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Fiero or Countach replica? Cant decide by Racing_Master
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Hey, since my Fiero is still unmodded, I dont know which way I should travel, the two choices are:

#1: Keep the Fiero look, though change the engine with a Mazda 4 rotor 600hp engine with a Porsche 5 speed manual mated to it, cut out the trunk, and mount it longitudinally. Take the body and repaint it, give it silver racing stripes on the black paint, give it an aluminum racing wing, full tube chassis, double wishbone coilover suspension, with front spoilers and custom aluminum touring kit made by me, to make a Fiero touring car for track and street.

#2: Ditch the Fiero look, get all the replica parts from http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8482/index.html and begin making a replica. Grab a V12 from a BMW 8 series, or go to Lamborghini and order a replacement countach V12, or something of the sort, mate up a 5 or 6 speed transaxle, mount the engine Longitudinally, and get as much HP out of it as I can, and have a street dominating black lamborghini countach.

Both might cost the same to complete, but #1 will be more custom fabrication, while #2 uses fiberglass parts made by someone else, and a bit more exotic of an engine. The countach kit looks something like this:





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Report this Post11-25-2007 09:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt3800Click Here to visit fierogt3800's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierogt3800Direct Link to This Post
Its just money, do them both..

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Originally posted by fierogt3800:

Its just money, do them both..



lol, money I dont have, at least right now. I want to do them both, but meh, I cant decide what one to do to my current Fiero XP
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lol, money I dont have, at least right now. I want to do them both, but meh, I cant decide what one to do to my current Fiero XP


in that case, how about starting with replacing those 20+ year old vacume lines, and everything made of rubber?
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Report this Post11-25-2007 09:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DESTOSSend a Private Message to DESTOSDirect Link to This Post
I say go with option number 1.

Don't really like the look of that replica, and custom is always better (as long as it's done right). I think you would be much happier with option 1 when it's all said and done.
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Originally posted by fierogt3800:


in that case, how about starting with replacing those 20+ year old vacume lines, and everything made of rubber?


Way ahead of you, after I blew up the engine, I rebuilt one from the junkyard and put it in, I have full silicone lines now for vacuum lines. Its ready for a project now, and both of those choices are going to include redoing the frame, since I gotta streach it for #2, and #1 I have to make a tube chassis :P even though my frame is rustless, I am going to replace it from a space frame to a more stable and stronger and lighter Tube chassis
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Report this Post11-25-2007 11:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PaulJKSend a Private Message to PaulJKDirect Link to This Post
**** nevermind (if i have nothing nice to say, better to say nthing at all )

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If your going to spend money now-adays on a countach replica, you should really look at one already finished (20-30 grand for a good one), or just buy a real one for 100,000
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Originally posted by Custom2M4:

If your going to spend money now-adays on a countach replica, you should really look at one already finished (20-30 grand for a good one), or just buy a real one for 100,000


Well, a real one would not be as reliable as a custom built one, buying one someone else made could result in faulty craftmanship. I like building things, and custom fabricating, and I am a wizard at automotive electronic systems and fuel injection. if I get the V12 with my own custom built Countach (with the wing, dont forget that limited edition wing) then I am gonna induvidual runner fuel injection it, and give it twin turbochargers to try and boost the output. I might spend more than a real countach on it, making it have 4x as much HP as a real countach.
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Well, a real one would not be as reliable as a custom built one, buying one someone else made could result in faulty craftmanship. I like building things, and custom fabricating, and I am a wizard at automotive electronic systems and fuel injection. if I get the V12 with my own custom built Countach (with the wing, dont forget that limited edition wing) then I am gonna induvidual runner fuel injection it, and give it twin turbochargers to try and boost the output. I might spend more than a real countach on it, making it have 4x as much HP as a real countach.


Faulty craftmanship is easier to repair than it is to start from scratch.

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Neither, If it's a Fastback get it chopped. If it's a Notchback get the Mad-Arch widebody.
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Originally posted by Racing_Master:

Hey, since my Fiero is still unmodded, I dont know which way I should travel, the two choices are:

#1: Keep the Fiero look, though change the engine with a Mazda 4 rotor 600hp engine with a Porsche 5 speed manual mated to it, cut out the trunk, and mount it longitudinally. Take the body and repaint it, give it silver racing stripes on the black paint, give it an aluminum racing wing, full tube chassis, double wishbone coilover suspension, with front spoilers and custom aluminum touring kit made by me, to make a Fiero touring car for track and street.

#2: Ditch the Fiero look, get all the replica parts from http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8482/index.html and begin making a replica. Grab a V12 from a BMW 8 series, or go to Lamborghini and order a replacement countach V12, or something of the sort, mate up a 5 or 6 speed transaxle, mount the engine Longitudinally, and get as much HP out of it as I can, and have a street dominating black lamborghini countach.

Both might cost the same to complete, but #1 will be more custom fabrication, while #2 uses fiberglass parts made by someone else, and a bit more exotic of an engine. The countach kit looks something like this:


um, option #1 requires zero Fiero. tube chassis implies a custom chassis. so, what part of the Fiero would end up on this??
and, next - you can do whatever the heck body you want.
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Report this Post11-26-2007 09:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FIEROFLYERSend a Private Message to FIEROFLYERDirect Link to This Post
I have a 25th anniversary Countach kit in my garage now that I am working on a 3800SC swap in, I can take photos of the kit to help you decide and can let you know my opinion on how it drives once it is finished if that will help.
This one was made by a company out in BC Canada years ago and from what I have found is a good solid kit compared to some of the ones I have seen and worked on before.
So far the only bad things I have found is the dash is poorly made (plywood covered in material) the trunk lid is way too heavy and needs better hinges and the doors need a better designed strut kit to hold them opened. I am planning on repairing all the problems with the car before it leaves to make this a nicer car to deal with. Dan

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Personally.............I'd go with the Fiero why? You did say you wanted a Fiero right? Then get the Fiero. Fiero pretending to be a Countach? At least when you're caravaning with your Fiero buddies you belong............you'd be the odd man (in a fake Countach)............just my thought!!!
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:


um, option #1 requires zero Fiero. tube chassis implies a custom chassis. so, what part of the Fiero would end up on this??
and, next - you can do whatever the heck body you want.


The fiero body would end up on a new frame, body off modding. Cutting up the fiero body and using its body panels and interior and such, removing subframes. Not an uncommon modification to switch over to race car, or lighten it up.

 
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I have a 25th anniversary Countach kit in my garage now that I am working on a 3800SC swap in, I can take photos of the kit to help you decide and can let you know my opinion on how it drives once it is finished if that will help.
This one was made by a company out in BC Canada years ago and from what I have found is a good solid kit compared to some of the ones I have seen and worked on before.
So far the only bad things I have found is the dash is poorly made (plywood covered in material) the trunk lid is way too heavy and needs better hinges and the doors need a better designed strut kit to hold them opened. I am planning on repairing all the problems with the car before it leaves to make this a nicer car to deal with. Dan



Thanks, please keep me informed on that. Countaches look really nice in my opinion, very sleek and fast. and the 5000 S sounds just amazing
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i love lamborghinis, but for the money spent i think you would come out a lot better, and still have something equally bad*ss as a replica if you went with something like this:







Choptop, madcurl/v-8 Archie widebody kit, HRE rims = WOW !
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Hey Racing_Master

Here is the newer Euroworks web page, if you like.

http://www.euroworksexotics.com/

Kevin

Edit to add, You just did miss the deal he was offering on the body.

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Welcome to the forum. While this all may seem new and exciting to you, many of us have been in the Fiero hobby for a long time. Decades in some cases. We've seen lots of people with your same ideas come and go. You've found a great place to begin, but are obviously very naive about the Fiero kit car industry so let me give you some words of caution.

The Fiero rebody business is littered with some of the shadiest scoundrels outside of organized crime. I can't believe anyone would seriously consider giving a "business" ten grand or so that has only a Geocities webpage (apparently made by a teenager) and a Hotmail contact address.

You need to set realistic goals if you ever expect to finish your project. Break it up into manageable and affordable sub-projects or it will never see its first tank of gas.

The typical timeline for Fiero projects goes like this:

1. Acquire Fiero.
2. Search Internet for Fiero stuff.
3. Wild enthusiasm at seeing all the cool stuff you can (allegedly) do
4. Find Pennock's
5. Tell Pennock's about your cool ideas from what you found on the Internet, but don't have any money for right now
6. Fiero sits and rots for a year or two while you come up with some cash
7. Send hard-earned money to unknown business for cool stuff

8. BRANCH
Possibility #1: Stuff never shows up - tell everyone on Pennock's how you got screwed by a company that never actually existed;
OR
Possibility #2: Stuff takes a year to show up and/or is missing lots of pieces, poor quality parts, etc;
OR
Possibility #3: Stuff shows up and sits for another 12-18 months when you realize how big a project you've actually gotten yourself into, and have neither the time nor the money to finish.

Unless you're independently wealthy, and if you were you probably wouldn't be bothering with a project like this anyway, time and money are mutually exclusive quantities. Most Fiero rebody projects are never finished due to a lack of one or the other, and ruin marriages, bank accounts and hairlines in the process. Don't become a statistic!

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Originally posted by crazyd:

The Fiero rebody business is littered with some of the shadiest scoundrels outside of organized crime. I can't believe anyone would seriously consider giving a "business" ten grand or so that has only a Geocities webpage (apparently made by a teenager) and a Hotmail contact address.




So exactly how much do you know about Euroworks? ( I am only assuming you are referring to them, as that is the link provided above, I gave the newer one though)
If you do some research, you will see they have been around awhile. I bought my body kit from them (Mirage "S"), and would do it again, without any worries. Alan (Owner) is one of the good guys.



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And I'm all for each to their own, but anyone that wants to compare this, when finished



to this when finished?



Hhhmmmmm...Sorry, but in MY book, there is no comparision.

Back on the topic though, honestly, if you don't have some deep pockets, neither is going to happen.

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I also talked to Alan a few years ago, so I know that Euroworks has been around.
Even though I made sure he knew I wasn`t going to be getting a kit for a long while he
still patiently answered all of my questions and concerns.
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I've heard positive feedback from EuroWorks when I researched them years ago.
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Thanks for all your replies. And also thanks for letting me know about Euroworks, I was kinda iffy on them for a bit, now that I heared of others doing buisness with them, and it going just fine, now my heart is settled. I am not going to start this right away, as a project, I take time to plan out things. My Fiero at the moment is going to just be a daily driver (make use of it while you got it, right?) until I get a beater car, or finish my Camaro, before I start making it into a race car or Lambo. I heared a few things too about the Lambo, I dunno if I could do this:

Mount the engine bass ackwards so the belts are facing the tail lights, and the flywheel is facing to the firewall, have the trannie go where the fuel tank is in the Fiero, and have a direct link to the trannie from inside the car, no shifter linkage. Then from there, a transfer case to change directions, shoot a driveshaft to a rear axle, then to the wheels. if I mount the gas tank in the front in the spare tire well, as a fuel cell, it could possibly work to do that on a replica car, just a bit more time and money to complete. Anyone ever do this on their replica Lambos?
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Just my .02, but to my eyes, there is no comparison between the Lambo replicut and paste and the modded Fiero body. Pontiac did it right to begin with (as to the body), as well as giving lots of room to play with their fine lines.
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actually, none of your options really require you to pillage an existing fiero.
For #1 you would get a fiero, make moulds to copy the body-parts (with whatever modifications you feel are necessary) and make a spaceframe to fit the parts and what ever engine/transmission combo you want. In the mean time, you drive the Fiero you got, upgrading with components which can be transferred to the space-frame car and finding out what works and what doesn't (use it as a test mule). With all the modifications you mention, and the intended use, all you would be using from the Fiero seems to be the body panels. New spaceframe chassis, new suspension components, new engine and transmission, new brake components (you're not going to go through the trouble of building something like that only to use the original Fiero brakes, are you?), new interior (you need instruments which will work with the engine/trans combo, and definitely racing seats if you're serious about going to the track). see the point?

Then again, it's all up to you. Whatever we say, it's your car, your dream and your decision, so good luck
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Mount the engine bass ackwards so the belts are facing the tail lights, and the flywheel is facing to the firewall, have the trannie go where the fuel tank is in the Fiero, and have a direct link to the trannie from inside the car, no shifter linkage. Then from there, a transfer case to change directions, shoot a driveshaft to a rear axle, then to the wheels. if I mount the gas tank in the front in the spare tire well, as a fuel cell, it could possibly work to do that on a replica car, just a bit more time and money to complete. Anyone ever do this on their replica Lambos?


You would have to mount the engine so high to make this work that it would dramatically alter the center of gravity and polar moment of inertia of the car. You also probably wouldn't be able to see over the engine out the rear window. It would also add a lot of excess weight. All this so you don't have cables shifting the transmission? Sure, it could be done, but why? It certainly wouldn't be the first time. Back In 1964 and before transaxles existed, Zora Arkus-Duntov built a transverse mid-engined all-wheel-drive Corvette called CERV II with a driveshaft tunnel that passed through its oil pan to a central transfer case. But engineering like that is done with multi-million dollar budgets and vast technical and parts resources.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Just my .02, but to my eyes, there is no comparison between the Lambo replicut and paste and the modded Fiero body. Pontiac did it right to begin with (as to the body), as well as giving lots of room to play with their fine lines.


I guess that explains why quite a few people on this forum, want to make their Fiero look like anything but a fiero, as soon as they can.


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I am a wizard at automotive electronic systems .

and give it twin turbochargers to try and boost the output. I might spend more than a real countach on it, making it have 4x as much HP as a real countach.


Wizard? im picturing a young kid installing speakers in his trunk that he bought with his parents money from walmart at this moment...

Twinturbo V12? you just called yourself a wizard, yet your suggesting a twin turbo application? If even knowledgable at all you would know that there is good reason that perfomance forced induction engine builders almost always replace a set that had two existing turbos with a much larger singe turbo, look at any built late supra and you will see what i mean.

say what you want, and if you have the knowledge and more so the funding then please, go right ahead and build your "ideal" custom. But Im calling BS on this one.. I think we have a dreamer on board... oh well though, i guess its harmless as long as your not cutting on a real car that will sit in your backyard to rot.

like we already established, Its just money.


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Twinturbo V12? you just called yourself a wizard, yet your suggesting a twin turbo application? If even knowledgable at all you would know that there is good reason that perfomance forced induction engine builders almost always replace a set that had two existing turbos with a much larger singe turbo, look at any built late supra and you will see what i mean.





LOL ur kidding right??

Have u ever seen a single turbo V12..??

The plain and simple fact it would be more of a pain in the butt to do a single turbo then run twin turbo's..

What a bundle of snakes to have all 12 pipes to 1 turbo,,lol,,
And as for CrazyD post


GUYS stop posting crap and research before u speak.

(You would have to mount the engine so high to make this work that it would dramatically alter the center of gravity and polar moment of inertia of the car. You also probably wouldn't be able to see over the engine out the rear window. )

This statement is so far from the truth it is not even funny..I am not goning to give u the answers,because u wont learn from them,,but search ,

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And I'm all for each to their own, but anyone that wants to compare this, when finished



to this when finished?



Hhhmmmmm...Sorry, but in MY book, there is no comparision.
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I would agree, there is no comparision, I would not drive a replicar. I will hopefully be 90+ percent done by the 25th and if you PM me we can arrange to park the cars next to each other for a real life comparison. There is not a right or wrong answer to your question...just a matter of personal taste.
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LOL ur kidding right??

Have u ever seen a single turbo V12..??

The plain and simple fact it would be more of a pain in the butt to do a single turbo then run twin turbo's..

What a bundle of snakes to have all 12 pipes to 1 turbo,,lol,,


Its called a exaust manifold, and since the very first internal combustion engine we have used them. 6 pipes into a single flange, then just like almost every single modern V engine theres a Y pipe connecting the two manifolds into the exuast, or in this case the turbo flange.

and as far as the search your talking about. please, PLEASE show me a single build thread for a car of this nature. heck id even like to see just the 4 rotor swap in a fiero, or the lamborghini, and unless theres a new nut on the kitcar forum the only V12 to touch a rebody is the BMW or in small doses the Etype/ XJS jag motor.

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I would agree, there is no comparision, I would not drive a replicar. I will hopefully be 90+ percent done by the 25th and if you PM me we can arrange to park the cars next to each other for a real life comparison. There is not a right or wrong answer to your question...just a matter of personal taste.


How is replacing the body with the one I did, much different then modifying the Hell out of the existing one?

Is that your car above mine? If so, then what exactly is it? A modified Fiero? Kind of like mine?

Although I won't be close to done, even next year the 25th, (I've been working on it for two months so far). When I do get it done, I'll bet more people will know what it is before yours.
But you are right, just a matter of opinions. I've always wanted to build a Countach, and you wanted to build....something.

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What would you like to hear from the general public...."Is it a real Countach or a replica"? A replica is always behind the 8-ball. You're constantly in-need of updating every inch of the car to fool the general public into believing it's the real thing. On the other hand Fierotaz's car is a modernized "updated versions" of a Fiero w/o the need for excusses or denial. The public will either know what it is, maybe have a idea of what it is (but can't figure it out), or they'll think it a new car.

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What would you like to hear from the general public...."Is it a real Countach or a replica"? A replica is always behind the 8-ball. You're constantly in-need of updating every inch of the car to fool the general public into believing it's the real thing. On the other hand Fierotaz's car is a modernized "updated versions" of a Fiero w/o the need for excusses or denial. The public will either know what it is, maybe have a idea of what it is (but can't figure it out), or they'll think it a new car.


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Is there a name or place you can buy the mods to trick out your Fiero like the one in the awsome pic? (not the Lambo).
It looks like rear flares, chop top? Scissor doors? front hood. Engine upgrade? Tell me more please!
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madcurl is right, as I do expect the first wortds out of every persons mouths to be, "Is it real, or a fake?". I won't be tryng to fool anyone, and tell them what I was trying to accomplish.

Of course, anyone with the money, could go out and buy the real thing, but not just "anyone can make a copy of something".

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I got a question, how tall are you Racing_Master? This could make or break your choice. I'm 6'4" with a short torso and I could barely sit in a countach kit. I had a chance once and got locked in it too (another story ) My head was almost hitting the roof and i couldn't see well out of the windshield. My friend is 6'1" with a longer torso and his head almost hit's the roof of the stock fiero (1 inch clearance) can't imagine him in a countach kit. You might want to see if you can sit in a kit before you decide to build one. I always wanted to build a countach kit to until I sat in one


p.s. hope i didn't repeat any of the other replies, started reading them and skipped the last 1/4 of them.

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Originally posted by Julian:
Is there a name or place you can buy the mods to trick out your Fiero like the one in the awsome pic? (not the Lambo).
It looks like rear flares, chop top? Scissor doors? front hood. Engine upgrade? Tell me more please!

The widebody came from Archies as did the suicide doors and chop top. The LT1/4 was home done and the 6 speed tranny was done by Archie.
The 12 X 20 rear and 9.5 x 19 front wheels are HRE's. You can find more information here https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/066554.html

 
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1.) How is replacing the body with the one I did, much different then modifying the Hell out of the existing one?
2.) Is that your car above mine? If so, then what exactly is it? A modified Fiero? Kind of like mine?
3.) Although I won't be close to done, even next year the 25th, (I've been working on it for two months so far). When I do get it done, I'll bet more people will know what it is before yours.
Kevin

1.) You answered your own question...one is modification and the other is replacement...big difference
2.) Yes. It is a modified fiero, yours is a rebodied Fiero which if done right as you seem to be doing will leave no trace of Fiero.
3.) That is my goal, I do not want anyone to look at it and immediatly know what it is, but if they study it they can figure it out.
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I got a question, how tall are you Racing_Master? This could make or break your choice. I'm 6'4" with a short torso and I could barely sit in a countach kit. I had a chance once and got locked in it too (another story ) My head was almost hitting the roof and i couldn't see well out of the windshield. My friend is 6'1" with a longer torso and his head almost hit's the roof of the stock fiero (1 inch clearance) can't imagine him in a countach kit. You might want to see if you can sit in a kit before you decide to build one. I always wanted to build a countach kit to until I sat in one


p.s. hope i didn't repeat any of the other replies, started reading them and skipped the last 1/4 of them.



Thanks for actually replying instead of bitching and arguing a Fiero's looks VS the Lambo's :P

Anyway, Since this post is on topic, I will answer it. I am around 5'11"-6' tall, and I usually sit low and far back in the cars I drive. I have a good amount of clearance between my head and the ceiling of my fiero, but if I sit up straight I hit my head (Like granny style straight). Ive been able to fit in some tiny cars, so I think I can fit in the Lambo. I am not that heafty of a person either, only around 130lbs, im a twig.

As for the reverse mount engine, I figured out it can be done. There was a Fiero around here in Blairsville that stopped at a sheetz, it had a blown V8 in the back of it, belts twords the tail lights, sticking out of the decklid, and 4wd. Spun all 4 tires when it took off. I have no clue who's car it was, but it seems its possible. Plus, a good motto to go by:

"Where there is a will, there is a way"


MORE EDIT:

About you people talking about "Why change it from a Fiero?" Well, its not like I don't like the Fiero's looks, it's that I do like them, but also I like the Countach's looks! So much so that I cant decide on which way to go. #1 with the race car modifications would be keeping the Fiero looks, though sleek it out more, widen it, body kit it, give it a racing engine, and make it for the track. Option #2 would go with the Lamborghini's looks, and then make it a high powered street car as close to the real Lambo as possible, and instead of saying "I bought that" I would say "I made that." I could buy a real lambo with all this money i want to dump in this car, but it would be better in my mind if I built it, since I can say I did that, rather than just had a ton of money to waste on one car with 375hp only. And about the twin turbo V12, a Countach has 4 seperate exhaust systems, a twin turbo is easy (3 pipes to 1 pipe on one side, doubled, those two pipes per side curled around to a Y pipe to make it a single pipe, flange for the turbo system, oiling system etc, you get the idea) it would be kinda weird looking at all the piping though. And the reason to have twin turbos is not about boost, its about turbo lag, a small turbo on one side, big on the other, to use the expanding exhaust gasses to spin the turbine, the smaller one would create the boost at lower RPMs, but not as much, but will reduce turbo lag, and then the bigger one spools up at higher speeds to produce the high RPM boost I want for racing. The small turbo is for taking off from a standstill. Late model turboed cars/trucks use twin turbos, or a varying vane single turbo.

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I think you will have a better "warm fuzzy" at www.kitcar.com. they do the rebodies, we do Fieros.

From what I have seen , the rebody kits have gone over the top. no longer are the 2.8's in the back of a lambo (even though I smoked one here in town)
You will need to step up the game if you want any "props" from most Fiero owners.

And if you are talking about a tube frame....no longer considered a Fiero.
No one has done the V12 here or the mate a 5 or 6 speed up to one. the transverse...yes that has been done with a caddy trans with reversed gearing.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/063494.html
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/085594.html

Well good luck with the project!
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