Ok, I am doing some research and would like your semi/professional opinion.... As far as wheel spacers are concerned... How BIG can I go and it still be safe..?? I know that I will be using a 1" spacer on the front. So, I guess the question is for the rear... NOW, Before you answer, remember that I have 4.9L w/ lots of torque... Now, answer... Thanks for joining this discussion.
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Posts: 2165 From: Clifton Park, New York, The States. Registered: Sep 2009
Spacers suck! Adapters on the other hand are not a bad thing. The difference being one is bolt on the other is not. Just make sure to get a good quality set. Eibach used to make some that carried a 1 million mile warrenty in a 5x100, though I can't seem to find them anymore. Don't buy ebay specials if you want your car to stay together. Adapters are not nearly as bad as some people would have you believe.
I thought these might be a good way to go... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TRD-3604/ 5x100 to 5x4.5 adapter (also known as 5x114.3). Finding wheel offsets that work is not easier then 5x100 though... unless you have a very wide body. He he. I mean your car of course!
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Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
I guess that I have adapters on mine since they stay on when I remove the wheels. I have 2" in front and 4" in the back. I drove from new jersey to idaho a year ago and haven't had any problems. I broke the isuzu that's behind my 350 vortec and no adapter problems. That being said, I'm going to install my held suspension with 13" rotors. I did apply full torque a few times and some fairly hard cornering.
Here's my 2 cents worth on wheel adapters/spacers. I did a lot of searching and reading on wheel adapters because I was weary of them. What I found is that many off road race teams use the adapters on thier race vehicles - up to and including the 800 HP 4 wheel drive super trucks - they run them at the Baja 1000 and never have issues with them. They use them to compensate for different wheel/tire combo's that they use for different race conditions - rocky terrain requires different tires than those used on a closed track course - all designed to keep the tires within the wheel wells and / or a specific center line for wheel track width, etc. etc. - I have no idea about offroad racing - just relaying what several teams talked about during my search.
Another thing to keep in mind is how they are made. Some of the ones - really most of the ones on EBay are of poor quality. They use a standard length stud and recess them into the adapter. You want the ones that use the appropriate length stud that allows the head of the stud to sit flush with the rotor side of the adapter. When the adapter is torqued to the hub, this "captures" the stud and eliminates the potential of the stud "wobbling" and failing. I have 1.5 in the front and 2.5 in the back - could probably go to 3 or 3.5 in the back but I can fill what's left simply by going with a wider tire. That's the other consideration - use the thinest adapter and the widest tire combo to achieve the fit you are looking for.
One caution is how you torque the lug nut holding the wheel to the adapter. If you over torque, you run the risk of "spinning" the stud in the aluminum adapter. Getting the tire off at a later date will prove disasterous - resulting in the destruction of the wheel to get it off the car. A quality spacer will come with torque specs for the lug nut to wheel. Follow them!
Once in awhile, a quality manufacturere will come up on E Bay. Search with Google or your favorite search engine. WHen you find them, call the company and ask questions. PISA Corp in Phoenix makes quality adapters. Just call them and talk to them about what it is you want. One more important thing to remember is to make sure the adapters you are using are set up for concentric to concentric. You want the adapter to fit snuggly on the concentric ring on the hub and the adapter needs the concenrtic ring machined into it for the wheel. This distributes the load and centers the wheel, adapter and hub.
I ran adapters on the XTC for over 10k miles. I kept a close eye on them - meaning I would periodically remove the wheels and check/recheck the torque on the lug nuts holding the adapter to the hub. Not once did I find a loose one. Not one issue with them so far. Now keep in mind that it was running a Duke - not a lot of torque and HP. We just completed a 4.9 swap on the XTC and will have to "wait and see" how the adapters hold up to a little more torque and HP. Time will tell. If a 4000 lb super truck with 800 hp flying through the air fr 40 plus feet does not break them, I seriously doubt my 200hp Fiero will hurt them.
Bottom line for me is that if I did not have to use them, I would not. Unfortunatley, if you are running a wide body, it's the only way other than paying a lot of money for custom built-lengthened suspension parts or having custom deep dish wheels made specifically for your car. I simply can't afford that kind of money so I just keep my eye on the adapters. 1st sign of trouble and I'll have to rethink it. Some will argue about changing the center of the load on wheel bearings and suspension, etc. My take on all of that is if I were racing at Indy or Limerock I may be concerned - for my daily driver - I am not too worried.
Spacers - those things that just sit over the existing studs - even if you have to install longer studs in the hub are a bad idea. I have used these in the past on a drag car in the front and was constantly having problems - mostly the lugs would loosen off and then the spacer would "float" around and eat up the studs, wheel wobbles, studs break, etc. Never use a spacer.
That was more like 2 dollars worth!
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I always heard not to install spacers/adapters. But, Katatak did his homework, and I remember following his information. Many race teams use adapters in their applications. If a quality unit can withstand the forces applied during racing, I feel that street use is not out of the question.
Posts: 285 From: Moose Jaw, SK Canada Registered: Aug 2009
Okie Dokie... If I choose to go this add on route, then it will be adapters. Thanks everyone for their input. Kevin... Thats ok Mister, take your jabs at me w/ your glass sword... WHY..?? Because it is I that will have the last laugh this time...
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