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surge engineering chip by italian90
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i bouught one and i cant figuuure ot how to wire it to my 84 fiero
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g-a-r-b-a-g-e.

listen to what people here are telling you.. theyve been doing it for years.

all those little go-fast items you are buying will NOT make your duke any better. period.

if you are poor like me... then learn to aprreciate the handling

if not, time to upgrade.. better 4cyl, or a v6, and if you got $$ a v8 .. pick one.

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Originally posted by BobadooFunk:

g-a-r-b-a-g-e.

listen to what people here are telling you.. theyve been doing it for years.

all those little go-fast items you are buying will NOT make your duke any better. period.

if you are poor like me... then learn to aprreciate the handling

if not, time to upgrade.. better 4cyl, or a v6, and if you got $$ a v8 .. pick one.



i know it wont make it really much faster but i still want to wire it for fuuel efficency and it will contorl the idle of my car
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The '84 Fiero (And its computer BTW) was *designed* by GM engineers as a reliable, fuel-efficient commuter coupe. Commuter. As in, 'make this car get great mileage'.

A cheaply made chip burned by some guy on his PC in his spare time isn't going to do much better, I think.


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It was made for fuel efficiency with consideration for smog and relyability. Sacrefices can be made insome of those areas.
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could cut out the cat too then
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Originally posted by The Funkmaster:

could cut out the cat too then


Headers, Cam, etc... theres a list.
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Heh- I love modifying things. You know, a wee shot o' nitrous would make him go fast for not much...
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Originally posted by The Funkmaster:

Heh- I love modifying things. You know, a wee shot o' nitrous would make him go fast for not much...


do u know how to instal that chip all post a picture of it
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This is totally a joke... RFT havin fun, representin the wes-siiiiede!

lol

Made my evening amusing. Thanks guys.
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I'm not familiar with the "surge engineering" chip, but all of the chips I've seen for Fieros typically do the same thing.

Make the car run rich.
Give you less horsepower.
Kill your gas mileage.

And that's if they succeed in doing anything. Most will try to "fool" the intake air temp sensor or something to richen up the mixture, then the ECM reads this and leans it back to where it's supposed to be. - Net result = no change.

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Originally posted by Formula88:
And that's if they succeed in doing anything. Most will try to "fool" the intake air temp sensor or something to richen up the mixture, then the ECM reads this and leans it back to where it's supposed to be. - Net result = no change.



84 doesnt even have an intake air temp sensor... or PCM controlled timing.
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Originally posted by 84Bill:

84 doesnt even have an intake air temp sensor... or PCM controlled timing.


The ECM can advance the timing.
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Originally posted by AP2k:


The ECM can advance the timing.


i juust wana know how to instal it idc if it doesnt work i juust wanma see wut it wilol do with my own experience
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Originally posted by italian90:

i bouught one and i cant figuuure ot how to wire it to my 84 fiero


I have some Oceanfront prrperty in Arizona for sale...................fairly cheap too ??
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dude.. for one, ask in tech, two.. stop making so many damn threads. lol one would be enough, and for future reference, most chips for cars older than like 95 or maybe even newer, dont do ANYTHING but maybe make your engine run rich.
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Originally posted by 84Bill:
84 doesnt even have an intake air temp sensor... or PCM controlled timing.


Wrong, the 1984 has PCM controlled timing advance. The distributor has an ignition module, pick-up coil and no weights, that means the PCM has to control the timing advance. There is no mechanical advance.

Yes the 1984-1986 4-cyl engines do not use a MAT sensor only the V-6 uses it.

As for he topic of the thread:
The "Surge Engineering" chip will NOT work on a 4-cyl engine and on the V-6 it causes poor performance and can cause engine damage by causing pre-dentonation (pinging) under certain conditions. This can actually damage your engine.

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Lets just say it does work, what other mods do you have? Making your car dump fuel will do... jack.
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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

Lets just say it does work, what other mods do you have? Making your car dump fuel will do... jack.


performance hearders cold air intake re build kit for the motor. and my car isnt actually that slow out of the whole i kicked a mustang GT at the pamona drag strip in LA
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Originally posted by The Funkmaster:

The '84 Fiero (And its computer BTW) was *designed* by GM engineers as a reliable, fuel-efficient commuter coupe. Commuter. As in, 'make this car get great mileage'.

A cheaply made chip burned by some guy on his PC in his spare time isn't going to do much better, I think.


I have this farmland in Alaska I'd like to sell you, Sir. You'll love it.



How many acres you got to sell? I like the weather up there

I agree on the chips, even on the 2.8. In my case the chip the PO had in there ate more gas, for no noticable gain.. ( its since then been pulled out for a OEM program )

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Intake and headers don't need more fuel, things like porting, cam, high compression, etc are what may call for more fuel.
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Originally posted by italian90:
performance hearders cold air intake re build kit for the motor. and my car isnt actually that slow out of the whole i kicked a mustang GT at the pamona drag strip in LA


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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

Intake and headers don't need more fuel, things like porting, cam, high compression, etc are what may call for more fuel.


well dont talk trash i just didnt know about it cuz i usally dont like messing with computer things cuz thats how my trans am got messed uup
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Dude I am not talking trash I am trying to help you not get bad gas mileage and clogging up your motor with un burnt fuel.
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You know, you could just soak the cat in fuel and light that puppy off
Call it a jet booster
**** i think i have an ebay business idea
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Originally posted by italian90:


performance hearders cold air intake re build kit for the motor. and my car isnt actually that slow out of the whole i kicked a mustang GT at the pamona drag strip in LA



Uhm. The duke will get up off the line with a touch of go. but theres no way you beat a v-6 mustang, let alone a GT
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Uhm. The duke will get up off the line with a touch of go. but theres no way you beat a v-6 mustang, let alone a GT


HALLELUJAH !!!!!
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Lol it could have been bracket racing and italian didn't know
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Come on boys, give the poor guy a break. How many of you remember tieing a balloon to your bicycle forks for a little sound action?

You older fellows know what I'm talking about.

Now to give him a little support and divert the flames I was given a chip by a friend and I put it in my 2.8 (2) years ago.
Cant say I felt anymore power but I dont beat the car. Never had the pedal to the wall once.

As far as gas mileage I get 27-29 mpg and thats with a 4 spd / no overdrive. Sorry I dont remember who's chip it was but I know it was not the Surge product.

Now for that beachfront property somebody was selling
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Lol it could have been bracket racing and italian didn't know


i think that would be a rasciest remark there bud
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I'm italian in real life, and your s/n is italian90 but nice try. Oh and if you want to call me on being a racist, at least learn to spell it.

[This message has been edited by Mr.PBody (edited 09-20-2007).]

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i think that would be a rasciest remark there bud


Calm down, this is what is bracket racing is. http://www.okthunder.com/ra...0info%20page%205.htm
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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

I'm italian in real life, and your s/n is italian90 but nice try. Oh and if you want to call me on being a racist, at least learn to spell it.



im italian 2 there bud and i dont sit around on the computer playing with myself
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I am actually writing an english paper, because I know how to spell, and want to make more out my life than being a babling failure who just posts stupid come backs online.

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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

I am actually writing an english paper, because I know how to spell, and want to make more out my life than being a babling failure who just posts stupid come backs online.



dude im in the military so keep talking trash lil boy and go cry to ur mommy
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The military doesn't have stuff for you to do other than tie up their bandwidth making yourself look like a moron?
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The military doesn't have stuff for you to do other than tie up their bandwidth making yourself look like a moron?


ive served 4 tours 2 iraq so wen ur sittin in ur lil bedroom playing on the computer i was out in the freezing cold and desert heat so just shuuuuut up
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I like how people use military service to cover their actions, thanks for serving our country, but that doesn't negate you being a total dip$hit.
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I like how people use military service to cover their actions, thanks for serving our country, but that doesn't negate you being a total dip$hit.


and ur prob some fat kid that still is dressed by his mom
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