Well, it's time to sell my very customized 1988 Fiero GTP, and I have listed it for sale on Autotrader.com. With over 300 horsepower, well over 350 lb-ft torque, racing brakes, and racing suspension package, you won't find a faster and better handling Fiero anywhere! With its ice cold A/C, all electric options and cruise control, you'll cruise to the track sipping fuel at 30 mpg, and literally blow away pretty much anything that shows up to the track on street tires. This car really get's people's attention!

Here's some of the highlights:
1988 Fiero GT with Ford GT-40 inspired graphics.
3800 Supercharged (25K miles at install)with custom tuned PCM, overdrive S/C pulley, and custom headers & super turbo exhaust.
Performance suspension with tubular control arms, poly bushings, adjustable front shocks & rear struts, and adjustable coilover springs.
High performance brake package with oversized 11.5" rotors, 4 piston Mazda racing calipers, oversized master cylinder, stainless braided hoses and driver adjustable brake bias.
Fully custom interior with welded roll bar, adjustable racing seats, PISA wrap around dash, CD player w/ factory subwoofer system, all black carpet, headliner and door panels, and white faced gauges with indiglo blue backlighting.
BBS wheels, 16x7.5 with brand new Kuhmo Escta 225/50 ZR16 tires.
Fully integrated, $1000 GPS based data acquisition system is included. Record your every move on the track, generate trackmaps, laptimes, and record engine temps, RPM, accelerations, and tons more!!! Compact flash data storage card included.

This car is ready for the street or track and is equipped with both standard 3 point seatbelts as well as 6 point racing harnesses on both
sides.

See photos and video by searching Autotrader.com for 1988 Fiero in zip code 28166, or email me at:

fierojunkie@gmail.com

Thanks for your time!
--Dan Tiley

Nice car.

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Took the link out because it was too long

[This message has been edited by Spiff (edited 06-18-2008).]

Very nice. Hot linked photos here for you.

[This message has been edited by CoolBlue87GT (edited 06-17-2008).]

Sweet... thanks for posting the pics! There's more photos in the Autotrader.com ad too (18 total). Feel free to check them out! Here's a link to the site:

Link to Autotrader Ad

And here's a link to some in-car video from a track day. You can see a Mazda RX8 being passed at the end of the video for speed comparison. It's not even close!

Link to YouTube Video

Enjoy!
--Dan

Like those wheels and the car looks pretty good. Do you have a dyno sheet on the car and any track time slips. What are the MODs done to the motor to get to 300 HP?

can someone post some pics, firefox no likey autotrader...

Can you explain this alittle more?

Fully integrated, $1000 GPS based data acquisition system is included. Record your every move on the track, generate trackmaps, laptimes, and record engine temps, RPM, accelerations, and tons more!!! Compact flash data storage card included

quote Originally posted by IIKool: Can you explain this alittle more? Fully integrated, $1000 GPS based data acquisition system is included. Record your every move on the track, generate trackmaps, laptimes, and record engine temps, RPM, accelerations, and tons more!!! Compact flash data storage card included

Sure... the car has an on-board data acquisition system with two accelerometers (lateral and longitudinal) as well as GPS tracking to track speed, position and track mapping. Those sensors, along with the car's parameters (CdA, mass, gear ratios, etc) allows its on-board data-aq to quite accurately calculate real time horsepower and torque as you drive. It also records RPM, engine temps(air and water), supercharger boost, throttle position and brake apply. Any of these parameters (and many more) can be plotted vs any other parameter (typically time or track position) as you wish. Everything is logged to a compact flash card. Here's a picture of the data acquisition:

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Like those wheels and the car looks pretty good. Do you have a dyno sheet on the car and any track time slips. What are the MODs done to the motor to get to 300 HP?

The engine is a low mileage (25K at install) 3800 Series II Supercharged, and has an overdrive S/C pulley (smaller), West Coast Fiero Headers, a very free flowing custom 2.5" exhaust with Super Turbo muffler (no cat). The EGR system has been removed, and the PCM reprogrammed to increase power and to eliminate the engine codes that would normally be set by the EGR being removed and lack of automatic transmission (this uses the 5 speed Getrag). Also, the typical "stumble" that these conversions usually get when the PCM commands to allow for auto trans shifts, has been programmed out of it. And here's a screenshot of one of the screens from the data-aq. It shows a graph of HP and Torque, as well as a trackmap, G-circle and some laptimes....



--Dan

Calling BS on the horsepower numbers... its merely a G-tech reading...

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Calling BS on the horsepower numbers... its merely a G-tech reading...

I'm going to agree. I'm not in love with this car but I like it. I'm not sure a 3800SC would do 300hp with a nitrous shot.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Calling BS on the horsepower numbers... its merely a G-tech reading...

Still a nice car though, Junkie. Kudos to you on a job well done.

Yep, very nice car. To be honest with you, many of us are cheap, and probably won't be able to give you what you are hoping for it. You'll likely have better luck on autotrader or ebay. But good luck to you!

quote Originally posted by FieroBrad87: I'm going to agree. I'm not in love with this car but I like it. I'm not sure a 3800SC would do 300hp with a nitrous shot.

I'm not one to stand behind G-tech numbers either, but 300 HP is definitely in line with what the 3800SC is capable of. I don't know what mods he has, if any, but I've seen a 3800SC do 300HP on a dyno with very few mods, so it is definitely possible, without the juice.

Again, I don't know the guy and I don't care to defend what his claims, but it most certainly is possible. To come in here and tell a new guy that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it is quite possible, is not right. Anyone looking at this car should check into it themselves, but ought to be aware that his claims ARE reasonable.

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1988 Fiero GT
Cleveland Fiero Club

I've ridden in a 3800 making more than 300 HP without a nitrous shot. Edit: Scratch that, I've been in two. So where do you come up with it isn't capable?

Very nice car. Wish I could have gotten to meet you before you got out of Fiero's.

[This message has been edited by Emc209i (edited 06-18-2008).]

what is a "trans installed with shift improver kit. "

I am in dought on the 300hp as well. no ic? and restricted WFC headers? no I bet close but not on the numbers of excatly 300hp.

nice looking car though.....

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quote Originally posted by fierojunkie1988: The engine is a low mileage (25K at install) 3800 Series II Supercharged, and has an overdrive S/C pulley (smaller), West Coast Fiero Headers, a very free flowing custom 2.5" exhaust with Super Turbo muffler (no cat). The EGR system has been removed, and the PCM reprogrammed to increase power and to eliminate the engine codes that would normally be set by the EGR being removed and lack of automatic transmission (this uses the 5 speed Getrag). Also, the typical "stumble" that these conversions usually get when the PCM commands to allow for auto trans shifts, has been programmed out of it. And here's a screenshot of one of the screens from the data-aq. It shows a graph of HP and Torque, as well as a trackmap, G-circle and some laptimes.... --Dan

Like I said nice car but like others have said you have no where near 300 HP in the car. It takes several MODs to get to the 300 HP level and you dont have them or even close. From the MODs you have you probally have about 220-250 HP at the wheels. I am going to assume that the "under drive pulley" is a 3.4 pulley and the tune is just your common off the shelf tune. The graph shown is not a dyno sheet so it really means nothing the HP rating on it is way off. Might want to get a few dyno runs with the car to find its true HP and have proof. Dont take this as a bash but as a learning experinace.

[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 06-18-2008).]

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[This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 04-21-2009).]

Heh, you guys would actually be surprised to know that with tuning this car could be making upwards of 290whp assuming its stock with a 3.4 pulley.

I'll agree the car is sharp and clean.

This has to be one of the cockiest statements from a first time poster, considering a large portion of the cars on this board will show him where the exhaust comes out.

quote Originally posted by fierojunkie1988: With over 300 horsepower, well over 350 lb-ft torque........................... you won't find a faster and better handling Fiero anywhere! ....................................... you'll cruise to the track sipping fuel at 30 mpg, and literally blow away pretty much anything that shows up to the track on street tires. This car really get's people's attention!

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Nitrous is like a hot chick with an STD, Ya want to hit it, but are afraid of the consequences.
IF YOU AIN'T BREAKING STUFF..................IT AIN'T MODDED ENOUGH
If your'e not living on the edge..........you're taking up too much room.
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Geez... tough crowd!! Let's see what we can do here.....

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Calling BS on the horsepower numbers... its merely a G-tech reading...

The on-board data acquisition on this car is a quantum leap from G-Tech tool, which sticks to your windshield with a single accelerometer and makes assumptions for pretty much everything else. This car uses a fully integrated data system, which is tied to the car's PCM reading live RPM's, longitudinal accel, GPS position (which is differentiated once to calculate speed and a second time to verify the acceleration). Combining GPS and accelerometers in this manner give results well within 1%.

Now, to get correct horsepower readings in a dynamic setting (as opposed to a dyno), you must correct for wind resistance and tire rolling resistance. This data logger makes those corrections internally with a coast-down run on flat ground that produces a speed based function to correct the torque readings. This can also be done mathematically with CdA and tire rolling resistance numbers. Insert an accurate mass for the vehicle and driver (I have scaled the car at a known fuel level), and you've got yourself a quite accurate dyno system!

As for as claiming BS on my 300 HP numbers... you're probably thinking this is RWHP (Rear Wheel HorsePower). It is not. This number is calculated back to the engine crank. The reason for this is that any new production car that is released (ie. the 500 HP Cobra Mustang) is specfied as engine horsepower at the crank... not the rear wheels. This gives an apples to apples comparison to the typically advertised values for other vehicles out there.

quote Originally posted by FieroBrad87: I'm going to agree. I'm not in love with this car but I like it. I'm not sure a 3800SC would do 300hp with a nitrous shot.

I respectfully beg to differ. It's quite easy to turn the stock 240 HP (at the crank) into 300 with a few simple mods! To be honest, my 300 rating is somewhat modest. I've seen 305 on cool days, but didn't want to overestimate the actual numbers it's producing since I'm selling. Downsizing the pulley, enriching the fuel curve slightly, and eliminating the restrictive cat gets you there very quickly! Just talk to other 3800SC owners who have dynoed their cars... I'm sure they'll concur. PS... a proper nitrous shot will take it up over 450HP... right up until the pistons shoot out the side of the block!

quote Originally posted by revin: what is a "trans installed with shift improver kit. " I am in dought on the 300hp as well. no ic? and restricted WFC headers? no I bet close but not on the numbers of exactly 300hp. nice looking car though.....

The shift improver kit isn't anything all that trick... just the Rodney Dickman kit that helps take the slop out of the shift linkage... particularly helpful for the short shift levers!

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: The main problem with using accelerometers for calculating horsepower (as opposed to measuring it on a dyno) is that it is critically important to enter the actual weight at the time of the run, with driver. Guessing high by even a little bit makes the calculated HP number high. When I had a G-Tech I entered 5,000 lbs on my Fiero and got insanely high HP numbers out of my mostly stock 2.8/3.2. Even with the actual weight entered the unit seemed to read a little high, I assume it's because the programmers wanted to err on the high-side of tolerances so that their customers would be happier with their G-Tech purchase. That being said, it's still a very nice car and being a techie I like that data acquisition unit a lot. JazzMan

I agree Jazzman... the mass number is critical. That being said, a good scaling at about 1/2 tank of fuel assures that you'll always be within 1% of your actual mass regardless of the fuel load on board since full fuel load only represents approximately 2% of the total vehicle mass. I'm with you Jazz.... definitely a data mongering geek!

quote Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN: I'll agree the car is sharp and clean. This has to be one of the cockiest statements from a first time poster, considering a large portion of the cars on this board will show him where the exhaust comes out.

Hee hee hee.... good call on that. There's always a better mousetrap out there, no doubt. I partially will stand by my statement, however. This car was designed from day one to tear up road courses. People wonder why I don't have actual dyno data or timeslips from the track. I've been a Vehicle Dynamics Engineer for over 10 years beginning with Ford Motor Company and since with NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series, and horsepower, quite frankly, comes second in my world. That's just the only thing that people have been discussing here.

That being said, although I have seen several other high horsepower Fieros with bolt-on suspension components and braking systems, but I have yet to see any fieros out there with the same level of complete system engineering theory behind each and every component on the car. I have developed full dynamic suspension models, braking models for this car as I built it up. No I didn't do it to increase the value of the car... I did it because I'm a geek who loves these crazy cars, and thought it'd be fun to whoop on Corvettes at the track with a car that the general public would typically scoff at.

I can assure you, I have never been to a track day where Corvette owners weren't all over the car after the first run session, with them trying to figure out why their $60K baby just got passed by an "F'n Fiero"

Vindication Indeed!

Lighten up guys... I'm not attacking anyone here. Just trying to sell my completed Fiero so that I can start a new project. For most of you who I'm sure aren't interesting in buying, I'm just sharing what I've done just like the rest of you.

--Dan

[This message has been edited by fierojunkie1988 (edited 06-18-2008).]

Very nice car

Good luck with the sale, getting good money for a Fiero can be difficult.

[This message has been edited by Xanth (edited 06-18-2008).]

Damn this is getting good. Finally a newbie that comes in and takes what everybody dishes out and then gives it right back Very nicely done fiero and a big + on the motor. Just a suggestion on the motor though, ditch the cheap GM plastic cover and reroute lines and wires around instead of over the supercharger. Overall i think it makes the motor look tons better. And i speak from experience

If that was a 300 crank estimation... then I would say it is LOW, and not high if it was tuned correctly, with "on the edge" timing and fueling.

I've seen the car in person and I can assure you it is a beautiful specimen. Dan was nice enough to sit and talk with me for a while when I stopped him in at the bank because I was literally drooling from the sight of it. If I had the money I would undoubtedly buy it. To whomever gets this beautiful car, you are getting a masterpiece.

quote Originally posted by Darth88Formula: I've seen the car in person and I can assure you it is a beautiful specimen. Dan was nice enough to sit and talk with me for a while when I stopped him in at the bank because I was literally drooling from the sight of it. If I had the money I would undoubtedly buy it. To whomever gets this beautiful car, you are getting a masterpiece.

Thank you very much Darth. I do remember speaking with you and your wife outside of the BOA in Mooresville last year. Hopefully all is well with you both!

And let me say thanks to all of the others on this site who have posted in response to my listing. Honestly, I had no idea it would invoke this much interest! Whether car sells or not, it has at least been a fairly entertaining thread!

--Dan

Sorry for the bad manners,
Welcome to the Forum

There is here, as well as other forums, are the stupid wars.
My SBC can beat your 3800SC.
My 3800SC can beat your Northstar

And the
I can build a better car than you
I can tune a engine better than you

oh and don't forget the
Your a lair till you PROVE IT with a time slip, dyno sheet, video, BUT your little sister was watching and can prove it does NOT count

I think you see where I'm coming from.
What all of this means is they,we, I would like to hear some of the secerts you may have found in tuning the 3800sc.<<it's like a great engine around here. Oops I may have gotten the V8 guys mad....lol

We all like your car! It's new and different enough to get these reations, you know you have done something good


Anyway, kick back and enjoy yourself here! sorry you are selling it! ou may want to post the sell in the mall on here...

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88 GT, 3800SC, Getrag 5sp. 12" Vette Rotors,Custom stuff done

[This message has been edited by revin (edited 06-18-2008).]

Hey there. Nice car, very nice car. The on-board data aquisition system sounds really interesting, (and a little over the top), compared to what most folks around this forum run.

I'm wondering if you have measured any lateral acceleration numbers that you could share with us. Most folks seem captivated by straight line acceleration, but I'm much more interested in the lateral acceleration that you generate as you go around a curve or a corner. I'd be interested in seeing how many Gs a well setup Fiero can generate on a road track.

P.S. If you say you've got 300 hp, I'm willing to believe you. I have no reason to doubt you honesty or truthfulness.

Good luck with the sale.

~ Bob

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Its more important to be nice."

quote Originally posted by FieroBrad87: .... I'm not sure a 3800SC would do 300hp with a nitrous shot.

Now that right there is funny!


Great looking car, and best of luck on the sale.

Stiil a sharp car !

and 300 crank HP is rather easy to obtain, although a little hint - those WCF headers dont flow any better than stock manifolds. That has already been proven.

What I'm wondering is what 4 piston calipers from a Mazda fit on there & how. And what kind of " custom " or " tubular " suspension parts did you find for an 88 ???

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quote Originally posted by Emc209i:So where do you come up with it isn't capable?

You must be a republican the way you put words in my mouth.

I don't see a 3800SC with "very few mods" making 300 hp especially at the wheels but who am I?

quote Originally posted by FieroBrad87: You must be a republican the way you put words in my mouth. I don't see a 3800SC with "very few mods" making 300 hp especially at the wheels but who am I?

He specifically said not at the wheels, its at the crank.

I know Dan is a stand up guy. I worked with him when he was at Ford. I would have no reservations buying this car.

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86 GT, 5-Speed
87 GT, 3.4l DOHC Turbo 415 WHP, 11.9 @ 118
88 Toyota Supra Turbo

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[This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 04-21-2009).]

Very sweet GT!

Those of us that are contemplating electric conversions would dearly like to know how much HP is required to maintain 65 mph on a straight and flat highway. I don't suppose you have ever recorded that number?

Thanks,
Marty

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Dan, do you have more detailed specs and links on that data acquisition system? JazzMan

go nuts jazzy.....
http://search.msn.com/resul...acquisition%20system

You may have to sell a kidney for one..

ah the ignorance is flowing again.

Stimpy dynoed 236 whp with just the wcf headers and a CAI on the stock pulley and no special tuning what so ever. 300hp is perfectly reasonable depending on which pulley was used.

a full data acquisition system is not a G-tech. not even remotely close in technology or accuracy. the engineers that design indy cars use data aquisition units, the local highschool ricers use g-techs.

in reality a data aquisition unit will display real world output of a cars acceleration due to wind resistance, and intercooled engines it also includes realistic cooling conditions, but not the actual power required to overcome the drag or to cruise at a certain speed. So it will normally read low incomparison.

not to mention that of course it is ok to call out anybody but a v8 - call out a v8 owner and people start getting banned.

I love proof as much as anyone but comparing the HP from a data aquisition unit is like comparing the readings from a mustang vs dynojet dyno - the data is accurate, but not a direct comparison. the guy was completely honest and up front about the car.

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quote Originally posted by FieroBrad87: I don't see a 3800SC with "very few mods" making 300 hp especially at the wheels but who am I?

His is. I believe him.

quote Originally posted by Kohburn: ah the ignorance is flowing again.

Because people on this forum love 'calling BS'. It is one of the most overused phrases I have ever seen here.

Looks like a great car to me. Very nicely done and lots of time and money invested.

Nice ride. Some big money bits on that for sure. Your next project must be over the top if you are selling this bad bish on.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE more info on the RX7(FC) brakes. Hook a fellow RR up!

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1988 Fiero GT, LS4 swap soon
2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 430whp
Nurburgring WARRIOR!!!!
Join fellow racers/owners at http://southeasternracing.com

[This message has been edited by BV MotorSports (edited 06-19-2008).]

Don't mind the people calling BS on you. They've watched the Fast and the Furious one time too many.
I like what you have done with your car and the way you deal with the naysayers.