Anyone seen this set up. Quad 4 with a M90 boltedd on! It was way way faster than any 3.8 SC fiero I've been in. Kid is a local guy in Houston who built the thing himself. Dyno and tuned by my guy. All I can say was H0LY S#!T.
Looks very cool. It would be "way way faster" than any 3.8SC that I have been in too. (that's because I have not been in any cars with a 3.8SC... LOL )
Charlie
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Shad0wguy Member
Posts: 867 From: Long Island, NY Registered: Aug 2006
I wonder how that would compare with the Cobalt SS super charged motor. Something I have been thinking about - and looking for a wrecked Cobalt SS......... I like it! This is exactly the type of setup I want to put in the XTC.
I think that is an M45 but either way, the Quads do take well to boost. The Eco tech is just a block of iron milled for pistons and crank and seem to be even more durable.
I've been thinking of getting an HHR SS to play with.
Edit: Apparently the Eco Tech block is aluminum as pointed out below and not iron.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
There are tons of these kits out there.... it was basically a gmpp kit but some other company made them.
I think those were gen2 m62 blowers with a custom housing and intake manifold as well. All custom cast type pieces.
No where near as fast as my stock 3800sc swap was, raced one in a grand am with this kit on it, complete joke honestly, and I raced something similar with a turbo that was in a 88 fiero coupe as well running twice the boost that the SC ones made, both stood no chance at all.
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joesfiero Member
Posts: 2181 From: North Port,FL,USA Registered: Jan 2008
The Eco tech is just a block of iron milled for pistons and crank and seem to be even more durable.
Err, actually the ecotec is an all aluminum motor. The bottom girdle is comprised of the whole bottom half of the motor as well as the main bearings and it is an extremely stout piece. And yes, they are a very durable motor that can take plenty of boost with no bottom end mods.
Its hard to explain, Opel/Vauxhall I believe offers a 2.0 turbo version of the Ecotec that is an iron block, but thats not the 2.0 turbo version LK9 or LNF that we see in Saabs, HHRs, Cobalt SS, Sky redline, etc. Those motors are all aluminum, as well as the 2.2 L61 engine used in several GM cars since early 2000s.
So, basically if you were looking at an ecotec in an Opel or Vauxhall, it might have been iron, but Im pretty sure all Chevy, Saturn, Pontiacs have aluminum motors.
Its hard to explain, Opel/Vauxhall I believe offers a 2.0 turbo version of the Ecotec that is an iron block, but thats not the 2.0 turbo version LK9 or LNF that we see in Saabs, HHRs, Cobalt SS, Sky redline, etc. Those motors are all aluminum, as well as the 2.2 L61 engine used in several GM cars since early 2000s.
So, basically if you were looking at an ecotec in an Opel or Vauxhall, it might have been iron, but Im pretty sure all Chevy, Saturn, Pontiacs have aluminum motors.
-Joe
Ah, ok. Even back to the first ones here in the US? I should state I was talking about the NA version. I haven't seen a boosted version up close yet (well, enough to notice the block).
I still want one to play with!
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joesfiero Member
Posts: 2181 From: North Port,FL,USA Registered: Jan 2008
Yes, unless I am wrong, the first ecotec in US made cars came in the 2000 or 2001 (cant remember) Saturn L series which is the L61 as stated above. That motor, the 2.2 NA Ecotec is used in so many cars nowadays that they are everywhere. I was a tech for Saturn back in 2003-2005 and worked on many of these things. Back when Saturn was still sending their techs to the training facility in Spring Hill Tennessee, I learned a lot about that motor.
I even had one for a while that had 6000 miles on it, customer drove through a deep puddle and bent a rod. Her insurance company replaced the motor and didnt want the core, so I took it home. I think I had about $130 in parts in it replacing the bent rod and all the other fun stuff that goes along with that. I always thought about swapping it into the Fiero, but ended up using the head for a friend's car and giving the block to another friend stupidly. I kick myself every once in a while for that.
There's a reason ACE is no longer around......I owned a turbo quad 4 Fiero that they built and it was a big pile of crap (~10 years ago). I owned it for maybe 3 months and went through 3 turbos and blew several holes in a few valves because it was set up so poorly. I currently have another quad 4 Fiero (non-turbo) and would love to get it turbo'd properly or supercharged......when the old turbo quad 4 ran right it was pretty peppy (but it rarely ran right!).
Oh yeah....since I'm also waaaay off topic, the first ecotec's came in the 2000 Saturn Vue. I nabbed one from a junkyard sometime in 2000.....one of the pistons had a piece missing and I suspect the engine was just replaced under warranty and the old one junked (I found it in the trunk of an Oldsmobile). Paid $50 for it and wound up parting it out years later.
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joesfiero Member
Posts: 2181 From: North Port,FL,USA Registered: Jan 2008
The Saturn Vue did not come around until 2002, not 2000. And I just Wiki'd the L series and it debuted in 2000. Therefore I was correct before, the first US ecotec (in the same family we have now) came in the 2000 Saturn L series.
Also, any ecotec you found in a junkyard in 2000 I guarantee you was not a warrantied motor. They were so strict with those things even as late as 2005 when I got out of the game. If there was any internal damage of any kind, most of the time they sent a field engineer out and every motor was sent back to GM for inspection. You got a brand new engine, you gotta find out where the weak spots are. [/back on topic]
-Joe
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Just to remain off topic, I went to Wikipedia which is the last and definitive word on anything in the known universe and beyond and the first Ecotec blocks were cast iron. I just want to protect my reputation for having never ever been wrong expect that one time when I thought I was but I wasn't.
There was a guy on this forum a few years back who went by the screen name of Bryson. He built an all out turbo 2.3L Quad four and blew it up on the first dyno run. We haven't heard from him since. On the other note; I sincerely doubt if a turbo quad four with only 2.3L's is going to be serious competiton to a 3800 that is much larger in displacement and built for boost.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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topcat Member
Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
There was a guy on this forum a few years back who went by the screen name of Bryson. He built an all out turbo 2.3L Quad four and blew it up on the first dyno run. We haven't heard from him since. On the other note; I sincerely doubt if a turbo quad four with only 2.3L's is going to be serious competiton to a 3800 that is much larger in displacement and built for boost.
I've seen the car during build, and since then. It did not blow up during the first dyno, but when he was driving back to college several months later. The car threw a rod thru the side of the block. He did have some sort of issue during the first dyno, but it was not a blow up. He and his father has since rebuilt the engine, revamped the engine management and it is back on the road. Bryson has moved on and into other hobbies besides the Fiero, but his father still tinkers with it.
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I've seen the car during build, and since then. It did not blow up during the first dyno, but when he was driving back to college several months later. The car threw a rod thru the side of the block. He did have some sort of issue during the first dyno, but it was not a blow up. He and his father has since rebuilt the engine, revamped the engine management and it is back on the road. Bryson has moved on and into other hobbies besides the Fiero, but his father still tinkers with it.
I recall reading here that Brysons Quad Four Fiero was blowing smoke on the dyno runs. If the engine failed several months later, then I stand corrected but the point is that it threw a rod and that says something. Since we have heard no news on the car in two years, we can only assume that the project was not a success. If someone wants a boosted four the Ecotec should work very nicely.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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topcat Member
Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
I recall reading here that Brysons Quad Four Fiero was blowing smoke on the dyno runs. If the engine failed several months later, then I stand corrected but the point is that it threw a rod and that says something. Since we have heard no news on the car in two years, we can only assume that the project was not a success. If someone wants a boosted four the Ecotec should work very nicely.
This thread isn't abut Bryson's car so I'll leave it alone, but when you assume you know what happens, right?
Notice the date on the pic? The pic was taken at a Myrtle Beach meet this year. The car is on the road.
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stupidly. I kick myself every once in a while for that. 
