OK... First off, yes i did search and found some of the answers.... I was gone for almost 5 years, so I am way behind...lol What colors are all the Choptops and what engine do they have..?? Also, what state has the most..??
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Posts: 8650 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
OK... First off, yes i did search and found some of the answers.... I was gone for almost 5 years, so I am way behind...lol What colors are all the Choptops and what engine do they have..?? Also, what state has the most..??
The most ? Whatever state madcurl calls home hehehe
I built a flat black 85 Chop top with a 4.9. I loved the car but had to sell it. Out of all my cars and swaps it was my favorite all around town and hwy car. Look up the Mutt chop top thread, it was also the first all glass window Chop Top. It makes some people angry but if people would get rid of their prejudice, that car should be on the list of ground breaking cars. If I had not been the one to do it when others said it could not be done it would have been different. I also have a Silver/Black Chop Wide Top with a 3.4 turbo running a GMC Cyclone ecm. Next is a Chop top that will have production car glass windows, that will be a ground breaker car also. Will it get any credit here, I don’t think it will but I still will be around and I will still be building Chops. I even get trashed for making all my cars different but I do not want to be a number on a list. I look at it like been there done it; make it better and easier for the next guy.
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DIY_Stu Member
Posts: 2337 From: Republic of TX Registered: Jun 2007
HEy now don't forget me. The mind behind the Chop Wide Top. After riding in a regular chop top I had a lump on the side of my head from the driver taking a turn and my head meeting the B pillar. This made me have to lean in towards the center which I didn't like. So when we chopped mine I wanted to spread the roof just a bit.
Mine's MAny colors with 3800SC
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Carver1 Member
Posts: 2843 From: Edgewood, New Mexico Registered: Nov 2000
OK... First off, yes i did search and found some of the answers.... I was gone for almost 5 years, so I am way behind...lol What colors are all the Choptops and what engine do they have..?? Also, what state has the most..??
HEy now don't forget me. The mind behind the Chop Wide Top. After riding in a regular chop top I had a lump on the side of my head from the driver taking a turn and my head meeting the B pillar. This made me have to lean in towards the center which I didn't like. So when we chopped mine I wanted to spread the roof just a bit.
Mine's MAny colors with 3800SC
Yes, Stu has the first Wide body Chop. Stu spoke and he got it. I liked it so much I did my next car as a wide chop top.
I built a flat black 85 Chop top with a 4.9. I loved the car but had to sell it. Out of all my cars and swaps it was my favorite all around town and hwy car. Look up the Mutt chop top thread, it was also the first all glass window Chop Top. It makes some people angry but if people would get rid of their prejudice, that car should be on the list of ground breaking cars. If I had not been the one to do it when others said it could not be done it would have been different. I also have a Silver/Black Chop Wide Top with a 3.4 turbo running a GMC Cyclone ecm. Next is a Chop top that will have production car glass windows, that will be a ground breaker car also. Will it get any credit here, I don’t think it will but I still will be around and I will still be building Chops. I even get trashed for making all my cars different but I do not want to be a number on a list. I look at it like been there done it; make it better and easier for the next guy.
I will donate my 3800SC 88 Coupe for the stock window chop....We can make it happen when you want just let me know....
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Will-Martin Member
Posts: 1164 From: DFW, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2002
Not sure about everyone elses' chops. Mine is here in Texas, but still white and primer and still WITHOUT an engine.
Yep a Lot of Chops in the Great State of Texas. I'm still here to help ya Will, just a lot further south now. Stephen, I bought the land just have to get my old place sold so I can get the new garage built. My wife made me promise not to work on cars at the rent house. As every one knows from the Spring fling accuracy contest. I don’t want her mad and throwing things. LOL Archie please stop trashing people every chance you get. Will and all of us know were his car is. Think about Will, stirring up old news and making people angry is not going to help anyone.
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
So has he made any progress or is he still blowin' smoke your way?
Has he at least cut the weeds growing up thru the empty engine bay?
Do you still seriously think he's ever going to finish the job you paid him to do 4 or 5 years ago?
Archie
Hey Archie, you leaving any more rubber hoses in customers intake boots so the throttle will hang open on the freeway almost killing them? Then the customer calls and they are only 45 minutes from your shop and you tell them to get a tow truck back to the shop. Get off your a$$ and help someone that you and your staff almost killed on the freeway.
You filing any more bankrupies to avoid paying back real vendors and customers that shelled out thousands of dollars like the old days for you. Nice vendor bashing there guy.
Hey Archie, you leaving any more rubber hoses in customers intake boots so the throttle will hang open on the freeway almost killing them? Then the customer calls and they are only 45 minutes from your shop and you tell them to get a tow truck back to the shop. Get off your a$$ and help someone that you and your staff almost killed on the freeway.
You filing any more bankrupies to avoid paying back real vendors and customers that shelled out thousands of dollars like the old days for you. Nice vendor bashing there guy.
How many cars have you got at your place that have been 100% paid for & are not done yet?
I'll bet there's 4 or 5 cases just like Will's.... where people have paid you $14K to $16K to do a swap & you haven't even started on them yet. But you've spent the money without a problem.
How about that guy in Houston who paid you more than $16K, 3 years ago to do a 3800SC swap? You know, he's the guy who gave you $16K & dropped off his car when he was shipped out to Iraq. After 2 tours of duty, he called you to arrainge to pick up his car when he returned & was going to pick it up as he was moving from SD to houston. That's when he found out you hadn't even started on it yet. He's been back from Iraq for more than a year now, Have you finished it yet?
Regarding my customer, there was no need to go after him because the problem was easily corrected when I told him how to remove the aircleaner & correct the problem. I could have him wait for a couple of hours while I get down there or spend 5 minutes having him do what I would have done when I got down there. He now lives in Milwaukee & he's visited my shop several times & we get along fine.
As far as vendor bashing...... I don't consider you a vendor, you're a thief. You've taken a lot of money from several people & have made no effort to supply what you've promised.
If I had pulled some of the crap on my customers as you have done to your customers, I'd be getting bashed by everyone & his brother. You just get to float along screwing even more people.
I think it's time you get off your a$$ & do right by your customers.
BTW, none of my customers nor any of my vendors has ever lost anything to me.
Archie
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fierocarparts Member
Posts: 2552 From: Dallas-Fort Worth TEXAS Registered: Feb 2009
Steve, Had no idea that this thread of asking an interesting question would go this direction. I was hoping for some good pics of finished Chops. Even though I have no plans to build one (plans can change), I still love the looks of them.
The patience that most of you have on your projects amazes me. Especially if the money is there. It surprises me how much the cost of putting a 3800SC into a Fiero has dropped in the last few years. I guess I have too high of expectations when I put out good money for services.
Archie-How long did you have Will's car from start to finish on the top? From the picture, it looks like it had an engine at your shop.
Will- So what plans do you have for the engine configuration now? You still live in Texas, right?
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
Archie, you are not even worth the argument you try to create so well. The story you try to create with the 3800 install at 14k-16k is a fabication in your mind. Never happen.
The most paid for a 3800SC install here was $12500 by a customer. Now, I personally invested right at $18k on my white 88GT and sold the car for $16,500. ( and the car is still running and driving flawlessly today )
FieroCarParts, the build > http://www.fastfieros.com/p...ill_m3800/will_m.htm Fully running and driving. I put just over 1000 miles on the car personally. What was decided between Will and I, is still between Will and I. Not PFF, not the Archie.
Steve, Sorry for hi-jacking your thread. I think that JScott has a lot of this info. I know that he and Mad Curl gave me tons of info when I was looking at the chop-top. F355Spider is very helpful as well. I think TroyBoy has taken his to a WOW point. SO you looking at chopping a top? Or is it a secret? Gunna make a build thread? I hope you have thick skin if you do start one.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Archie-How long did you have Will's car from start to finish on the top? From the picture, it looks like it had an engine at your shop.
Will- So what plans do you have for the engine configuration now? You still live in Texas, right?
We got the car on Nov. 21st. 2005. The Chop Top (including a couple of other things like shaved door handles) was done on Dec. 13th. Will got here to pick it up on Dec. 27th.
It did have a 3800sc in it when it got here. See Will had made the original appt. for the chop top at least 6 months earlier. However the guy (guess who) wasn't getting it done thru several promised delievery dates, so Will had to keep moving his dates back. When the car did get here it wasn't complete & couldn't be driven for several reasons. That's why you see the tow dolly in some of the pictures. When Will picked it up here, he took it, on the tow dolly, directly to Loydes to complete what he didn't do in the 6 months he had it before it came here for a chop.
So, you see Will has been waiting for his car since at least early 2005 when he 1st took it to Loyde.
Archie
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
The most paid for a 3800SC install here was $12500 by a customer. Now, I personally invested right at $18k on my white 88GT and sold the car for $16,500. ( and the car is still running and driving flawlessly today )
The one thing that I'm sure you have discovered........ that no matter how much you charge........
THAT IT'S ALL PROFIT WHEN THE CUSTOMER DOESN'T GET ANYTHING.
So how many cars do you have sitting around there growing weeds?
Archie
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
We got the car on Nov. 21st. 2005. The Chop Top (including a couple of other things like shaved door handles) was done on Dec. 13th. Will got here to pick it up on Dec. 27th.
It did have a 3800sc in it when it got here. See Will had made the original appt. for the chop top at least 6 months earlier. However the guy (guess who) wasn't getting it done thru several promised delievery dates, so Will had to keep moving his dates back. When the car did get here it wasn't complete & couldn't be driven for several reasons. That's why you see the tow dolly in some of the pictures. When Will picked it up here, he took it, on the tow dolly, directly to Loydes to complete what he didn't do in the 6 months he had it before it came here for a chop.
So, you see Will has been waiting for his car since at least early 2005 when he 1st took it to Loyde.
Archie
Thats a real good lie there Archie. The car was 100% running and driving because I drove it off my trailer into your shop. I offered you a ride in the car and you declined. I told Will I didnt want HIM to drive the car home from IL because no telling what you messed up doing the chop top ( which is .250 off on the roof line as noted by MustangBware ) . Will got the car from you and brought it back here for another UPDATE he wanted. We drove the car together only one week after that date, whatever it was. I then drove the car another 500 plus miles including to 2 NTFC meetings.
Thats a real good lie there Archie. The car was 100% running and driving because I drove it off my trailer into your shop. I offered you a ride in the car and you declined. I told Will I didnt want HIM to drive the car home from IL because no telling what you messed up doing the chop top ( which is .250 off on the roof line as noted by MustangBware ) . Will got the car from you and brought it back here for another UPDATE he wanted. We drove the car together only one week after that date, whatever it was. I then drove the car another 500 plus miles including to 2 NTFC meetings.
You told me when you dropped it off that you didn't want it driven (other than in & out of the building) because you hadn't finished the programming on the ECM & that it was in the limp-home mode because you hadn't finished programming it.
Edited to add >>>> I'm the one who had to tell Will that he had to bring a trailer to pick it up. When he was scheduling to come & pick it up, he was planning to drive it home. I'm the one who had to tell him that he couldn't drive it home. YOU hadn't even bothered to tell him that he couldn't drive it home from my place because you were not even done with it.
Archie
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Whatever.. Have a good day whats left of it. I dont troll threads on PFF to get in pissing matches, and I sure have not put any of my customers in a LIFE and DEATH situation.
Thats a real good lie there Archie. The car was 100% running and driving because I drove it off my trailer into your shop. I offered you a ride in the car and you declined. I told Will I didnt want HIM to drive the car home from IL because no telling what you messed up doing the chop top ( which is .250 off on the roof line as noted by MustangBware ) . Will got the car from you and brought it back here for another UPDATE he wanted. We drove the car together only one week after that date, whatever it was. I then drove the car another 500 plus miles including to 2 NTFC meetings.
You know what, I could really care less about this feud you have going. I don't know you or Will, but I do know Archie. I have dealt with Archie and he has never done me wrong. I've always gotten what I've paid for from him. I do have a simple question though, is Will's car done yet? If so then say so and prove it then everyone shut's up about it. From what I've read on here there have been MANY issues with delivering your products and services that have been bought and paid for in full. This scares me and would cause me great concern if I were involved in a business transaction with you. I've seen some of your work and I will say what I've seen looks to be quality work, back it up with proper customer service and I'm sure you'll have many happy customers.
Mike/F355spider, Come on man, talk up your stuff and quit trying to pick an argument. Your stuff looks to be pretty nice, why bother trying to chum the waters looking for a fight? I mean really, what's the point? Your stuff is different than Archie's and if you and others like it than great, have at it. People out there like Archie's stuff too, even if you don't. Everyone has options out there and everyone can have a different way of going about things. What's wrong with that? Let's play nice, it's much more fun
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10:14 PM
exoticse Member
Posts: 8650 From: Orlando, Fl Registered: Jun 2003
Llyod for the record i have seen your work and it is outstanding, and i personally really, really would like to see your business flourish as we fiero owners have very few vendors to choose from as is.
That being said, the issue of Wills car seems pretty far out there ? From Will's comments it seems as if he has NO IDEA what is going on with his car and if you ever plan to make good on what's owed. Maybe Will can clear this all up ?? Is FastFieros being unfairly bashed ?
Will do you have any idea what he is talking about or what he plans to do about finishing your car ?
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
There as been several Fino and Finale owners that regret the day they gave any money to V8Archie. Then there are the countless lies including those that were on his website about stock 400HP SBC engines with manual transmissions that could handle all you can put to it.
And to those that buy parts from Archie, keep buying. I have no problem with that. I have plenty on my plate right now to keep me busy all summer.
talk about a slow streak!
