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According to the Cash For Clunkers official list........ by Oreif
Started on: 09-25-2009 07:09 AM
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Report this Post09-25-2009 07:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
Looks like 61 Fiero's were turned in for the C4C program.
Also check out the list of other vehicles. If you don't think a dealership may have scammed some cars, think again. How does a 2006 Corolla or a 2008 Hyundai Accent even qualify?? A 2006 Cadillac STS even if you assume it was totalled is worth more in parts than $4500 and the vehicles had to be running/driving vehicles.

The GNX on the list was confirmed by the folks on the GNX forum as being a trashed car. They actually had a group get the car so it would run/drive so the owner could trade it in.

http://www.autoblog.com/200...hat-deserved-better/

 
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Cash for Clunkers claimed some really interesting vehicles - Was a Buick GNX among them?

Mixed reaction has surrounded the government's Cash for Clunkers program, but after spending around $2.8 billion, some 700,000 new vehicles have found homes. But what got traded in? We've heard some horror stories, but now that the full list of executed vehicles has been released on the Cars.gov website and we've listed some of the oddities we found while snooping around. Many are down right hard to believe, suggesting either errors in the submission process, typos in the list or even some fudging by dealers who clunked a few vehicles that weren't eligible. After the jump is a list of "Clunkers" that stood out. We can't guarantee these all really went to the crusher, but they do appear on the list.

Follow the jump for a recap of the program's eligibility requirements for trade-in vehicles and our full list. And we'd suggest having a box of tissues nearby.

[Source: Cars.gov]

We've outlined the rules of the government's Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act of 2009 (CARS) program before, but we think a refresher is warranted before you browse the list below. Customers were able to bring in an old "clunker" no older than model year 1984 that got, at most, 18 mpg if they were buying a new vehicle with better mpg. That trade-in had to be in running condition and insured for at least one year prior to the trade. A rebate of $3,500-$4,500 for the trade was applied towards a new car purchase based on the difference in mpg between the old and the new vehicle. Dealers did most of the work, verifying the eligibility of the traded vehicle and seeing to it that the old cars were properly disposed of. That included disabling the engine and guaranteeing the cars were shredded before the government refunded the money.

NOTE: We find it hard to believe that many vehicles in the list below were actually destroyed through the Cash for Clunkers program, and while they may be officially on the list, their inclusion is more likely explained by an error in the submission process, typos or dealerships that managed to game the system.


Individual Vehicles

1987 Buick ASC GNX
1997 Aston Martin DB7 Volante
1997 Bentley Continental R
1989 20th Anniversary Pontiac Trans Am
1992 GMC Typhoon (no!)
1985 Audi Quattro
1992 BMW 850i
2006 Audi A4 Convertible
2006 Cadillac STS
2008 Foose F-150 (2)
2007 GMC Acadias (3)
2008 Hyundai Accent (see above)
2006 Nissan 350Z Roadster
2006 Roush Stage 3 F-150 (2)
2006 Toyota Corolla
2005 Mazda RX-8
2002 Kia Spectra
1988 Aurora Cobra kit car
1996 Buick Funeral Coaches/Hearses
1987 Duntov GT
1987 Excalibur Autos Phaeton
1990 Honda CRX (Less than 18 mpg?)
1985 Maserati Quattroporte
1999 Mercedes C43 AMG
1985 TVR 280i convertible

Groupings

(18) Audi S4 and S6
(31) AM General postal vehicles
(24) Alfa Romeo 164
(60) AMC Eagle
(53) Audi A8
(3,500+) BMWs including an M3, M5, Z3, 850i and (3) 740il Protection
(52) Cadillac Allante
(15) Cadillac Commercial Chassis/Limousines
(1,007) Chevy Camaro
(97) Chevy Corvette
(5) AWD Chrysler 300
(17) Chrysler Conquest
(39) Chrysler TC by Maserati
(3) Dodge Conquest
(6) Dodge Daytona
(210) Dodge Stealth
(16) Eagle Talon
(2) Federal Coach Lincoln Limo
(2) Ford Aspire (didn't these things get like 30 mpg?)
(855) Ford Crown Victoria CNG
(917) Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
(14) USPS Ford Explorer
(24) Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
(1,611) Ford Mustang (so Mustang beats Camaro here)
(107) Ford Taurus SHO (don't tell Neff)
(15) Isuzu Vehicross
(1,047) Jaguars including (9) XJR, (2) XK8 and (96) XJS
(3) Laforza SUV
(6) Maseratis including a Biturbo and the 1985 Quattroporte
(373) Mazda RX-7
(5,000+) Mercedes-Benz including (142) SL, (3) S600, a 1994 E500, a 1992 500E, 1995 C36 and 1999 C43
(26) Merkur Scorpio and (21) XR4Ti
(187) Mitsubishi 3000GT
(3) Mitsubishi Eclipse and (4) Starion
(2) 1984 Nissan 200SX, (2) 1994 240SX and (381) 300ZX
(1,935) Oldsmobile Aurora
(22) Peugeot
(87) Pontiac Aztek (more please), (61) Fiero and (569) Firebird/Trans Am/Formula
(6) Porsche 928 including (2) S4
(6) Porsche 944
(597) Saab
(3) Saturn
(20) Sterling
(173) Subaru including (123) SVX
(327) Toyota Supra, including (4) final generation


Ooops, Sorry I didn't see the other thread.

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Report this Post09-25-2009 07:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
I looked over the list and noticed something. After the first week of the C4C many reports were that the Ford Explorer and the Jeep Grand Cherokee models were the highest traded in vehicles and yet on the "official list" only 14 Explorers and no Jeep's are on it ??????????? I don't even see a Ford Winstar or a Dodge Caravan on the list as well.

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The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins:
1. 1998 Ford Explorer
2. 1997 Ford Explorer
3. 1996 Ford Explorer
4. 1999 Ford Explorer
5. Jeep Grand Cherokee
6. Jeep Cherokee
7. 1995 Ford Explorer
8. 1994 Ford Explorer
9. 1997 Ford Windstar
10. 1999 Dodge Caravan



Can you say "Scam" ??
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Originally posted by Oreif:

I looked over the list and noticed something. After the first week of the C4C many reports were that the Ford Explorer and the Jeep Grand Cherokee models were the highest traded in vehicles and yet on the "official list" only 14 Explorers and no Jeep's are on it ??????????? I don't even see a Ford Winstar or a Dodge Caravan on the list as well.

Can you say "Scam" ??


Can you say BLASPHEMY!! >>> (569) Firebird/Trans Am/Formula <<< Not only do I have sit here and get thinking about the Fiero's NOW I have to get pissed because they crushed almost 600 F/T/F's.. I am hating the direction in which this country is going more and more every day, anybody have time machine so I can transport back to the 60's?, of course I would take a couple of Fiero's with me just to make people wonder
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Report this Post09-25-2009 08:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero84FreakSend a Private Message to Fiero84FreakDirect Link to This Post
Yeah... I find it hard to believe that any car on that individual list was actually traded in.

Probably a good deal of 'working' of the paperwork.
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Report this Post09-25-2009 09:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GS JonClick Here to visit GS Jon's HomePageSend a Private Message to GS JonDirect Link to This Post
Sorry, gotta do it: Repost.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/077654.html

It was even here on the first page.
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Report this Post09-25-2009 09:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula88Send a Private Message to Formula88Direct Link to This Post
I'm surprised the GNX wasn't worth more in parts to the GNX crowd than it was for C4C. Old trashed muscle cars bring in big bucks for rusting shells that can be rebuilt just because they have a valid VIN.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

I'm surprised the GNX wasn't worth more in parts to the GNX crowd than it was for C4C. Old trashed muscle cars bring in big bucks for rusting shells that can be rebuilt just because they have a valid VIN.


That's true but all very contingent on being in the right place at the right time with the right people involved. For a particular owner, part value may not be a consideration and there are lots of situations and reasons why someone might not be able to deal with a non running car (city ordinances, home owners association, apartment rules, health, interest, time), they may just want the car gone and out of their life. Could just be a person who didn't know what they had, to them the car was just cheap disposable transportation.
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Originally posted by Oreif:

I looked over the list and noticed something. After the first week of the C4C many reports were that the Ford Explorer and the Jeep Grand Cherokee models were the highest traded in vehicles and yet on the "official list" only 14 Explorers and no Jeep's are on it ??????????? I don't even see a Ford Winstar or a Dodge Caravan on the list as well.

Remember this:
http://autos.yahoo.com/arti...ade-ins-and-new-cars


Can you say "Scam" ??


The article in the other thread mentioned something like 64,xxx explorers had been traded in. I am guessing this isn't a complete list either. The 14 explorers on it are shown as USPS (United States Postal Service).
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