I've been using mine as a daily driver (only this week so far). But I still dont have A/C. If I wanted to cool down, roll the windows

Mine has not worked since before i bought it. My car in Memphis has not had a functioning ac since the middle 90s. It would be nice though

quote Originally posted by ClayTonto: I thought you could just remove all the components. What parts do you need to delete the A/C?

Well if you still want heat you can swap in the Non/AC HVAC unit which saves some weight and space over the other unit along with the simpler control unit. If you want additional airflow inside the cab you can put in the additional fresh air vents that I mentioned. I am planning on putting up the components I have for sale so I will take pictures and share them in this thread for documentation sake.

Being that my DD is black, I couldn't stand to drive it without A/C. At least I don't have a sunroof so the top of my (thinning hair but NOT balding) head doesn't get cooked as well I really need to run a vac down the ducting to see if I have leaves etc. blocking my system at the recharge did give me cool air but the volume of air isn't very strong.

I have 2 convertibles (duhh), and others I like to drive with windows down in summer. I even tried to order my new Magnum without air and couldnt. I took off all the AC on the New Yorker and thru it in the trunk.

I only using mine in the summer when one of my kids is with me. if it just me, 2 55mph works

hahahahaa what ac?

quote Originally posted by Jefrysuko: Well if you still want heat you can swap in the Non/AC HVAC unit which saves some weight and space over the other unit along with the simpler control unit. If you want additional airflow inside the cab you can put in the additional fresh air vents that I mentioned. I am planning on putting up the components I have for sale so I will take pictures and share them in this thread for documentation sake.

Very interested in seeing pics. Where are the fresh air vents located/ installed?

I plan on fixing mine this summer but i rareley use it.

A/C can go, but I would need to keep heat and defrost.

quote Originally posted by ClayTonto: Very interested in seeing pics. Where are the fresh air vents located/ installed?

For the record, I believe the extra vents are an 84 thing only.

Right

quote Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero: A/C can go, but I would need to keep heat and defrost.

The defrost will be useless without the A/C (air dryer).
But, anti-fog spray might do the trick.

Thanks, for the info on the 84 fresh air vents.
Is everything else on 85 up interchangeable?

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Ok, here are the pictures. First the "Air Box" that houses the Fan, heater core, and mixing flaps. Notice that it is all cable controled. It also does not protrude as far into the passenger or front compartment as the A/C equipt unit.





Then this is what controls all the cables.



Then these are the plugs which fill the holes in the spare tire tub where the A/C hoses used to go. There is still a place for the heater lines in the one but the other is simply a plug.

Well, considering where I live it never gets truly hot nor truly cold...I have no desire for AC in my Fiero. It'll just add weight and waste power. Even my daily driver only has the AC turned on a handful of times a year, when it's been left parked in the sun and I don't want to wait for the interior to cool naturally!

quote Originally posted by pmbrunelle: For the record, I believe the extra vents are an 84 thing only.

Yes, but I just checked my 88 and the holes exist for the vents. There are just plugs in place of where the vents would go. I think I will try and put these vents on one of my cars in the near future.

This is what operates the vents. It is located below the gauge pod on the right side.



There are two cables. One long one for the passenger side and a shorter one for the drivers side.



This is one of the vents showing the side which mounts to the chassis



This is the other vent with the "deflector" removed to show how it opens up to let air through



This is simply the "deflector." I really don't know what to call it I named it the deflector because it looks like it is supposed to deflect the air down towards your feet.



Then this is the best picture I could come up with showing where they mount to the chassis. This was my parts cars and as you can see I cut off the windshield and I actually cut off the top portion of the holes where the vents go. The holes are really close to the bottom of the windshield and allow the vents to draw air from the front cowl area where the windshield wiper linkage is.

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quote Originally posted by ClayTonto: I just read in Car and Driver that the Porsche GT3 doesn't come with A/C. I can think of a few other "track ready" cars that don't come with Stereos either for weight savings.

Count the Dodge Viper in that category... luxury removal is an option - supposed to remove a fair bit of weight.

Anyways... my GT doesn't have functional A/C either. Didn't bother me much this summer - I just used the vent and cracked the sunroof when going highway and kept the window down in city

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With the global cooling crisis about to happen, I think ac will be a thing of the past

my car is ac delete, thats why its painted white on top and black on bottom and not the reverse....i own a black chevy silverado with no ac and....it sucks. depends on the color of the car, if you need it or not.

quote Originally posted by ClayTonto: The defrost will be useless without the A/C (air dryer). But, anti-fog spray might do the trick. Thanks, for the info on the 84 fresh air vents. Is everything else on 85 up interchangeable?

Well how do all the cars, without factory a/c, defrost work?
Not to mention that the defrost already barely works

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quote Originally posted by Jefrysuko: Yes, but I just checked my 88 and the holes exist for the vents. There are just plugs in place of where the vents would go. I think I will try and put these vents on one of my cars in the near future.

Thanks for those pics, I've never seen the cable operated box before. I wonder if those extra vents were only on the non-a/c cars because I cut up an 84 and it also had covers where those extra vents would be. My other 84 also does not have the extra vents.

I am still on the original Freon from 1985 and man is it cold. At the vent I still get 43 degrees.

While most times I drive it with the tops out and the windows down I would not lose the air. Those hot August days coming home from a car show are much better in cold air. I have had the air on my hands on the wheel and they get so cold they hurt and on a hot day it is a good hurt.

Many people have forgotten how much better the old Feon was over the new stuff.

I even hae used the AC with the tops out when the sun is strong.

One other thing I noted my best 1/4 mile times are with the AC on.

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A/C is a must.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Thanks for those pics, I've never seen the cable operated box before. I wonder if those extra vents were only on the non-a/c cars because I cut up an 84 and it also had covers where those extra vents would be. My other 84 also does not have the extra vents.

I was wondering the same thing. Everything I have ever seen would indicate that they were only on A/C delete models. There may not be enough room for the additional vent on the passenger side with A/C due to the larger "Air Box" but it really looks possible on the drivers side which may be beneficial enough for me to do it if I don't sell the ones I have.

quote Originally posted by mtjd25: ...depends on the color of the car, if you need it or not.

Good point. Good thing I haven't painted my car yet.

quote Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero: Well how do all the cars, without factory a/c, defrost work? Not to mention that the defrost already barely works

I was simply referring to the A/C's ability to dehumidify the car. Look at it this way, when you run the A/C for a while, water accumulates on the condenser, well the opposite happens inside the car. It sucks the moisture out of the air. The defrost on a non-A/C car probably works fine in Michigan, but in the hot and humid south, on a rainy summer day, no A/C means low visibilty due to fogging. I'm sure others have experienced this.

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Canada? You dont know what a hot summer is

quote Originally posted by pmbrunelle: I don't see how resale value is important, because these are money pit project cars - with or without A/C, Fieros are pretty worthless. Every bit of weight reduction helps - it's just a question of is the compromise worth it to you? Not with my Fiero, but in my previous car in which I deleted the working A/C system, here's a story: It was a hot summer day, and I had a female friend as a passenger. She asked me if it would be okay for her to remove her shirt, so that she wouldn't get a diagonal sweat line from the seat belt on her shirt!

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88 LT1

quote Originally posted by pmbrunelle: I don't see how resale value is important

Because I wouldn't pay $0.02 for a Fiero with the a/c removed.

Lived in MD & now S/W Florida. To answer the question, no I wouldn't remove it.

I've found driving a car with a/c is more comfortable. Sure, here in fl, there are a few days, now & then when it's cool enough for windows only.

While driving cross country various times in ac & non ac cars, I found I can drive further - longer with a/c cars then with out. Driving through Texas, Arizona, New Mexico & Nevada w/o air was ridiculous.

When I had the 60 mile one way commute everyday to work, (office work) I was glad to arrive fresh, not sweaty. Worked with some people that smelled like they left the gym w/o showering.

Out of 12 cars, only had 1 w/o air.

My 1st car, 74 Hornet, did not have a/c, as a teenager, I'd wished it did.
2nd car, 79 Mercury Capri, I made sure to order it with a/c.
3rd car, used 82 VW Rabbit diesel, did not come with a/c, I had it added for only 250 bucks, it worked great.
4th car, used 85 Jetta diesel, had a/c
5th car, 84 Fiero w/ a/c
6th car, 85 Fiero w/ a/c
7th car, 87 Fiero GT w/ a/c
8th car, 95 Contour w/ a/c
9th car , 87 coupe w/ a/c
10th car, 99 Cherokee w/ a/c
11th car, 02 Suburban w/ 2 a/c's (front & back)
12th car, 04 Suburban, w/ 2 a/c's (front & back)

this is California, Ac is a must!

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The belt on my A/C finally wore out completely recently. I do not like not having it working, it's far more comfortable with it and the Fiero A/C is excellent (cools the car down on a hot day very quickly).

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RHD 1987 Pontiac Fiero GT

this is California, Ac is a must!

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quote Originally posted by ClayTonto: The defrost will be useless without the A/C (air dryer). But, anti-fog spray might do the trick. Thanks, for the info on the 84 fresh air vents. Is everything else on 85 up interchangeable?

Ive had plenty of old cars that didnt come with AC. It was a rare option in 60s. Defrosters on them seem to all have worked fine for 50 years. My 70 New Yorker even has factory rear defroster that is simply a blower fan mounted under the rear package shelf (no grid). My 66 Coronet has no AC and I drive it year round and no prob with defrosters in it either.

When, I went to pick up my car from whodeanie's a few months ago. It was 80 degrees and pouring rain. All I know is I could barely see thru the windshield all the way home. It is definately a problem where I live and, before I remove the A/C entirely, it will need to be solved. This also happens in my Metro in the rain, because I have to turn the A/C off at redlights (3-cylinder LOL), the windows begin to fog until I hit the A/C toggle again.
Newer cars will lock the compressor clutch if you just put it on the defrost setting, regardless of where your thermostat is set.

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I went the other way an added AC. Not only are the heater controls different, but the connectors to the controls are different as well. The AC box has two servo motors to operate the doors, the heater control has more levers, and consequently cables to control the doors.
Jim