Since I have gotten my 88, my dad has become interested in Fieros again. The topic has come up several times and we both started wondering what happened to the 88GT CJB car he used to own. It was an odd combinatin and I've never seen another like it. If anyone knows of it, I'd love to hear what became of it or see some pics.

88 GT, CJB, white 5spd
Gold wheels
Beechwood leather with performance sound
Spoiler delete

It was a GM executive driven car and was in Milwaukee WI area until the early 90s and was in showroom condition when we last talked to new owners. We aren't looking to buy the car, but would love to hear about it, or see some pics of it.

a vin # will find it better than say it is a fiero.
There is an 88 data base,need Vin....

I don't have a VIN. Kinda figured it might be identifiable with the options I spec'd out and the info I gave.

Your Dad might be able to have the DMV track the VIN since it was registered to his name. I would think a database search might be effective. Good luck.

I checked the database and I have 2 cars which match your description (White Tan Gold CJB Ttops and 5 spd). Both were entered in 1999
1G2PG1191JP214053
1G2PG119XJP218604

PM me your Dad's name and I'll see if either car has a record with it (or, if another car which I don't have as much info on has his name associated with it).

If you have a carfax, I suppose you could run both the above vins and see if any of the older info matches your family's location when he owned it.

Also contact Fiero John-WI who runs the 88 TTOP registry for info. He's on here too.

Good Luck,

John

quote Originally posted by 88 Database Guy: I checked the database and I have 2 cars which match your description (White Tan Gold CJB Ttops and 5 spd). Both were entered in 1999 1G2PG1191JP214053 1G2PG119XJP218604 PM me your Dad's name and I'll see if either car has a record with it (or, if another car which I don't have as much info on has his name associated with it). If you have a carfax, I suppose you could run both the above vins and see if any of the older info matches your family's location when he owned it. Also contact Fiero John-WI who runs the 88 TTOP registry for info. He's on here too. Good Luck, John

John,
That's pretty cool man way to narrow it down. I would not be surprised if it was one of those two since it is an odd combination of options... Way to go...peace

Pete

I'm glad to see that the 88database guy is still taking down Fiero information. You haven't posted in a while.

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quote Originally posted by brownc00: .. 88 GT, CJB, white 5spd Gold wheels Beechwood leather with performance sound Spoiler delete ...

Was that rare? How rare exactly?

Thanks guys. I know I'm not very active here anymore Old Lar, but with some luck I'll be able to stop in more often soon.

Back to the car. Rare? from a percentage point of view, I'm going to estimate that there were about 10 cars produced of all wheel colors. Gold being less common (although for this color combo probably pretty popular) there might be 4-6 made in total. How many had performance sound? I don't know. I'll bet Fiero John -WI knows though, or maybe Ray Paulk of the TTOP registry. I misspoke earlier about Fiero John running the registry, sorry about that Ray. But, both Fiero John - WI and Ray probably know the real numbers versus my percentage based guesses.

I had three through the shop last summer that match that description..............

quote Originally posted by brownc00: Spoiler delete

I hate to nitpick but this isn't an option... the Spoiler only came standard on two models and that was the 84 Indy and the 88 Formula. On every other model it was added. There is no such thing as a spoiler delete option for the GT.

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Cool. So maybe my White 88 GT CJB, beechwood, gold rims and all options (not sure about lumbar) may be rare Or more accurate was rare

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Red: TPI V8 + 6-Speed White: 3800SC auto
304rwHP/366rwTQ

Well, they made 6849 GT's, 1525 of them were white, and they made 614 CJB cars.

Don't have any other info on the Lumbar, Gold wheels or wingless..........

Thanks for the info everyone. I'm working on tracking down a VIN.

quote Originally posted by 88 Database Guy: Thanks guys. I know I'm not very active here anymore Old Lar, but with some luck I'll be able to stop in more often soon. Back to the car. Rare? from a percentage point of view, I'm going to estimate that there were about 10 cars produced of all wheel colors. Gold being less common (although for this color combo probably pretty popular) there might be 4-6 made in total. How many had performance sound? I don't know. I'll bet Fiero John -WI knows though, or maybe Ray Paulk of the TTOP registry. I misspoke earlier about Fiero John running the registry, sorry about that Ray. But, both Fiero John - WI and Ray probably know the real numbers versus my percentage based guesses.

This post got me to thinking. Sorry, nothing to do with the OP's original question. Regardless, I didn't realize there was anyone doing a T Top Registry. My question is, do you share information that you have with Fiero John. Pretty sure I've given you the VINs for all six of my Fieros, one being a CJB Formula. I don't mind you sharing that with John.

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Ron
The key thing is to wake up breathing! All the rest can be fixed. (Except Stupid - You can't fix that)
Always remember these words of wisdom.

"The Lord must truly love fools, for he made them in abundance."

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Well, they made 6849 GT's, 1525 of them were white, and they made 614 CJB cars. .........

There were only 614 GT CJBs created in all the world? or is that just the white ones? Not clear to me.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: There were only 614 GT CJBs created in all the world? or is that just the white ones? Not clear to me.

Only 614 GT CJB's were made. Specifying color narrows it down either further.

I've never seen CJB info that ties into the color code.

Anybody have that breakdown?

Ray Paulk here and I AM the one who Records all the Fiero T-Tops, including the CJBs and aftermarket conversions. Fiero John and I have often worked together on this. I have the advantage of being an Engineer and write databases. There were 1252 official CJB factory authorized and arranged conversions. I have fully documented 390 of these.

There were 4 Meras, 614 GTs, 299 Formulas and 339 Coupes. Of these, 207 were white (108 GTs)
There were 206 with gold wheels, 707 with black wheels, 339 with Hi-Tech wheels
Lumbar seat was the rarest option with only 42 having it. If the seats are beechwood, your down to only 13.


There have only been (4) CJB Fieros documented with every premium factory options (GT, Lumbar or Leather seats, floor mats, rear defogger, wing, auto trans, Eq radio, performance sound, gold wheels, and the 1SA option package (tint glass, tilt wheel, controlled washer, AC, trunk lamp, visor mirror, Cruise, PW, PL)

If you have a CJB T-Top, and want some good documentation on it, send me a photo of the SPI label (a large white label fixed to the front left inner fender wall, inside the front trunk. I also need all the owner info. Send to Ray@RaytheRealtor.com

Fact is that my database is designed to document any Fiero. Send me a photo of the SPI label and the owner info, and I'll send you back a Registry Record and a deciphered list of the RPO codes so you will know how it was originally built and what the original MSRP price was.

If you want me to see if I have any info on a T-Top, send me as much info as you have and I'll see what I can do.

BTW, if you have any interest in Fiero toys, I collect and document them. I have over 500 unique fiero toys in my collection.

Ray Paulk
Hopedale, MA
508-922-1961

As to the beechwood lumbar seats, are you saying that only 13 cars were made that way or only 13 in conjunction with the white and the CJB t-tops?

quote Originally posted by Fiero Toy Box: Ray Paulk here and I AM the one who Records all the Fiero T-Tops, including the CJBs and aftermarket conversions. Fiero John and I have often worked together on this. I have the advantage of being an Engineer and write databases. There were 1252 official CJB factory authorized and arranged conversions. I have fully documented 390 of these. There were 4 Meras, 614 GTs, 299 Formulas and 339 Coupes. Of these, 207 were white (108 GTs) There were 206 with gold wheels, 707 with black wheels, 339 with Hi-Tech wheels Lumbar seat was the rarest option with only 42 having it. If the seats are beechwood, your down to only 13. There have only been (4) CJB Fieros documented with every premium factory options (GT, Lumbar or Leather seats, floor mats, rear defogger, wing, auto trans, Eq radio, performance sound, gold wheels, and the 1SA option package (tint glass, tilt wheel, controlled washer, AC, trunk lamp, visor mirror, Cruise, PW, PL) If you have a CJB T-Top, and want some good documentation on it, send me a photo of the SPI label (a large white label fixed to the front left inner fender wall, inside the front trunk. I also need all the owner info. Send to Ray@RaytheRealtor.com Fact is that my database is designed to document any Fiero. Send me a photo of the SPI label and the owner info, and I'll send you back a Registry Record and a deciphered list of the RPO codes so you will know how it was originally built and what the original MSRP price was. If you want me to see if I have any info on a T-Top, send me as much info as you have and I'll see what I can do. BTW, if you have any interest in Fiero toys, I collect and document them. I have over 500 unique fiero toys in my collection. Ray Paulk Hopedale, MA 508-922-1961

Wow, some good info there... I've talked with Fiero John back when I first picked up my CJB last year, so you may have my info already. Might shoot you an email in the next day or two just for the specifics though. Only 49 CJB's with lumbar seats total? That's pretty cool to know since mine has them!

Robert

Paul, the car you describe as being ultra rare is precisely what I own. I will snap a picture tomorrow and send it to you via PM.

"There have only been (4) CJB Fieros documented with every premium factory options (GT, Lumbar or Leather seats, floor mats, rear defogger, wing, auto trans, Eq radio, performance sound, gold wheels, and the 1SA option package (tint glass, tilt wheel, controlled washer, AC, trunk lamp, visor mirror, Cruise, PW, PL)"

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/057266.html

Lol anychance of this being it?..

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JSzpotek's 3800NA Series III L26 White 87 Fiero GT

Well Hello Fiero Community and to John (88 Database) and to you Ray (the fiero toy god) it's been a long time since I have talked to you guys, especially you Ray (and I noticed by your posting you finally got some free time to join Pennocks which is great!!) As people have mentioned on here I (FIERO JOHN-WI) have been working on the 1988 Fiero ship thru t-top program CJB cars ( I'm scared when I say it aloud, "since late of 1991") , and thank you and to everyone that stays in contact with me about their 88 t-top fieros and to the guys who refer guys/gal to me with them.
All 3 of us mentioned above are working on different goals when it comes to the 1988 fiero but yet our work is important to each other and the Fiero community. You see:
88 database- is trying to get all information on all 1988 fieros in general (options, colors, models, who owns it, if it's crashed or still on the road)

Ray the fiero toy god- is just registering "only 1988 Fiero t-tops" (all the options, colors, models and their OWNERS or owned it last and must have the RPO sticker)

Fiero John-WI (me)- I from day one have only been looking for only 1988 Fiero CJB T-top (the ship thru T-top option meaning the 1252 cars produced in 1988) I am looking for
(1)The Vin#
(2) Models type: GT, Formula, Base Coupe,
(3)Exterior color
(4)Interior color
(5)Transmission
(6)Seat option in the GT's (since they could have 3 different seats)
That is all I have been looking for since day one, now some have asked; Why don't you keep track of the owners? (that is Ray's department, that is what a Registry is, when he says T-Top Registry) Why don't I try to get all the options? Most options on the fiero especially as it has gotten older, people have added options or taken off because it's easy, (example performance sound, power mirror, radio, spolier) then add on top of that the owner trades the fiero in to a dealership (you get the picture) so like Ray said he needs the RPO codes. Well as I have found out since doing this since late 1991 till now, a lot of these cars end up (as mentioned above)for sale at dealerships, junkyard or someone finds one in a parking lot and they can't or don't or forget or give me that information (so I would rather have some information then none,) Plus I feel the options I am looking for are a little bit harder to change out (Interior swap, transmission swap or color change) will cost more or time, (Now I do realize that the seat can be changed out, but I am still hopeful) Last question, Why can't we get the info from Pontiac? We tried!! Back in the day Ray and I even went as far as to call 1-800 PM-CARES (and got some of the numbers, until they caught on "Remember that Ray " (LOL) We didn't get any help from the Pontiac Historic society (well just a little bit) just ask Ray , it was like pulling teeth just to get the info on 1988 White Fiero GT with t-top and options (which we both own) after he got that info the Pontiac Historical Society ( didn't want either of us to bother him)

As I mentioned I continue to get CJB 1988 Fiero t-top car info, but as all three of us have been doing all this as a "Grass Roots" operation, I want everyone to be clear on this, so if myself, or Ray or 88 Database Guy, can't give you the direct answer on something, I just want you to keep that in mind and all 3 of us appreicate your help from everyone in the Fiero community when you send us emails, phone calls, or even letters, with your information on your 1988 fiero.
Enjoy your weekend everyone and here is my email address: podziemj@matc.edu

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To whom should I send my VIN# and information to? I have the following:

1988 GT CJB with Auto
Rear Wing
AC
PW
PM
Tilt Wheel
Cruise
Automatic windshield washer
Trunk Light
Rear Defrost
Power Trunk
Floor Mats
Lumbar Seats in cloth
Beechwood Interior
Premium Sound
Tinted Glass
Visor Mirror
Gold Honeycomb Rims
AM/FM/ Cassette with EQ

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You need to post your vin# as well

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VIN # 1G2PG1194JP220364