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Subs in firewall? Any problems with useing this setup? by kawana
Started on: 07-25-2007 08:41 PM
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Last post by: 308 Ferrari Kit on 07-26-2007 11:05 PM
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Report this Post07-25-2007 08:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kawanaClick Here to visit kawana's HomePageSend a Private Message to kawanaDirect Link to This Post
Im just curious about people using subwoofers in the firewall, does the heat effect the subwoofers in any way? I thought that would be a good spot for a sub cuz then when i need to i can just remove the sub and have access to the sparkplugs too lol. Bonus How does it sound mounted that way?
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Report this Post07-25-2007 08:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986GTV8Send a Private Message to 1986GTV8Direct Link to This Post
Do a search, I beleive that someone has done that.

I can't remember the thread though.

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Report this Post07-25-2007 08:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kawanaClick Here to visit kawana's HomePageSend a Private Message to kawanaDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 1986GTV8:

Do a search, I beleive that someone has done that.

I can't remember the thread though.

John


I know people have done it, im just wondering if any long term problems have been found by people who have done it.
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Report this Post07-25-2007 09:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dcfoxSend a Private Message to dcfoxDirect Link to This Post
Biggest problem I can foresee is that the fuel filler tube runs diagonally behind the drivers seat between the passenger compartment and engine compartment...INSIDE the void that would be your enclosure...blocking part of the area where your sub would more than likely be sitting.

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Report this Post07-25-2007 10:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jscott1Send a Private Message to jscott1Direct Link to This Post
The firewall is double walled. When you cut through from the inside you reveal a small cavity. The small cavity is not large enough to mount a speaker it's only about 2 1/2 inches deep. But it gives enough room for the magnet of a large subwoofer and allow you to build your enclosure to a smaller depth.

You REALLY don't want to cut all the way through into the actual engine compartment. It's called a firewall for a very good reason. You would likely asphixiate yourself with carbon monoxide poisoning as well.

Driver's side

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Report this Post07-25-2007 11:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 308 Ferrari KitSend a Private Message to 308 Ferrari KitDirect Link to This Post
I cant say that I've had any problems with my 8 inch sub install yet because it isn't finished.

But I thought i would speak up since it seems there aren't many firewall subs out there (I'm not counting console mounted subs of course).



I only have the passenger side hole for now. I'm not sure if I will need the drivers side or not
because one sub might just be enough bass. That's the way I have planned it anyways.

However, the drivers side can be done but you will have to relocate the relays and the fuel filler pipe probably will be an issue and perhaps the air filter as well (V6 car). Yep, have to move some stuff.

An enclosure will be necessary in my opinion. One of the earlier posts eluded to the fact that it would just be a speaker stuck in the hole.

Never mind the danger of fumes coming in the passenger compartment, the speaker itself would deteriorate from the heat and from the rain water, or the car wash spray or a bunch of other things that could happen there.

I have relocated my battery, so the area behind my sub is clear for an enclosure.

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Originally posted by 308 Ferrari Kit:

I cant say that I've had any problems with my 8 inch sub install yet because it isn't finished.

But I thought i would speak up since it seems there aren't many firewall subs out there (I'm not counting console mounted subs of course).



Just curious... why are you putting your sub way up there? Does the sub have a deep basket that makes it unsuitable to mount near the floor?



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Report this Post07-26-2007 02:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jscott1Send a Private Message to jscott1Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 308 Ferrari Kit:




Well there is a first time for everything. I've never seen anyone actually cut through the firewall. Make darn sure your enclosure is airtight or you are going to get serious heat, smoke and vapors into the cabin and it's not going to be nice.
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Report this Post07-26-2007 02:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PaulJKSend a Private Message to PaulJKDirect Link to This Post
The biggest problem i can see will appear when you try to sell the car and someone sees those huge holes, even if they are covered with a speaker ....
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Report this Post07-26-2007 04:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GokartSend a Private Message to GokartDirect Link to This Post
Here was my build with many of the helpful threads attached. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/064567.html
I ended up removing the one behind the drivers seat and opted for a center console sub instead. There was a big difference in performance with the sub compared to the passenger side. Probably because of the smaller amount of space with the fuel lines. Plus the seat was fine for me but it wouldn't move all the way back and if I brought it in for service somewhere a tall mechanic probably wouldn't be appreciate that
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Report this Post07-26-2007 08:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
I put mine in the double wall area down low - like in jscott1's pic. or more like fierosound's pic - both sides, kinda square.
then, made a fiberglass shell to fit the hole. the dbl firewall area is NOT that big, or very deep. like someone said - adds maybe 2"
the speaker generates WAY more heat than what is transmitted thru the firewall. but, I also dont have a cat conv, which is right by the drivers side, and is a MAJOR heat soak source.
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Report this Post07-26-2007 10:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 308 Ferrari KitSend a Private Message to 308 Ferrari KitDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by PaulJK:

The biggest problem i can see will appear when you try to sell the car and someone sees those huge holes, even if they are covered with a speaker ....


Not a problem, the speakers will be concealed by carpet or a speaker material to blend in with the interior. They will be hidden.

Plus, if I ever get my kit finished, I doubt that I would sell it. LOL
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Originally posted by fierosound:


Just curious... why are you putting your sub way up there? Does the sub have a deep basket that makes it unsuitable to mount near the floor?




I chose this sub location because it would be able to be hidden behind the firewall carpet panel and it was easier to put them up high because the lower firewall area has a wiring harness in the way and the sheetmetal below the battery tray (part of the wheel well) would have to be cut.

Also, it cleared the trunk hinges and fits just nicely.
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Originally posted by jscott1:

The firewall is double walled. When you cut through from the inside you reveal a small cavity. The small cavity is not large enough to mount a speaker it's only about 2 1/2 inches deep. But it gives enough room for the magnet of a large subwoofer and allow you to build your enclosure to a smaller depth.

You REALLY don't want to cut all the way through into the actual engine compartment. It's called a firewall for a very good reason. You would likely asphixiate yourself with carbon monoxide poisoning as well.

Driver's side




Ok, the firewall is double walled but only down low (at least on the passenger side, I haven't cut into the drivers side). What I mean to say is there is a space between the layers down low, but up high (on my 85 GT) it is two layers of sheetmetal directly against each other, no space between at all until you get back up the the area right against the base of the rear window, then there is a hollow channel across for structural support.

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