I have a silly kinda question....... I have a 4 cyl, 5 spd 87 fiero. Is anyone elses fiero, of the same year, tranny, and motor size, able to peel out? My car is able to, but only for a second, before the tires bite and take off. I am wondering if my clutch is getting old, or if these cars never really had the power with the 4 cyl....
Put some bleech on your tires then try it, I'll bet money you will be able to hold a burn out then This is all I could get out of my 85SE 5speed when I had it: Click here to see Video
Fieros don't "burnout" primarily because of the sheer physics of the car. There is plenty of weight on the rear tires and when you accelerate, the rear tires get loaded even more. Getting a bigger engine always helps, but the tires will still grip fairly well. I think a linelock would be the best option for our cars.... or not doing it all together and being your transmissions friend instead!
Fieros don't "burnout" primarily because of the sheer physics of the car. There is plenty of weight on the rear tires and when you accelerate, the rear tires get loaded even more. Getting a bigger engine always helps, but the tires will still grip fairly well. I think a linelock would be the best option for our cars.... or not doing it all together and being your transmissions friend instead!
Linelock is overrated, just drop the air ride down on the nose of the car so the front tires are resting inside the fenders. Then you can hold a burn out as long as you want
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12:12 PM
sostock Member
Posts: 5907 From: Grain Valley, MO Registered: May 2005
84 se 4 speed. i can get a little squeak from a stop and a chirp into second. a duke 5 speed is really an economy/commuter car. you will end up tearing up your clutch, tranny, tires, etc.
if you want something that will burn some rubber find an older mustang/camero to beat up on and use the fiero for a daily driver.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
With a 4cyl you are gonna be pretty hard pressed to get it to lay any decent amount of rubber behind you.
I know it can be done if you managed to get it going sideways and keep your foot planted.
I know my 85GT with the modified bored 2.9 would leave 15-20ft of rubber on the ground even with massive 245/50/16's on the back. In the dry pavement it would step sideways on a hard launch and in the rain would not stop spinning until 1/2 way through 3rd gear.
On a side note, I also blew up 3, 4spd trans axles, countless mounts and went through 2-3 sets of rear tires per year. If you are looking to do burnouts, a Camaro would be your best bet. If you have money to spend and want to be able to do burnouts in a Fiero. The bigger the motor you can buy the better the burnouts will be.
The only 4cyl that I ever saw that did a really good smokey burnout was because we soaked the tires in aerosol tire shine. It got into the tread and I think took dang near a month before the car was safe to drive in the rain again. Even after the surface of the tire was clean as soon as the tires got wet it would seep out from the tread and get slick again. So if you start putting things on tires to be able to spin the tires, make sure you have a spare set to swap over.
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06:13 PM
fierobrian Member
Posts: 2976 From: aurora il 60505 Registered: Sep 2003
Originally posted by Capt Fiero: If you are looking to do burnouts, a Camaro would be your best bet. If you have money to spend and want to be able to do burnouts in a Fiero. The bigger the motor you can buy the better the burnouts will be.
I beg to differ on the Camaro part , those 3rd gens are weak, and the motors are horrible. Burnouts are about torque and gearing. Back when I had a stock 5.0L, I also had a 3000 rpm converter, and some 4.30 gears in the rear. In less than 30 seconds, I could fill a whole parking lot with smoke, tires roasting away in 3rd gear. Who knows how much smoke it could have produced? I had to stop after my passenger and I could no longer see each other, because at this point, we were no longer able to breathe. At the time, I was across the street from a body shop that my friend worked at. He snapped some pics, but he said it was pointless cause you couldn't see the car.
I wouldn't expect much smoke out of any 4 cylinder, unless its got a power adder. If you want to retain the 4 cylinder fuel economy, and make more than 300 RWHP easy, a 86 mustang SVO would be an easy answer. They're pretty easy to modify with plenty of aftermarket parts(even aftermarket heads+cams). Go back and read sostock's post.
And whatever you decide to do, good luck .
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05:06 AM
swisscheese Member
Posts: 537 From: somewhere over the pond Registered: Oct 2005
Is that what the 3rd gens have at the flywheel stock? The fox stangs are rated at that, at the flywheel. 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords dynoed a bone stock 5.0 with 170k miles, it put down 277 foot/lbs at the rear wheel. Its in the April 06 edition. Has an orange coupe on the front cover. Show me a 3rd gen camaro that is bone stock and can hold its own with that.
Back when I had my bone stock 5.0L automatic convertible, I raced a buddy with a pretty sweet 3rd gen. I had 2 passengers and a full tank of gas, he had no passengers and said he had 1-2 gallons and needed to fill up. The race was dead even. The LS1 is the first GM v8 pushrod motor to thoroughly impress me .
Edited to add 'v8', I'm impressed with the 2.8L v6
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07:19 AM
swisscheese Member
Posts: 537 From: somewhere over the pond Registered: Oct 2005
My '91 305cu. 5speed is rated at 300 lb.ft. at the flywheel and on the dyno it put down a little more. But the 350cu. is rated at 345lb.ft. So no problem laying down some rubber
For sure, the LS1 is another story
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07:29 AM
5.0Vert Member
Posts: 287 From: Hurst, Tx, USA Registered: Mar 2005
My '91 305cu. 5speed is rated at 300 lb.ft. at the flywheel and on the dyno it put down a little more. But the 350cu. is rated at 345lb.ft. So no problem laying down some rubber
For sure, the LS1 is another story
Is it bone stock? If the 305's are making a decent amount of power, I don't understand how come it couldn't pull ahead of a bone stock AOD convertible. Convertibles are HEAVY. I'd love to have an LS1, I keep toying with the idea of buying a motor and shoving it in something, I just can't find everything cheap enough to justify it . 400 HP at the flywheel and still capable of 32 mpg? Easy mods get 400 at the rear wheel and still 32 mpg? Its an awesome motor.
Back in high school I had another friend, he went through 2 305's before his dad bought him a 350. With the bottle(that his dad bought him for christmas!) it was probably pretty quick, I haven't seen the car in over a year though. It was one of the few clean 3rd gen's. All the 3rd gen's I see now are ragged out. Same goes for 80% of the fox bodies I see though .
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08:07 AM
Deabionni Member
Posts: 4088 From: Kalkaska, MI Registered: Mar 2004
No kidding! (Just make sure you have a big open space).
When your car starts to move, the front of the car will load up; taking the weight off the rear of the car, and allowing you to do a burnout easier. I did this in an empty parking lot once, and was surprized at how far the car could do a burnout in reverse. (My car was a 2.5 Duke w/ the 5 speed, same as yours).
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09:23 AM
5.0Vert Member
Posts: 287 From: Hurst, Tx, USA Registered: Mar 2005
No kidding! (Just make sure you have a big open space).
When your car starts to move, the front of the car will load up; taking the weight off the rear of the car, and allowing you to do a burnout easier. I did this in an empty parking lot once, and was surprized at how far the car could do a burnout in reverse. (My car was a 2.5 Duke w/ the 5 speed, same as yours).
I'd imagine that would wreak havoc on the internals of your transmission.
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09:58 AM
Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7568 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Even my GT doesent Do burnouts. I can spin a cookie really well in eather one though. I am glad they get good traction makes them a fast car off the line.
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. 400 HP at the flywheel and still capable of 32 mpg? Easy mods get 400 at the rear wheel and still 32 mpg? Its an awesome motor. 
