Ok well i know there are alot of variables, but im just curious who would win with equally good drivers, stock 2.8l 5spd fiero vs a civic. This mostly applies to the hachbacks and the SI's, the 98+ years, and lets say a manual. I was just curious cuz the local hangout has alot of well.... i dont wanna say ricers cuz i hate that word, but they do fit the general stereotype. I just kinda raced a civic, not very long but from a dig to 60km/h (i dont like to speed lol), i got him by a good 3 lengths then i stopped accelarating. Im kinda curious though how id fair against a stock SI and the hachbacks in a 1/4 mile situation.

depends on which years, and watch out for those CRX si's, those things are very light and quick

yeah it depends i beat a 93 civic but i wouldnt try one with the v tec

Mmm ok. i guess from a DIG id be ahead with the mid engineness but in the long run id be in trouble with some years then. Oh well... nothing a 3800sc or SBC swap cant cure

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Fieros start fast & get slow, DOHC 4-bangers start slow, and get quicker.
so - it depends on the length of the race.
you can always look for stock 1/4 mile times.

Some of the old CRX will turn 0 to 60 in the 8s,an 85 did 0 to 60 in 8.7.an 88 t0 91 did 0 to 60 in 8.2 seconds according to road and track,and they got faster .many of these cars will outrun a V6 to 50 mph and some will beat you in the 1/4mile.in a motor trend test a del sol did 0 to 60 in 7.4// 1/4 mile in 15.8,, some late model civic si will do 0 to 60 in 7 seconds a fiero V 6 does 0 to 60 in 8 seconds the 1/4 mile in 16.00.Honda civic??would not own one but they are most excellent engines,, excellent handling,some of the del sols will run under 8 seconds to 60,they will stay with a good running fiero V6 inthe 1/4 mile,,of course they do not have torque.. knew those old road test would come in handy some day!!

A DUAL OVERHEAD CAM Civic like the 98-00 Si's will beat you, they are 160bhp (we are 140bhp) and the weight isn't that different. HOWEVER the hatches had either a D15 or a D16 Single overhead cam motor rated between 100 and 120 bhp, and mid 90s CX models have dyno'ed as low as 64 FWHP. You can beat a ricer, not a tuner. SOHC civics run 17s in the 1/4 a good condition GT with a manual will beat one, especially if it gets twisty.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: You can beat a ricer, not a tuner.

that is so incredibly true, i had a friend in high school that has a highly modified intgera, that i've ridden in numerous times, and it is just fast, for lack of better words. he even went as far as putting the clear tail lights on it just so he could beat up on some unsuspecting ricer.

It is so easy, In fact its what i live on, beating ricers and their civics. Until I get my 3800sc installed, then I would aim for higher prey. But as others have said stay away from newer Si and some vitec's, they can be pretty fast in the right hands.

If you run from a roll, you will get walked. Bad.

The 1/4 will be a drivers race, you having a slight advantage.

Stock for stock, yes you will win, hon-duhs have no TQ even if the HP is higher the TQ is like half.

Again hon-duhs suck.

Get some more air in and out of the V6 and you can pull harder from a roll

i toasted many a civic in my old oil puking worn out as shiot 2.8 from a stop light and on a roll.. i guess the old 4 spd made a bit of difference.....a few even asked what was in my car..lol....guess they couldnt see from all the smoke out the back( no not the tires)... now with a 3.8sc i give em a big head start then wave bye bye...its priceless....lol tim

So far ive raced a new vtech civic (had window sticker in it) we were running up hill and I beat him and then the othe rnight I raced a civic sedan all riced out he was faster than hell still beat him but he was sittingin my quarter panel for a while. Stock 2.8 auto

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anyone believe i beat a riced out supercharged cobalt with my shitay 2.8? i did. it was raining. the kid i guess wanted to impress the ladies he had with him. he reved at me, it was ON! I turned my neons on, they all laughed... even though he had them on also? Light went green, I took off lightly and he just sat there and kept spinning while i put car lengths between us. Choose your battles i guess. THAT KID..in fact, was a ricer. I agree that in the right hands that car could stomp me no problem, rain or shine. But He was a ricer. get what we are saying lol?

Your 2.8 off the line should whoop a lot of stockish cars out there stoplight to stoplight racing.
I agree when it comes to hon duhs the following is true.

All show = no go
If you see a fart can with a shiny non stock looking exhaust, you should prolly leave it alone.
If its just a fart can with rusty exhaust pipes before hand you can prolly stomp it.
If its decorated with everything you saw while strolling through the car accessory isle at wally world.... You can prolly stomp it.

I have been wrong before, this is all just from my observation and experience rice hunting.

Take your car to a local SCCA Auto Cross and test your car and skills. Hell, anyone can dump the clutch and hit the gas. Challenge those ricer's to meet you on the AutoX course and have some fun. You'll be surprised at times on how quick and maneuverable some of the imports are and also how well your own car does or does not handle.

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My brother just picked up a 07 civic si . It's not to shabby . My 2.8 will smoke him out of the hole but he will pass me once we get going. I bet it would be a close race at a 1/4 mile track. On the road he would walk away from the 2.8 with getrag from a roll. The thing redlines at 8k and has a 6spd. It seems like its working really hard when accelorating though. It gets good gas milage but there are WAY quicker cars by far.

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It depends on how quick your car is. 60' and 1/4 mi times? It seems you need to be in the 15's to have a good shot.

Here is the website http://www.albeedigital.com...G_H_I_0-60times.html

1992 Honda Civic EX Sedan 9.4 17.0
1992 Honda Civic Si 8.5 16.4
1992 Honda Civic Si Hatchback 8.4 16.5
1999 Honda Civic Si 7.5 15.7
2002 Honda Civic Si 7.6 15.8 (R&T July '02)
1993 Honda Civic Coupe EX 8.4 16.5
1993 Honda Civic del Sol Si 8.8 16.8
1994 Honda Civic del Sol VTEC 7.4 15.8
1994 Honda Civic EX Sedan 8.8 16.8
1995 Honda Civic EX 8.8 16.8
1996 Honda Civic Coupe HX 9.4 17.1
1996 Honda Civic EX Sedan 10.5 17.6
1996 Honda Civic DX 8.5 16.7 (C&D June, 96)
1996 Honda Civic LX Sedan 9.4 17.2
1998 Honda Civic GX (CNG.) 11.9 18.1

"1999 Honda Civic Si 7.5 15.7
2002 Honda Civic Si 7.6 15.8 (R&T July '02)"

1999 used the 160BHP B16A 1.6L DOHC 4. The 2002 used the 200HP K20 2.0L DOHC 4. According to that list those are the only ones you need to worry about. The high revving 4cyls do have pull at high speeds so don't race from a roll. But I think a minor bolt on'ed GT could pull one enough from a standing start to hold the civic down the whole race. As demonstrated by the 1/4 times, fieros have run as good as 15.7 but on average are like a 16 second car stock. In the spring when I get my GT back out I will get the video camera out and go play with some ricers. Cold air intake, header, and exhuast on a civic won't make it THAT much faster. However the 200lbs of Sony Xplod equipment and cheap ultra heavy tuner wheels slow them down. If the civic is swapped (i.e. has a JDM motor or a B series) and/or has cam(s), intake manifold, etc (more serious mods) you too will need mods to keep up. But stock to stock I say a civic will take just about any SOHC civic, DOHCs MAYBE (insert skill), and stock fiero GT with a stick can take a Muffler and Ebay cold air intaked civic as well +6hp at 9,500rpms doesn't do too much at the redlights lol. (don't flame that was a joke).

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: Fieros start fast & get slow, DOHC 4-bangers start slow, and get quicker. so - it depends on the length of the race. you can always look for stock 1/4 mile times.

That's why Honda stands for "Hold on not done accelerating"!

If its stock and he is a true ricer, all you have to do is be smart about your driving. He will spin off the line and will take it to redline. Figure out your powerband and you are golden.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: "1999 Honda Civic Si 7.5 15.7 2002 Honda Civic Si 7.6 15.8 (R&T July '02)" 1999 used the 160BHP B16A 1.6L DOHC 4. The 2002 used the 200HP K20 2.0L DOHC 4.

Hmmmm....don't think so. The 2002-2005 Si (only came in hatchback form) still had the 160 HP engine (US cars). The new '06-'07 Si coupes have a 197 HP engine though (K20Z3).

The 200 HP engine came in the Civic Type-R (not available here) and the Integra Type-S (was available in US)......this was the K20A2 engine. The '02-'05 Civic Si's had a K20A3 engine (again, the 160HP version). Of course, the A2 is a direct bolt-in for the A3, so it is very conceiveable that there are a few Civic Si hatch's floating around with the 200 HP engine.

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My bad I figured all K20s were 200hp. Either way, I'd still avoid any K series in a stock fiero. BTW its called an RSX in america, well it was... now its called a 2007 Civic Si lol.

quote Originally posted by Chris Hodson: All show = no go If you see a fart can with a shiny non stock looking exhaust, you should prolly leave it alone. If its just a fart can with rusty exhaust pipes before hand you can prolly stomp it. If its decorated with everything you saw while strolling through the car accessory isle at wally world.... You can prolly stomp it. I have been wrong before, this is all just from my observation and experience rice hunting.

Thats one prospective. But The easiest way is simple, If its got boost its fast, if its awd drive its faster. you cant beat a awd turbo car off the line, they can rev as high as they want and still not worry about considerable wheel spin. Ive done the dsm thing for a while and My SBC swapped fiero (built 355, 5spd) cant hold a candle to my 2G eclipse GSX (20psi, ported bastard 16G, big fmic, 780cc's etc. .

on the other hand, Ive also built a GST (same as gsx but not awd) and ive lost a lot of races to less powerful cars just becuase of traction, fwd cars arent good from a dig on the street, 1. you have to ease off the line, 2. once you spool your tires break loose again and when you have a built engine you just run out of gears before the wheels grab. No fun..

Just for the record I ate a 2005 up model SI with my 2.8. It depends on who's driving and how you can use certain advantages. Mine wasn't stock and I took a turn sideways...........but I won

My 3.4DOHC would tear a hole in the new SI's.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: BTW its called an RSX in america, well it was... now its called a 2007 Civic Si lol.

D'oh! I forgot about the name change.....I sorta like the Integra name better than some random letters, but that's just me.

I swapped a 3800SC into my car, and I still havent beat a honda.. I am 0-2...

Hondas are very very very light compared to a fiero, they just hurt for traction. You have to get out in front early, and hope your motor will hold him off. My little stock 3800 is not enough against the "ricers" around town here.

You must be racing twin turbo C32B cars if you are getting owned in a 3800SC. Very very very light? Not really a Fiero weighs 2500 (84 strippo) - 2750 (88GT). Is your car an auto or a manual? Is it running right? In theory the civics need to be 12-13 second cars to beat you, thats not a stock SOHC 1.5L civic.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: You must be racing twin turbo C32B cars if you are getting owned in a 3800SC. Very very very light? Not really a Fiero weighs 2500 (84 strippo) - 2750 (88GT). Is your car an auto or a manual? Is it running right? In theory the civics need to be 12-13 second cars to beat you, thats not a stock SOHC 1.5L civic.

are you retarded??? a stock b16-b18 with 10-12lbs would absolutely pull a sexual predator on your dumpster. And why the hell is that retard posting engine specs on 10 year old hondas?? get with the program poncho d15-16 ollllllld school.....k series newwww school aka 2.8 killers! man this thread should be titled "losing so easy a fiero driver can do it"

2.8 killers lol. Thats sounds odd to me.

Actually the build of choice is the B series motors not the new intelligent VTEC **** out now sorry N2weeks. Im not an import guy but I have a few friends that are die hard Honda drivers. Actually I have a friend that has a 11.5 second 1/4 mile D series SOHC turbo car. He is "the" man to go to for tuning on Hondas around here. For the money to swap the "new school" motors in, its not worth it when you can build a B18C or B18C1 or any B series and run 11s and 10s with less money. The Acura GSR motor is a awesome motor to platform with. 8500rpm redline in a light hatch is awesome. Couple that with a turbo and supporting mods, hold on. But still its not a drag racer, its a highway car that runs awesome from a 40 roll. The thing about DSMs, hahaha, junk drivelines. Dont build the motor and not the driveline and expect to race every weekend on the street or you will be having AAA haul your car home for you. Fierogt3800, maybe you should stick to imports because if your v8 Fierocant hang with your DSM, then sometings wrong. AWD DSMs are pig ass heavy (about 3,600lbs give or take a few). I also know someone with a 1g DSM built with turbo and N20, AWD, built Shepherd racing driveline and he's in the 11s. Granted hes hasnt bored, stroked, sleeved the block but all the bolt ons are there and hes in the 11s only. Pretty sure a V8 Fiero with descent mods would hit 11s too. Hell hes gettin beat by an 03-04 Cobra with stock blower with just a tune and tires on the street, and might I say, out of the hole. They have this little rivalry to out do each other so they are at it all the time. Its pretty close but it can go either way on the hole shot but 7 outta 10 times the Cobra gets the shot

quote Originally posted by N2weeks: are you retarded??? a stock b16-b18 with 10-12lbs would absolutely pull a sexual predator on your dumpster. And why the hell is that retard posting engine specs on 10 year old hondas?? get with the program poncho d15-16 ollllllld school.....k series newwww school aka 2.8 killers! man this thread should be titled "losing so easy a fiero driver can do it"

good luck holding your ring lands together with 10-12lbs on a stock block. especially the way you honda guys put together turbo kits. my car ran a 16.09 bone stock. that beat a turbo B16 in a coupe running 9 psi, and a civic with a 2.2L. take your XS power turbos and FMU's and shove it.

you know whats real gay, spinning your front tires. get a real car.


edit... sorry about the venting guys, i just hear too much of this BS at school.

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im a honda guy. i have a 1990 CRX si with a H22 thats fully built. it makes about 320WHP. now that being said the car os not a car for stoplight lovin'. it is balisticly fast once it gets up there. and these people that boost their vtech motors piss me off, the vtech and the boost hits at the same time and that equals instant traction loss. i love my little crx but it is by no means a drag car. i use it for road racing, it has coilovers and wide tires(for a crx) and it will keep up with an s2k around the track. but having my fiero i have a stock 3800SC in it with around 200WHP and it will smoke my CRX any day of the week. and awnsering your question if you come across a STOCK civic you will beat it most likely. if the driver is really good and knows his car he might beat you.

ha, i didn't know this thread was still going Even though some hondas might beat me, id rather have my fiero Ive only seen ONE other fiero in 5 months, and it was in **** condition. I see about 40 hondas each day. Oh, and how about a newer celica? Theres a guy around here thats a real deuche and he owns a riced out celica, complete with stickers on the doors for parts he does not own :P win? Lose? close race?

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depends on the celica if it is the new gts you would proly loose i think those have like 225HP but im not shure. so loose/close race

Back in the day the fiero might have been quick, but today it can't keep up with a bone stock civic with a 2L 4 banger. There are so many fast cars today that I would not attempt to race or pretend my car was fast in a stock fiero.

The fiero is slow, and with a 3800sc or N* swap it can be brought back to quick status. Its still not "fast" because there are stock cars such as the ZO6 in the 11s. Even the big boat SRT-8 charger is in the low 13s. Mustang cobras in the 12s etc. All stock cars that are MUCH quicker when they have some go fast parts as well.

The fiero is a fun car to drive but there will always be someone faster.

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Oh i know.. im only looking to beat the ricers, i know how to pick my battles. No ZO6's for me lol

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quote Originally posted by kyp: im a honda guy. i have a 1990 CRX si with a H22 thats fully built. it makes about 320WHP. now that being said the car os not a car for stoplight lovin'. it is balisticly fast once it gets up there. and these people that boost their vtech motors piss me off, the vtech and the boost hits at the same time and that equals instant traction loss. i love my little crx but it is by no means a drag car. i use it for road racing, it has coilovers and wide tires(for a crx) and it will keep up with an s2k around the track. but having my fiero i have a stock 3800SC in it with around 200WHP and it will smoke my CRX any day of the week. and awnsering your question if you come across a STOCK civic you will beat it most likely. if the driver is really good and knows his car he might beat you.

You are not a honda guy but you are a retard!! it's V-T-E-C actually and you in fact don't have a built h22 anything. If you do what pistons are you using?? because obviously you know that you need a certain type of forged piston because of the design of the closed deck block and the reaction the iron has with certain pistons. your stock 3800 sc would get molested by a built h22 in a crx RETARD. Oh yea what are you using for tuning, turbo, fuel, lakewood traction bars? clutch? axle setup because clearly you know you have to use da integra axles on the driver side and a dc axle on the passenger side. your car is a soup can and has no chance against the superior engine and turbo BOOOOOOST!! so wanker before you post look in the mirror and say "do i really want people to know what a natural retard i really am?"

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Old news for people with money however the true "RICERS" can't afford those K series cars and are still running the D series. Yes plenty of hondas will beat fieros, HOWEVER the average ricer who has a D series with a bolt on or two can't hold on. BTW You're a troll, please leave.