if this has been discussed before my bad, if not here we go.
in the january 08 addition of hot rod they did a story on a guy named Ed koerner, he is the vice president of general motors engineering here in MI.
this is a clip of what it says.
( Ed also ran in B and C/street roadster with a chevy block/buick-head combo, raced a lighwaight olds ciera in a/gas, and built a fiero for g/altered that was so trick and formidable that it was affectively banned before it ever raced in NHRA competition)
im wondering why it would be banned? and what he had in it? i am tempted to try and call him and ask him about it
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Posts: 3172 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Registered: Oct 2006
if this has been discussed before my bad, if not here we go.
in the january 08 addition of hot rod they did a story on a guy named Ed koerner, he is the vice president of general motors engineering here in MI.
this is a clip of what it says.
( Ed also ran in B and C/street roadster with a chevy block/buick-head combo, raced a lighwaight olds ciera in a/gas, and built a fiero for g/altered that was so trick and formidable that it was affectively banned before it ever raced in NHRA competition)
im wondering why it would be banned? and what he had in it? i am tempted to try and call him and ask him about it
I can't believe that Ed Koerner is Vice President of General Motors Engineering now. I tried to find Hot Rod magazine Jan issue but they are all gone. I worked with him back in the 70's / 80's when he was an Engineer in the Engine department working on diesels, V8, V6 and V5. We made up many weird vehicles back then and the Fiero was just part of the fun. I know we had a Quad 4 that was turbocharged and also suppercharged. The Buick 3800 was also used. In 1992 I was working on a Toronado with a quad 4 supercharged in it and it was a great car better than the 1992 stock Toro that I owned. We were trying to push the quad 4 to Pontiac and Buick was also trying to push the 3800. A 4 door and a stretch that we made. The guy was a very nice person and a LOT of fun. He raced cars on the side at the strip and he did have a dragster and for him to get a Fiero out of Olds and take it to the strip would not surprise me. I know one Fiero came back with a broken frame I think it was the stretch.
I don't think the Fiero it's self was banned but it was the car he had that was banned.
Knowing the NHRA they havve rules per class and by the way they said his car was very trick it may have not met the rules set by the NHRA rule book for G atered.
I have the rule book , I wil have to look up the class and see what is required. Keep in mind This was more than likley a Fiero in name only as most gas and altered classes are tube chassie cars with front engines. There is a good chance his engine was up front in a tube chassie and he just bolted on a wide body kit;
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Posts: 1403 From: grand rapids MI Registered: May 2006
fino thats so kool i would love to meet him im sure i could lern alot from talking to him
hyperv6 you have a point i googled it and it seems evey car i see that is g/a or g/altered is running in 9s i still think it would be relly kool to find out more about it.
Lol. That sounds like something you would see on Red Green.
Come-on Dick, it's the only education we got. Vin Diesel
I think you might have misunderstood, what I mean is : 1. We had a turbocharged Quad-4 engine.
2. We had a supercharged Quad-4 engine.
The engines were TWO different engines.
Not that ONE engine that had both turbocharged and also supercharged on the same engine.
I left that up to the reader to understand so I could type faster.
Sorry Ed
EDIT: Every time I speed type I step on my fingers. I am just going to have to slow down I guess. Kind of like it really was not a suppercharged engine to be mistaken as an evening meal engine but a supercharger .
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Yes! I was on a trip in Denver and both engines were being used. I supported the V6 group and the other mechanic supported the V5. The complete group was at breakfast one morning talking about the two engines and I thumped my forhead and said "I could have had a V8" and I thought they were going to kill me.
I did not like either engine myself. Ed
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Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
if this has been discussed before my bad, if not here we go.
in the january 08 addition of hot rod they did a story on a guy named Ed koerner, he is the vice president of general motors engineering here in MI.
this is a clip of what it says.
( Ed also ran in B and C/street roadster with a chevy block/buick-head combo, raced a lighwaight olds ciera in a/gas, and built a fiero for g/altered that was so trick and formidable that it was affectively banned before it ever raced in NHRA competition)
im wondering why it would be banned? and what he had in it? i am tempted to try and call him and ask him about it
I can't find a copy of the article could you PDF it and PM it to me? Please?
Ed
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Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
One of the projects we did was to take an Oldsmobile 455 and turn it in to a 2-stroke engine with a 671 blower on it. The four door yellow 98 Oldsmobile left the garage for a road test with the blower sticking out of the hood and SMOKE behind it. Lots of laughs but it was a great job.
Here is a photo of the Lansing Experimental Engineering Garage 32,000 Sq Ft in 1991.
Ed
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Posts: 3652 From: Grand Junction Colorado Registered: Mar 2003
One of the projects we did was to take an Oldsmobile 455 and turn it in to a 2-stroke engine with a 671 blower on it. The four door yellow 98 Oldsmobile left the garage for a road test with the blower sticking out of the hood and SMOKE behind it. Lots of laughs but it was a great job.
Ed
I am more then interested in building a two stroke v-8 big block. Do you know of any sites or info where this has been tried? This olds, how does the crankcase pump? or doesn't it and it just uses the blower. Any ports in the cylinder-walls or is exhaust and intake all flowed thru the head?
If it all flows threw the head you need allot of boost for allot of blow-down to be able to turn-over the flow streams at BDC.
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Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
I am more then interested in building a two stroke v-8 big block. Do you know of any sites or info where this has been tried? This olds, how does the crankcase pump? or doesn't it and it just uses the blower. Any ports in the cylinder-walls or is exhaust and intake all flowed thru the head?
If it all flows threw the head you need allot of boost for allot of blow-down to be able to turn-over the flow streams at BDC.
I don't have a clue on where you can find any information on it. I did not work on that project at all, I just found it to be funny. That was an advanced development project. Our garage put the engine in the car and the engine was built across the street in Expermintial Assembly Dept. Our garage alone had 110 mechanics on two shifts, so projects could very easly go through and you may never even see the car.
Sorry I kind of wish I would have paid more attention to some of the projects but I was probably getting ready to go on a trip at that time and was more concerned with the cars that I would have to support on the road. I was considered a trip man which meant any time someone was needed out of state I was one of the mechanice that wanted to go. Single, Young, dumb and full of ??????
Ed
Big block Fiero? Where did you put it up front? I see your profile says Caddy. Any photos? I drag raced my 348 back in the early 60's a 58 Impala convertible POS I would never do that again.
Only photo I have. The Austin Healey behind my car had a 308 (if I remember right 283 bored to 308 I think). We raced even up all the time.
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