O/T: Aren't old (copper) pennies worth more melted down for copper scrap?
I wouldnt doubt it. I was a plumber before I joined the AF and 2 yrs ago copper was going for quite a decent price per lb.Close to $2 a lb if I recall.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
There's very little copper in pennies. It's copper plated zinc, and it's only 2.5% copper. I do believe it costs more than 1 cent to make a penny, but that's manufacturing costs, not raw materials.
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F-I-E-R-O Member
Posts: 8410 From: Endwell, NY Registered: Jan 2005
If his 265 is on a dyno at the wheels, then he's a doing quite a bit better than an STOCK 3800SC. The stock 3800SC will dyno ~200rwhp, 210 if you stick a getrag beside it. That's the 240 hp version and acutally that may be lower since the SC incurs additional frictional losses. The 265HP version will dyno ~220.
To keep things in perspective, a stock 3.4TDC dynos at ~180rwhp.
I'm one to talk? Look at his bar and mine. Mine is actually GREEN (at least for now! ). His looks like he should have been kicked off last year, but for some reason a lot of people here still support him. I don't know why. He probably has more green than I do, but he certainly has a LOT more red.
And you're one to talk about bars, when you don't even have one. For all you know, tomorrow you'll wake up to see a fully red bar and a nice little "User Banned" underneath it.
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If his 265 is on a dyno at the wheels, then he's a doing quite a bit better than an STOCK 3800SC. The stock 3800SC will dyno ~200rwhp, 210 if you stick a getrag beside it. That's the 240 hp version and acutally that may be lower since the SC incurs additional frictional losses. The 265HP version will dyno ~220.
To keep things in perspective, a stock 3.4TDC dynos at ~180rwhp.
I don't even think he has the thing running yet. So 265 rwhp is unlikely, he is probably making about that much at the crank. But, he doesn't have any dyno sheets, and I don't think he's even tuned it, so, in the same way he treats Cali Kid, I'm going to have to call on his 265 hp remark. Aaron, post a dyno proving yourself. For all you know, its probably making 165 hp.
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
Good job in turning it red. You're so important! . Wonder why I said "at least for now"? I knew calling out Aaron on his hypocrisy would get me red from his "supporters". Don't you have a roof scoop or something you should be making functional, instead of arguing here?
I think Aaron was talking about a Lumina Z34 that he used to have. OMG did I just do that, did I just show Aaron some support!!!
Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe
Who cares if he used to have a 265 hp Lumina. He's always talked about how fast that Lumina was and how his Fiero will be the same or better, he's made claims his Fiero can't back up. Yet he gets on guys like Cali Kid for making claims, just because they have V8's and he has a vendetta against them. Bow down to the almighty Lumina with its heads that outflow any others in the universe! . I should just be like Aaron and start quoting 285 rwhp in my Fiero because my Camaro had that much, and I'll eventually have that engine in there. It doesn't matter if its not in there running yet, does it? Someone needs to call Aaron on his bullshit, because this room is really starting to stink.
I don't have a $200 engine swap, I have $10000 into one of them so far, and $3000 into the other. Both of these lists growing fast....
I can post a link to that thread if you'd like as well. What I don't understand, is that if you have 10,000 dollars into your swap, why aren't you done yet, and why can't you afford quality work?
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ditch Member
Posts: 3780 From: Brookston, IN Registered: Mar 2003
I believe his estimate is in crank HP, not WHP. Also, consider the claimed $10,000 already invested in this motor and the payout is pretty sad...or hilarious to people like myself.
To top it off, the damn thing still isn't running. As he once said, the hardest part of a swap is collecting all the parts. I guess he's doing his best to prove that point LOL
And yes, he really does want to get banned from here. He won't admit it, but it is obvious he always has been and still is trying to "look cool" in the eyes of the members at RFT. Over at RFT, he talks so much crap about Pennocks members you could fill a book with it. The funniest part is that the RFT members think he's as much of a tool as those here do. Heck, he was even banned from that place for a short time.
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Good job in turning it red. You're so important! . Wonder why I said "at least for now"? I knew calling out Aaron on his hypocrisy would get me red from his "supporters". Don't you have a roof scoop or something you should be making functional, instead of arguing here?
dont worry tinton...no red commin from over here
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Who cares if he used to have a 265 hp Lumina. He's always talked about how fast that Lumina was and how his Fiero will be the same or better, he's made claims his Fiero can't back up. Yet he gets on guys like Cali Kid for making claims, just because they have V8's and he has a vendetta against them. Bow down to the almighty Lumina with its heads that outflow any others in the universe! . I should just be like Aaron and start quoting 285 rwhp in my Fiero because my Camaro had that much, and I'll eventually have that engine in there. It doesn't matter if its not in there running yet, does it? Someone needs to call Aaron on his bullshit, because this room is really starting to stink.
Tinton; I'm not exactly what you would call an Aaron supporter, all I was trying to do was clarify a point. I agree with the bull-hit and the hypocricy. A while ago he sugjested that we race, of course when I called his bluff he was backpedalling so hard that I thought he was going to fall over backwards. If you want to see the exchange check out the thread titled 4.9? flame war? Joe
Originally posted by Tinton: I knew calling out Aaron on his hypocrisy would get me red from his "supporters". Don't you have a roof scoop or something you should be making functional, instead of arguing here?
lol, aaron supporters?? Do I have to wear a button? Not sure I accept that title...
I have 2 roof scoops to make functional, and a clutch problem to fix, and a timing gear to replace... but luckily enough for me I am talented enough to both surf the forum AND deal with my projects... Thanks for checking up on me though!!
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F-I-E-R-O Member
Posts: 8410 From: Endwell, NY Registered: Jan 2005
Anyways, no point ina rguing with those to ignorant and naive to eithe rknow, or investigate before they flame. You all consolidate the 6+ DOHCs I own/owned into a single one it seems.
By the way, my 88GT 3.4 DOHC runs, I fired it for the first time tonight. Previous owner had forgotten/messed up the 12v feed to DIS. Added that, bypassed fuel pump relayed, and it fired up. Runs fine, idles fine, sounds awesome, just needs finishing and a couple issues worked out. But it ran, Steven heard it.
Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: so now that it' running take it to a dyno and see how much WHP it makes. You know, so no one can call you a bullsh!t benchracer .
When did I benchrace it? It is very little more than a stock 91-93 DOHC. I'd expect between 160-200, and if it's between there, great. If not then it has a problem, and I'd be able to tell that. I really don't care how much this motor makes though, it wasn't built to dyno or 1/4mi, it was built to be a daily driver without pissing me off like the 2.8 does.
Originally posted by AaronZ34: When did I benchrace it?
Every time you open your mouth and spew about this that and the other in regards to your 10,000 dollar 3.4 TDC swap. On pennocks or RFT. ------------------ HARDCORE SBC CRONIE AND PROUD OF IT ! GOT TQ ?
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Gokart Mozart Member
Posts: 12143 From: Metro Detroit Registered: Mar 2003
Nodoubt , Aaron has his haters, which is unfortunate becuase every now and then he does bring good info to the table. It's just too bad you have to dodge insults, and name calling to get to it.
Nobody has seen receipts, and I doubt highly he really spent that much. It's probably more like bragging, "Hey look at me, look at how much I have/spent". Don't forget I think the black 88 gt he was bosting about was owned and funded by "daddy" ..."I think". At least it sure did look that way.
On the flip side... nobody has seen dyno slips either. We all know that particular motor can make that kinda power, and I am a big supporter of big breathing engines. But as to if aaron has built such a beast has remains unproven.
Just like every other piece on information on the net, consider the source.
Just a side note here , Aaron has never attacked me, just people I know on the W-body site. I fully expect with these comments, he will shoot a few remarks my way.
Boil it down: He's knows a lot... but acts like a insulting snob.
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Originally posted by Formula88: There's very little copper in pennies. It's copper plated zinc, and it's only 2.5% copper. I do believe it costs more than 1 cent to make a penny, but that's manufacturing costs, not raw materials.
*new pennies.
Old pennies <1984(?) are 95% copper or therebouts.
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Posts: 2322 From: Colorado Springs, CO Registered: Oct 2004
Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: Every time you open your mouth and spew about this that and the other in regards to your 10,000 dollar 3.4 TDC swap. On pennocks or RFT.
Again you're consolidating all of my 3.4s into one. I have nearly 10 grand into my black 88GT and its proposed DOHC swap.
I have just over $2600 into this car, that is including the purchase of a drivable good condition 88GT 5-speed, with a DOHC motor, Spec Stage III clutch, most every gasket changed, custom tuning, $200 engine mounts, etc. My goal was to have it come in under $3,000, and I have $400 to spend on intake and exhaust. I should be well below the budget on this car. The engine is rated at 200/200, is it that hard to believe that it won't make 160 in a Fiero? Whatever, I don't even care. I won't be modding it further, and as far as I'm concerned, it is an 88Gt the way it was meant to be.
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
I know, I should've at least macthed MTA and used 8 dimes, and used them on like the intake manifold, that way when they fail, they don't just get stuck in front of the radiator but they instead get pulled into my engine.
Furthermore, who the f*ck are you to tell me where I can and can't post?
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
aaron, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for reading it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
This guy hit the nail right on the head.
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intlcutlass Member
Posts: 1431 From: Cleveland,Oh.44067 Registered: Nov 2002
Remember, in addition to MTA's shoddy and humorous attempts at engineering he was also the guy who ripped off multiple forum members for hundreds of dollars in non-existent '88 hubs. Claiming to be 'cool' like him is more of an insult to yourself than anything else.
on his 265 hp remark. Aaron, post a dyno proving yourself. For all you know, its probably making 165 hp.
. Wonder why I said "at least for now"? I knew calling out Aaron on his hypocrisy would get me red from his "supporters". Don't you have a roof scoop or something you should be making functional, instead of arguing here?
Thanks for checking up on me though!!
who cares about the build.
