass closer to the Earth than the Moon, but in the past have been too small to cause any real trouble. These objects, which range in size of a few metres, are important to our understanding of past and present Earth impact rates, and are likely to prove useful as a basis to determin future near Earth effects. The near-Earth asteroid 3753 Cruithne for example is in an unusual orbit about that of the Earth, one which is known in the lingo of celestial mechanics as being co-orbital with the Earth (meaning it shares the Earth's orbit with it) and, more particularly, as being of the "horseshoe" type. Horseshoe orbits are named because of their shape in a reference frame which corotates with their accompanying planet, and have been known theoretically for many years. A corotating frame just means one in which the viewer orbits along with one of the planets, in this case the Earth.

But the Earth's gravitational pull is strong enough to pull on and thus change the course of most obstacles that come within thousands of miles of it's gravitational range.
The same force that produces violent volcanism on Jupiter's moon Io causes the Earth's oceans to rise and fall. This tidal force is the product of the gravitational influence which one body imposes on another. A "near Earth asteroid" would be effected by the Earths gravitational forces and could very likely be yanked off of it's "normal" orbit and sent plummeting into our atmosphere.

The gravitational force generated by the Moon's mass for example, acting upon the Earth's mass, is the primary source of ocean tides. Newton had found that the attractive force of an object is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the objects. This is known as the inverse square law. The first to apply this law to the question of tides was the Marquis de Leplace (1749-1827).

Just as the attractive force imposed on a series of ball bearings radiating from a large and powerful magnet would decrease as distance increased, so too different points along a line from the Moon, passing straight through the Earth, would incur a decreasing attraction with distance. This means that some parts of the Earth are being pulled harder than others. The result is a pulling of the Earth "out of round" as it spins through that imaginary line of gravitational force radiating from the Moon.

Laplace realized that the effect of lunar gravity on the side of the Earth facing the Moon had to be greater than its effect on the center of the Earth (which is a greater distance from the Moon), and weakest of all on the side facing away from the Moon.

Thus our poor little planet is being continuously deformed and we experience two simultaneous high tides, one on the lunar-facing side as a result of the Earth swelling toward the Moon; and one on the opposite side as the Earth's crust, now closer to the Moon than the ocean above it, is drawn to the Moon while the waters above are allowed to bulge away. Two low tides are naturally experienced at the points 90° to each point of high tide."

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OK people, you were saying that places like CNN were all just talking about one that is 90 or 900 years away?

Not anymore! The 1997XF-11 asteroid that is on a collision course with Earth in 2028 is now all over the major web sites including CNN. These are all directly off CNN's web site.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9804/12/asteroid/

"Asteroid on course for near miss-or-collision with Earth

In this story:

* But not 'til year 2028
* Impact: 2 million atomic bombs
* Related stories and sites

Web posted at: 12:07 a.m. EST (GMT)

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Astronomers say a mile-wide asteroid described as "the most dangerous one we've found so far" may be on course for a near-miss -- or even a collision -- with Earth in the year 2028.

Some astronomers were saying that the asteroid will come within 30,000 miles of the Earth, and were agreeing with Dr. Brian Marsden of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) who had said, "Chances are it will miss" Earth.

"The chance of an actual collision is now there, and not entirely out of the question," says a notice filed by the IAU.

Asteroid collision:

But there are those, including asteroid specialist Jack G. Hills, who find the asteroid designated as 1997 XF11 very frightening.

"It is the first really big one to pass this close," says Hills, a Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist. "This is the most dangerous one we've found so far. It scares me, it really does. An object this big hitting the Earth has the potential of killing many, many people."
Animation of asteroid's journey
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"It has enormous destructive potential," agreed Steven Maran of the American Astronomical Society, but he added it will take several more years of observations before experts are certain of its path.

Asteroid 1997 XF11 was discovered December 6 by Jim Scotti of the University of Arizona Spacewatch program, and has been added to the top of a list of 108 asteroids considered to be "potentially hazardous objects."

The Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams -- which tracks asteroids -- conducted further observations that determined if 1997 XF11 was to miss, it should pass just under 30,000 miles from Earth on October 26, 2028.
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A L S O :
Collision course: Bracing for an asteroid impact
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The estimate, Maran said, has a margin of error of more than 180,000 miles. This means a collision with Earth is very possible, but uncertain at this time, he said.

Astronomers say the asteroid is projected to hopefully pass within 30,000 miles of the Earth on October 26, 2028  

Better estimates will be generated as astronomers plot the course of the asteroid during the next few years.

Astronomers say that even if it were on a path to hit Earth, technology might be available by then that would be capable of deflecting the asteroid.

"What would be scary is if it were three days from now or three weeks or even three years," Marsden says. "Thirty years is just right because it's far enough in the future. If it were going to hit us, and that's a big if, we would have time to plan to do something about it."

Marsden says, "It was quite startling to find that the nominal orbit that we were using brought it as close as we did. I have not seen anything like that."

An asteroid 6 to 10 miles across collided with the Earth about 65 million years ago and is thought to have caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, along with 75 percent of all other species.

Impact: 2 million atomic bombs

Hills said an asteroid the size of 1997 XF11 colliding with the Earth at more than 17,000 miles an hour would explode with an energy of about 320,000 megatons of dynamite. That equals almost 2 million Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs.

Such an asteroid hitting the ocean, Hills said, would create a tidal wave hundreds of feet high, causing extreme flooding along thousands of miles of coastline.

"If one like this hit in the Atlantic Ocean, all of the coastal cities would be scoured by the tsunami," said Hills. "Where cities stood, there would be only mudflats."

Animation from Sandia National Lab  

If it struck land, he said, it would blast a crater 20 miles across and so clog the sky with dust and vapor that the sun would be darkened "for weeks, if not months."

Marsden said the announcement about the asteroid was meant to alert astronomers, not to frighten the public. "It's not intended to be scary or alarmist," he said. "The Earth as a target is not very big."

Technology by the year 2028 could probably deal with any asteroid, Marsden said.

"Suppose we knew it were going to hit ... That is the time to start doing something about it and sending missions to it. A little deflection, that's what you need, and with time on your side you don't need much of a deflection."

He added that, "If it really is as close as 30,000 miles it will really be quite bright" and would be visible in Europe -- where it will be evening -- with the naked eye."

Reuters contributed to this report."


http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9804/12/collision/index.html
"Collision course: Bracing for an asteroid impact:

Close calls and contingency planning

(CNN) -- It happens once or twice every million years. A comet or asteroid tears through Earth's atmosphere and smashes into the ground or ocean with enough force to destroy civilization.

The good news:
Scientists have spotted the object in plenty of time.
The bad news:
Even with this much warning, there's nowhere to hide.

It sounds like the stuff of Michael Crichton (or for that matter, a rerun on NBC), but in fact, the threat is now very real, even if the odds are in our favor. Right now, there are about 2000 large bodies -- also known as NEOs (Near-Earth Objects) -- that cross the orbit of Earth and, in theory, could hit us. Asteroid 1997 XF-11 has been described as possibly the most significant coming future event in our history.

There already have been a handful of close calls in recent years. On March 23, 1989, an asteroid about a half-mile wide crossed the Earth's orbit about 400,000 miles from Earth. The Earth had been in that same spot a mere six hours earlier. On January 17, 1991, an asteroid estimated to be about 30 feet wide passed within 106,000 miles of Earth. It was the closest "near miss" ever recorded.

Smaller objects hit the Earth all the time. Most of them land in oceans or uninhabitated areas, unnoticed. But some make headlines.

A small meteorite hit this car in 1994.  

On October 9, 1992, a meteorite smashed through the rear end of a car in Peekskill, New York. No one was hurt, but the Chevy Malibu was totaled. (6.3M/30 sec.

The most vivid example yet of a comet's destructiveness occurred in the summer of 1994, when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 collided with Jupiter, creating a spectacular plume that rose above the Jovian cloudtops. (235K/21 sec.

Jupiter after the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 collision  

NASA scientists take the threat of an impact seriously, but they've had a hard time convincing Washington to fund a proposed early warning system.

In 1991, a NASA study, requested by Congress, recommended the development of an international Spaceguard Survey -- a system of specially designed ground-based telescopes that would be used as surveillance cameras to detect Earth-threatening objects. The estimated cost was $10 million a year. Congress declined to fund the project.

NASA does spend about $1 million a year on smaller-scale asteroid and comet search programs. But the programs are only able to monitor about 10 percent of the sky per month, according to one expert.

So what will we do if the unthinkable happens? Is Earth defenseless against a large comet or asteroid?

Scientists and military planners say with enough warning we could intercept a cosmic cannonball. Among the defensive manuvers under study ... and debate:

Nuke It:
A nuclear blast near the object could blow it off course.
Pulverize It:
Rockets with heavy payloads smash the object into bits or divert it off course
Melt It:
Earth-based or Moon-based lasers would be used to boil off layers, redirecting it


All of these "solutions" would require months, maybe years of planning and development, not to mention the aim of a sharpshooter. In other words, the earlier the warning, the better. But given the modest surveillance of the stars now under way, some experts contend we're still more vulnerable than we need to be.

Even the ever-cautious NASA refuses to discount the danger. They have included information in a "Fact Sheet on Asteroid and Comet Impacts" found at NASA's Web site."

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Maybe you should just post links instead of recreating the entire internet here on Cliff's server.....
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"Maybe you should just post links instead of recreating the entire internet here on Cliff's server..... "

Wow, I have recreated the entire internet here? Cliffs server must be huge!

Maybe those who posted on the Gwen Stefani thread could have instead posted links to the pics instead of uploading and posting 35+ pages worth of pics?
Seems to me images take up a LOT more room than just text?
But that wouldn't have been as much fun then I guess?

Actually, that is probably not a bad idea. I for one however hate having to click to go somewhere else to read something of possible interest, just to possibly have to click again to read more. I posted the key ones here with the links for the convenience of those interested.
Sorry if I upset anyone, including Cliff.

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