Someone mentioned I could sell it to someone in a state that could retitle it. Someone else mentioned there is a company in Nevada that buys your car and then titles it and resells it to you ..Anybody know about this or could help me find out a way to retitle the car? In Iowa I can't do this. The reason I am asking is, because I wan't to sell it and want to provide a potential seller in the Mall a way to title it if they want to do so.

BTW, its an 88 coupe with no rust, needs a new motor (2.8 auto with rod knocking). I need to sell it ...

Try International Title Service in Las Vegas. They don't buy your car but get a bill of sale from New Hampshire or Vermont (one or the other doesn't issue titles on cars older than 1988 according to the ITS website.)

http://www.its-titles.com/

Thanks Brian I thought there was a place that did this ..I am going to be posting this car in the Mall as a unit to someone that could actually retitle it they wished ..I know I could myself but I have so amny cars as it is I need cull the "herd" as it were . a+ for you for helping me

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quote Originally posted by Brian Lamberts: They don't buy your car but... http://www.its-titles.com/

Actually they do buy your car...then sell it back to you in your home state with a "clean" laundered title. Kind of shady, but legal.

From their website:

In the process, we purchase the vehicle from you. We will then register the vehicle
in our company name. In turn, we sell the vehicle back to you or to whomever you
wish by transferring the documents. We will send you the registration, letter of title
and a bill of sale. You will then have all the necessary documents to legally title,
and/or register the vehicle in your State, Province or Country.
We accept transactions from anywhere in the world.

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I bought the car legally with a bill of sale ..I don't see any reaon why I should junk a good 88 that could provide someone with the pinnacle of Fiero enjoyment...I suppose I will go ahead and put it in the Mall as a parts car in hopes that someone will go through the trouble of getting it titled.

I'm sure each state is different but in CA all you have to do is take the running car down to the State Patrol and get a brake/light inspection and then take the car to the DMV and for $200 they will give you a shiny new title. It's a whole lot simpler than all of the hoops of trying to do it the other way, plus, then if it winds up back in the original state where the junk title was issued there is no legal problem.

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I may not be understanding. Do you have atitle allready? Does it just say junk on it, but other than that it looks similar to a regular title?

In Missouri we get "SALVAGE" put on the title if its ever been bought by insurance, totaled, or bought by a junk yard, however Arkansas doesnt recognise the salvage title as anything other than a title and you can "re-title" the car in Arkansas and change it back to Missouri with nothing in the corner

Just send it down to me if its at least a legal paper I can get a title for her, though it will probably say salvage on it somewhere, it will be a title.

In Lousiana you cant get a salvage vehicle re-titled again, cant even buy them from insurance, or junk yard. I was amazed how many cars were in the yards with very little damage and they refused to sell for legal reasons.

Brad

I had never heard of 'junk' titles either till I moved to CA. I bought a near mint 85 GT from a guy with no idea about the junk title. He just told me he had lost the title and gave me paperwork to apply for a new one. When I tried I learned about junk titles. This car didn't have a scratch on it, never wrecked, perfect interior, and ran just fine. Some idiot just didn't want it anymore and sold it to a junkyard so it had a junk title. Any car in CA that ever hits a junkyard gets a junk title regardless of condition. It is easy to get it retitled but it is a pain if you didn't realize what the car was when you bought it.

quote Originally posted by Erik: I bought the car legally with a bill of sale

I'm not saying you did anything wrong, or that the International Title Service is bad... The title laws are all over the map in the US because each state sets it's own rules. Some states don't even require a title on cars over a certain age while some states are very strict. These companies obviously set up shop in the states that are not so strict, and then all the other states honor the title once it's issued.

In Texas what you are supposed to do if you buy a car with only a Bill of Sale is get a Bonded Title. What that means is that you have to put up the money for a bond so for the next three years, if someone shows up with an actual Title and can prove ownership, the bond company will pay them off. The value of the car is determined by 1 1/2 times the NADA blue blook, which for a Fiero is not much. It costs about the same or less as going through ITS so it's not such a harsh thing and very little risk.

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well, in WV, ohio and kentucky ive noticed they have junk titles, which means the vehicle was beyond salvageable status,

ive seen it happen many times that a good vehicle gets a junk title, basically here's what ive seen:

Joe blow: im going to sell you mr. cantley my 1988 fiero for $500

Mr. cantley: ok here's $500

joe blow: im signing the title, and giving you a bill of sale

2 years roll by

Mr. cantley: finally the car is fixed and ready to be on the road, Now i just have to put this title in my name and get it registered.

1 year previous

Joe blow: goes to the DMV and see's the 1988 fiero is still in his name cause it was on his tax statement, So instead of just marking it out like he's supposed to do, he goes down to the DMV (department of motor vehicles, also called BMV someplaces) and files for a lost title, once he gets the lost title, he marks on it JUNK and gives it back to the DMV therefor the vehicle is JUNKED and the lost title is the only valid title.

back to present time with mr. cantley

Mr. cantley: well im here at the DMV to get this vehicle licensed and registered, its been 2 years fixing this vehicle for road use, but its finally done!

DMV: im sorry sir but it appears the vehicles title has been JUNKED and can no longer be put back into servicable condition.

mr. cantley: WTF are you talkign about!!!! ARGH!!!!

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ive seen this done many times cause people think they have to continue to pay taxes on a vehicle they have sold just cause its still in their name at the time.
BTW ill have a set of vin tags and clear title in my name for a 1988GT, the title is clear now, but carfax records show's it has a salvage history, so i have no idea whats going on. im going to start piecing out the car pretty soon, and i always keep both vin tags and title to cars i strip that have titles.

matthew

quote Originally posted by Songman: I'm sure each state is different but in CA all you have to do is take the running car down to the State Patrol and get a brake/light inspection and then take the car to the DMV and for $200 they will give you a shiny new title. It's a whole lot simpler than all of the hoops of trying to do it the other way, plus, then if it winds up back in the original state where the junk title was issued there is no legal problem.

That has got to be the ONLY thing regarding cars that is easier in California!

quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: DMV: im sorry sir but it appears the vehicles title has been JUNKED and can no longer be put back into servicable condition. mr. cantley: WTF are you talkign about!!!! ARGH!!!!

I'm sure this has happened more than once...But I'm sure that a Junk title could be laundered any number of ways. Just sell it in a state that doesn't have Junk titles, then bring it back. That title will be sparkling clean.

quote Originally posted by blakeinspace: That has got to be the ONLY thing regarding cars that is easier in California!

Thats exactly what I was thinking!

quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: well, in WV, ohio and kentucky ive noticed they have junk titles, which means the vehicle was beyond salvageable status, ive seen it happen many times that a good vehicle gets a junk title, basically here's what ive seen: Joe blow: im going to sell you mr. cantley my 1988 fiero for $500 Mr. cantley: ok here's $500 joe blow: im signing the title, and giving you a bill of sale 2 years roll by Mr. cantley: finally the car is fixed and ready to be on the road, Now i just have to put this title in my name and get it registered. 1 year previous Joe blow: goes to the DMV and see's the 1988 fiero is still in his name cause it was on his tax statement, So instead of just marking it out like he's supposed to do, he goes down to the DMV (department of motor vehicles, also called BMV someplaces) and files for a lost title, once he gets the lost title, he marks on it JUNK and gives it back to the DMV therefor the vehicle is JUNKED and the lost title is the only valid title. back to present time with mr. cantley Mr. cantley: well im here at the DMV to get this vehicle licensed and registered, its been 2 years fixing this vehicle for road use, but its finally done! DMV: im sorry sir but it appears the vehicles title has been JUNKED and can no longer be put back into servicable condition. mr. cantley: WTF are you talkign about!!!! ARGH!!!! .................................................................................................................................................................................... ... ive seen this done many times cause people think they have to continue to pay taxes on a vehicle they have sold just cause its still in their name at the time. BTW ill have a set of vin tags and clear title in my name for a 1988GT, the title is clear now, but carfax records show's it has a salvage history, so i have no idea whats going on. im going to start piecing out the car pretty soon, and i always keep both vin tags and title to cars i strip that have titles. matthew

You have to pay taxes on your own property that you own and have already paid sales tax on??

a tax to own property??------------thats just ****ed man.

it varies from state to state , car dealer here use to do something simular with titling the car in alabama then selling it in TN , there was a law passed to stop this.. so Registration must vary from state to state.

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To clear things up, I bought the car without a title as a parts car due to it being junked according to the DMV and carfax. Here in Iowa once it has a junk title it cannot be retitled untill 20ys later :O The seller gave a me a bill of sale
The car is in great shape frame wise ( no rust) and I even drove it for awhile with another plate from a another Fiero ( I know , I could have gotten in trouble) . If I was going to keep the car then I would go ahead and get it titled via the Nevada company. Or, I could sell it to someone in a state that can get it re titled. The bottom line is I need to sell it as a unit as I won't have time to part it all out AND it would be nice to see perfectly good 88 frame get back on the road. It has the body panels, needs the round moulding corner lights, headlight motors buckets, quite abit of interior and of course motor rebuild or new motor..it will actually run but has a rod knocking ..

quote Originally posted by jscott1: I'm sure this has happened more than once...But I'm sure that a Junk title could be laundered any number of ways. Just sell it in a state that doesn't have Junk titles, then bring it back. That title will be sparkling clean.

According to Ed Parks, if the car ever gets sold in the original state that issued the junk title and someone tries to reregister it in that state, there could be legal issues and consequences. Back before I found out how to legally do it in CA I asked him about doing it in AL and I would register it at my place in TN. He said that if I ended up selling the car and it went back to CA, that he and I both could get in hot water. Even if the title gets 'cleared' in another state, the original state still has it listed as a junk title. Maybe there are loopholes that Ed and I are not understanding, but if you live in a state where you can do it legally through the DMV that is what I would do. As I said, in CA the cost is only $200. Of course, the car does have to be in good running order before the State Patrol will inpect it.

Erik, in your case, I would bet that even if you get a good title from Nevada, your state will still not recognize it. You said they have a 20 year period on junk titles and that VIN is still in their system as junk.

Talk to mosh_man and get his clean title and VIN. You said your car is an 88 coupe but it has a 2.8 with a rod knocking. Do you know the history of the car? If the 2.8 is stock it is obviously not a coupe. Maybe it is a Formula.

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quote Originally posted by Songman: According to Ed Parks, if the car ever gets sold in the original state that issued the junk title and someone tries to reregister it in that state, there could be legal issues and consequences. Back before I found out how to legally do it in CA I asked him about doing it in AL and I would register it at my place in TN. He said that if I ended up selling the car and it went back to CA, that he and I both could get in hot water. Even if the title gets 'cleared' in another state, the original state still has it listed as a junk title. Maybe there are loopholes that Ed and I are not understanding, but if you live in a state where you can do it legally through the DMV that is what I would do. As I said, in CA the cost is only $200. Of course, the car does have to be in good running order before the State Patrol will inpect it. Erik, in your case, I would bet that even if you get a good title from Nevada, your state will still not recognize it. You said they have a 20 year period on junk titles and that VIN is still in their system as junk. Talk to mosh_man and get his clean title and VIN. You said your car is an 88 coupe but it has a 2.8 with a rod knocking. Do you know the history of the car? If the 2.8 is stock it is obviously not a coupe. Maybe it is a Formula.

Songman the car is a coupe it originally had the 2.5 but I swapped cradles with my Formula rather than going through the trouble of having to remove everything so, It does have the rear swaybar as well as the Formula motor. I need to call the companay and see what they think Iowa would do if a buyer were to try to register it as well as contact the DMV ..I am not sure what you mean about Mosh_Mans clean title and VIN and how I could get it?

Swapping vins is completely illegal anywhere. I recommend against it.

Yes.. it is completely illegal.. But letting a perfect car go down the tubes just because some tool signed off on a piece of paper should be too... It is definitely immoral. I am just saying as a last resort.

quote Originally posted by Songman: Yes.. it is completely illegal..

You gotta take these things in context...When you talk about VIN swapping it's a felony to take a car that you don't own, or is stolen and swap a new VIN onto it to hide it's identity. If you are doing a frame off restoration, you can put on whatever VIN you happen to have title to.

You can walk into the Delorean Motor Company carrying nothing but a VIN plate and title and they will build you a brand new DMC from spare parts. But they can't do it without a VIN because they are not licensed to build new cars, only restore existing cars.

So if I got a legal title and VIN tags it would be ok to change out the VIN tags? Wouldn' they know cause it looks like the rivets are unique ...not that I would try to do such a thing ..you know I just want to be able to tell a potential buyer that its possible to get a title for the car

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: In Texas what you are supposed to do if you buy a car with only a Bill of Sale is get a Bonded Title. What that means is that you have to put up the money for a bond so for the next three years, if someone shows up with an actual Title and can prove ownership, the bond company will pay them off. The value of the car is determined by 1 1/2 times the NADA blue blook, which for a Fiero is not much. It costs about the same or less as going through ITS so it's not such a harsh thing and very little risk.

I just went through this process and will not do it again. 2 months of bureaucratic BS, hours of standing in line, and miles of driving to get everything they need. All for a $600 (their final valuation) 20 year old car. Then cost almost $100 to register/title it. No wonder they get sold to junk yards.

Dave

quote Originally posted by under8ted: You have to pay taxes on your own property that you own and have already paid sales tax on?? a tax to own property??------------thats just ****ed man.

Over here its more of a 'use tax' when you are talking cars. However, we do pay taxes on realestate property we own, every damned year..

quote Originally posted by 2farnorth: I just went through this process and will not do it again. 2 months of bureaucratic BS, hours of standing in line, and miles of driving to get everything they need. All for a $600 (their final valuation) 20 year old car. Then cost almost $100 to register/title it. No wonder they get sold to junk yards. Dave

Thanks for the insight from someone who went through it...it sounds like the "other" method is the way to go

*IF* i sell a set of vin tags and title to a car, before ill sell to a person i go through my legal disclaimer:

these are for show purposes only and should be used as such......

what they do with them from there is their own choice....

i also make sure that they own a car of the same year so its more "nostalgic"(cant spell) for them to own said vin tags and title.

matthew

quote Originally posted by jscott1: In reality you need to tke any advise you get on here with a grain of salt...unless the person is an attorney in your state who specializes in automotive titles.

I know that Jscott ...

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Thanks for the insight from someone who went through it...it sounds like the "other" method is the way to go

I got a bonded title on my Fiero, and unless something has changed in the last six years, it really wasn't that difficult. Go to the DMV, this is definately the worst part, get a bond title packet. Use the list of bond companies in the packet and find the company that charges the least for a bond. Go to bond compnay with packet and any proof of ownership(bill of sale), they give you a bond certificate. Go back to DMV when paperwork clears you get a title. Definately a little bit of a pain but you gotta expect that when you go to the DMV.

When I was checking on bonds, I got quotes from $60-160, definately shop around. I'm sure there was some extra fees for the bonded title, but registration wasn't too much more than normal.

They do value the car at 1.5 times the NADA value, you don't have to pay that............unless, this is a bonded title for three years, three years is significant because if anyone can prove ownership within those three years, the bond company has to pay the bond. And then you have to repay the bond company. There is some risk, but as long as you have a good bill of sale, there is very little risk. After the three years, the title becomes a regular title and no one can try to claim ownership.

And actually, the hardest part of this, is finding someone at the DMV that knows that this even exists. Most DMVs I have talked to don't know about this and I have to inform them about the process. Even at the Arlington DMV where I titled my Fiero, some people knew exactly what I was talking about and others had no clue.

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here's the forms needed to fill out

INTERNATIONAL TITLE SERVICE
INSTRUCTIONS
Read Carefully

1988 and Older Vehicles Only
BOTH FORMS MUST BE COMPLETED

1. The vehicle must have a value. This value must be higher than what we
charge for the service. This must be written on the form. This price will also
be on the bill of sale that will be sent back to you. Fair market value should be
considered when determining the price.

2. Affidavit and bill of sale must be notarized.

3. The printed name and drivers license number must be legible and accurate.

4. Serial (VIN) number must be legible.

5. Length is for Motor Homes and Trailers only.

6. Please print your full name and address or if title is to be in another name,
please print information below.

7. Check or money order must be payable to International Title Service.

8. If paying by credit card, fill out line 9


________________________________________________________________________
Name



________________________________________________________________________
Address



________________________________________________________________________
City State, Province, Country Zip or Postal Code



(_____)_________________________________________________________________
Area Code/Country Code Phone Number



9. _______________________________________________________________________
Credit Card No.(Visa, Discover, JCB, MasterCard, American Express) Expiration Date

quote Originally posted by Erik: so, anyway..if a person were to re attach the ORIGINAL VIN TAGS due to weak rivets...

I'm puzzled about these so called special rivets. I just went and looked at three vehicles and the rivets looked just like the pop rivets you get form Sears. I don't see anything special about them.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: I'm puzzled about these so called special rivets. I just went and looked at three vehicles and the rivets looked just like the pop rivets you get form Sears. I don't see anything special about them.

They have slight star pattern to them ..looks like if you tried to remove them, they would spin and cut a groove into the VIN tag which would be evidence of "tampering"

quote Originally posted by Erik: They have slight star pattern to them ..looks like if you tried to remove them, they would spin and cut a groove into the VIN tag which would be evidence of "tampering"

It must be very sublte because I can't even see it. I wouldn't let that stop me. I looked at the one on my truck and you can't even see the rivets. All you can see are the numbers.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: It must be very sublte because I can't even see it. I wouldn't let that stop me. I looked at the one on my truck and you can't even see the rivets. All you can see are the numbers.

Yeah I suppose unless a cop was really looking it wouldn't be noticed ..regardless what could they really do? If you had a valid title that matches the VIN how could they prove that the car used to have another VIN?