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Lambo Doors, are they gonna become the norm? by blackrams
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http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2?id=20060306161009990001

It won't be long before Lambo Doors are the norm for all cars if this keeps up. Naw, I'm probably wrong again.


Updated:2006-03-06 16:16:41
On the Upswing
By CHRIS WOODYARD, USA TODAY

CORONA, Calif. — There's something about swinging your car door skyward like a jackknife blade that announces you've arrived.


At least arrived in the sense that you're making the latest cutting-edge auto fashion statement.


Along with big wheels and blaring stereos, car customizers are finding that upward-swinging doors are the latest must-have.


For those whose "ultimate accomplishment is to have a dream car," adding the door feature "definitely adds to the 'eye candy' of the vehicle," says Cory Nastazio, a BMX rider whose silver Mercedes S500 is equipped with the high-profile doors.


The new fad has spawned companies such as Vertical Doors, started by some buddies who say they saw the trend emerging. The founders say that the 3-year-old business, located in an industrial park here east of Los Angeles, is on track for sales of $6 million this year. Several competitors are vying for auto enthusiasts, as well.


All receive their inspiration from the front-hinged, upward-lifting doors of the Lamborghini sports car. They call them Lambo doors.


But making the doors swing upward in other brands of cars involves some tricky engineering.


In the case of Vertical Doors, the challenge started with Samir Rai's 1997 Acura Integra. He was looking for an edge at car shows and was inspired by upward doors.


"I said, 'If a Lamborghini can do it, I'm sure a regular car can do it,' " Rai says. He and two friends in the auto-customizing business, Rob Baum and Paul Anderegg, created a simple hinge that allows the door to be pushed out a few inches, then upward. With another customizer friend, Louis Connole, Vertical Doors was born.


Connole says the business, financed without bank debt, has been consistently profitable. It has 22 employees, including draftsmen who design the hinges and machinists who make them. The firm is shipping anywhere from 500 to 800 kits a month to car dealers, body shops and individuals.


The kits consist of the hinges and a gas-filled shock that acts like a spring to make heavy doors easy to open or close. The company now has them for more than 100 models. They retail from $1,399 to $6,500 -- the higher-priced units going to luxury cars, which can be more complicated -- and generally cost another $500 to $2,000 to have installed.


Because the units bolt on, cars can be reversed back to hinged standard side-swinging doors, Connole says. "You would never know the difference," he says.


Some installations are difficult, he says, such as those for recent-model Cadillac Escalade SUVs. Installers need to cut away the existing door hinge. He recommends against trying to install the doors in new-model Ford F-150 pickups.


At the same time, Connole says new applications are becoming available. For instance, he says the doors have caught the attention of limousine builders.

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They are also proving popular in Hollywood. George Barris, the customizer who created the famous show cars for TV's Batman and The Munsters of the late 1960s, came to Vertical Doors when he was working on a new Pontiac GTO last year.


"Everyone gets a big kick out of it," says Barris, 80, about the upward-swinging doors.


Vertical Doors worked non-stop for nearly three days to design and install its hinges on a Lincoln Navigator owned by Shaquille O'Neal of the NBA's Miami Heat. Why the rush? Shaq wanted it done in time to be able to show off the SUV at a Friday night game.


"It looks really hot," says Albert Pineda, who owns Da Shop, a customizing business that claims O'Neal and other celebrities as clients. He came to Vertical Doors for the equipment. O'Neal liked the doors on the Navigator so much that he asked Pineda to have them installed on his Mercedes CLK 500, as well.


For now, Connole says Vertical Doors' challenge is to create as many applications for different vehicles as possible. It's also trying to fend off the competition with its patents. The company filed a patent-infringement lawsuit against five rivals last September. Vertical Doors' lawyer, Neal Cohen, says the defendants who have responded deny the allegations.


One of them is KW Automotive North America in Sanger, Calif., which is owned by a German parent. Business is booming. "We can't make applications fast enough," says managing director Glenn Cox, adding that he can't comment on the lawsuit.


Another competitor -- one not named in the lawsuit - is Wing Doors, a San Diego firm that says its door swings even higher, up to 90 degrees. It also offers a $1,300 automated power unit. "Business is doubling every two months," says general manager Nicole Ross.


KW's Cox says the doors passed German crash testing. Wing Doors and Vertical Doors haven't conducted the tests yet, but officials at both companies say they'll hold up.


There can be a downside to the tilting doors. BMXer Nastazio says his fiancée didn't like driving the Mercedes because it can be harder to get in or out of the car, and "she gets too much attention."


Customizer Pineda worries that some brands might sag or fall out of adjustment under heavy use.


Die-hard car enthusiasts, however, aren't put off. Dora Andrews, 24, a licensed vocational nurse from Loma Linda, Calif., says she needs Lambo doors to compete at shows in her new Honda Civic.


"It's noticeable when you do car shows," she says. "Not every car has them, so when you do, it's a plus."

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Originally posted by blackrams:
It won't be long before Lambo Doors are the norm for all cars if this keeps up. Naw, I'm probably wrong again.

Die-hard car enthusiasts, however, aren't put off. Dora Andrews, 24, a licensed vocational nurse from Loma Linda, Calif., says she needs Lambo doors to compete at shows in her new Honda Civic.

"It's noticeable when you do car shows," she says. "Not every car has them, so when you do, it's a plus."


It's true that, "not every car has them" at various car shows I attend. However, if you don't, chances are you'll loose. It can be said that "just because they are selling like hotcakes, doesn't mean that it'll look good on all applications." Case in point...SUV's.

Example:

On the other hand, The Fiero is IMO perhaps the "Best looking application" due to it's original style and because "in the minds of most people, the Fiero draws a blank." However, once the major car companies jump on board, it's my guess that the party is offically over.

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I sure hope they don't take over...
They're no more practical than normal doors, even less so in most cases. And in all honesty, I think they look pretty wierd.
Have you tried to get in and out of a Fiero with lambo doors? There's even less space than a normal Fiero. If you're tall and have back problems, your car becomes purly a driveway decoration.

What would I have, given the choice?
Well, I'm working on an idea for my future Fiero project. On a two seater car like the Fiero, the absolute most practical way for the doors to open would be for them to slide backward, taking a portion of the roof (the t-tops) with it. You can then get out nice and easily.
Normal doors and the scissor ones require you to nearly fall out of the Fiero and crawl up the side. Not what I want.
Trouble is I don't really want the thing to look like a minivan.
Still working on that...

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Just a fad.. it will stop when everyone has one or can just bolt on.

I bet front opening doors will be next.. maybe combined with vertical lift. Then what's next?

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Like this? Peugeot 1007 comes with dual sliding doors, both electrically operated...

 
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Well, I'm working on an idea for my future Fiero project. On a two seater car like the Fiero, the absolute most practical way for the doors to open would be for them to slide backward, taking a portion of the roof (the t-tops) with it. You can then get out nice and easily.

Still working on that...

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Originally posted by yellowstone:

Like this? Peugeou 1007 comes with dual sliding doors, both electrically operated...


I wish this became the norm then door dings would be a thing of the past. Of course, Fieros don't get door dings so we would never notice.

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This is just my opinion, so I hope no one takes it the wrong way.
If your door has to open out any, before you start the verticle lift to open, then you do not have "LAMBO DOORS"
That may just be me though...

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Originally posted by yellowstone:

Like this? Peugeou 1007 comes with dual sliding doors, both electrically operated...


The idea is the same, yes.
That is a somewhat unattractive example, but think how bad lambo doors would look on that Peugeot and the sliding door suddenly doesnt seem to terrible
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Also, I think electricly operated sliding doors is a little on the dumb side. Can you imagine what would happen if your battery died? Also, the doors are quite slow to operate, which will quickly become annoying.

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If they are like the electric slide doors on my 2003 Venture van, they can still be opened manually. Mine are not too slow. Quicker then it would take to open a door a little, then lift it up out of the way.

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Like this? Peugeot 1007 comes with dual sliding doors, both electrically operated...


Geezs. That's the kind of "door" system you'll need when you're approaching 70 yrs old. Does it come with a "pot-a-potie"? "I've driven my car and I can't get out."

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I love lambo doors, I'm not gonna lie. But then again, I don't really want to spend $2,000 on door hinges... However, I don't see this as becoming something larger than it is. It won't leave the custom-auto world, because they're just that, custom. Do you really want doors like this on your Honda Accord you drive back and forth to work? They're only really effective for show, they serve no real purpose other than looking cool as hell, but that's good enough for me. I'm content with them staying about as popular as they are now. In fact, I may even buy a Decah kit and throw it on this winter, but we'll see.
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I wouldn't mind seeing sliding doors become the norm, especially since people around me think that the proper way to stop a swinging door is to let it smash into the car next to you.

I like Lambo doors (or "sissor" doors, or VDC doors, or "out then up doors", or whaddeva ya wanna call 'em)

But I like 'em on "Lambo-y" lookin' vehicles. VDC doors on a big truck or a car with metal around the window looks a bit goofy, imo.

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You obviously have never tried to park a car in a European city and get out of it in one piece :-)

If you had you'd know how great these doors are. I wish our Smart car had them

We need to know how to parallel park, too...

 
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Geezs. That's the kind of "door" system you'll need when you're approaching 70 yrs old. Does it come with a "pot-a-potie"? "I've driven my car and I can't get out."

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that is actually someone trying to make them "butterfly doors"

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Originally posted by yellowstone:

You obviously have never tried to park a car in a European city and get out of it in one piece :-)

If you had you'd know how great these doors are. I wish our Smart car had them

We need to know how to parallel park, too...


Yep. You're right. I've never parked a car in Europe but I've been over there in a cab, hehe. But getting back to the topic. That type of "door" system is common in the states and is found in the most horendous forms of vehicals know to man is....a minvan. Granted, if that style of door becomes exceptable it would no doubt start with a Cadillac, Lecrosse, or any other car that is concidered....old people cars. But if does become popular please.....

The idea of an reverse lambo door (I Robot Audi car) IMO would be more "hip'r and cool'r vs. the minivan style.

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Well, now that we know of Madcurl's sucidial tendencies, .
I'm not particularly fond of Lambo style doors, but I do agree that if you want to go home from the show with the trophy. The general public thinks they are really trick and they will definately get votes for your ride.

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Okay, the Mazda RX-9 concept isn't that bad, hehe. However, the Fords refl3x concept doors are better.

Edit: I forgot the link to the Ford's refl3x concept. I dosen't picture the suicide reverse doors. However, it's in the Motor Trend March 2006 mag pg 73. The Mazda RX-9 is on pg 60.http://www.motortrend.com/autoshows/coverage/detroit/11 2_2006_detroit_auto_show_coverage/ford_reflex_concept.html

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I agree that there not true lambo doors if they dont just open straight up. Im one to follow some fads, but thankfully I didnt this one. If you like them do it, if you dont...dont. The best ones ive seen are made for corvettes that open like normal doors for everyday use, then just swing up for shows. Every one Ive seen is really shakey. None are as solid as lambos. Im waiting for one to fail and drop a door and do some serious damage to another car or kill someone. I put on doors in my body shop and I can tell you a car door IS HEAVY. I wouldnt want to drop one on my legs from 4 feet up.
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Once everyone has them, they will cease to be 'cool', and no one will want them.
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Im waiting for one to fail and drop a door and do some serious damage to another car or kill someone. I put on doors in my body shop and I can tell you a car door IS HEAVY. I wouldnt want to drop one on my legs from 4 feet up.

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Once everyone has them, they will cease to be 'cool', and no one will want them.

Maybe, but some things have been "must haves" on show cars since the 50s and they are still cool, such as chopped top, smoothed trim, big chrome wheels, etc. I see vertical lift doors becoming a "must have" for show cars, but I don't see every car rolling down the highway with them.

By the way, my body guy is trying to talk me into a set for #14...I told him maybe on the next one, but I'm ready to get this one done.

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Dont worry, you dont see many custom vans and mini trucks anymore Well i guess they have been around now for over thirty years. I think the first Countach came out around 1973 or 1974
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Fads? Remember the Ferrari Testarossa and when everybody had to have those "fins"? The "fins" where seen on nearly every car and truck after-market products. Althought it's been "play'd" you stil can see some of the effects or it's evolution.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-1990-BLACK-TESTAROSSA-ALL-SERVICE-DONE_W0QQitemZ4620952628QQcategoryZ6212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I'm still waiting on a kit for these....

Dihedral-syncro-helix actuation doors is the proper term for them.

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The sooner the lambo door kit is for sale the better
the price here is $3500 just for the hinges

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They were cool when only a few cars had them now they are just blending in.

The thing most of the cars that have them are newer built cars and not trashed out with age yet.

The day will come that it will be cool if you did not convert then and they will offer kits to convert them back if you have trashed you door hardware.

Every thing has its day and something new will replace it.

Some goof in California will make it cool to weld the doors shut and climb out the window like the Duke boys in 5 years and many will follow. [Ha HA]

How many here still have ugly floresent green thriple wipers with a matching yellow coiled radio antenna. All trends die good or bad. in this case the loss of the wipers was a good thing.

My kid has a Dr Suess book called the Sneeches. One gets a star on his belly the others all want one till they all have them and the one with out a star starts a new trend and they all want the star removed.

Says a lot about society.

The real trick has always been build something today that 30-40 years from now that will still look good and not dated. It can be done but it is a hard thing to do.

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the price here is $3500 just for the hinges

Actually, I think that's the whole point whether it's Lambo hinges or any other option. It's cool and desired as long as it's out of reach to the average Joe. What keeps it out of reach is $$$$. Once the price drops, it's looked at for practicability, ease of installation, etc..... That's when we'll see if it stays popular.

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Originally posted by Silicoan86:

I'm still waiting on a kit for these....

Dihedral-syncro-helix actuation doors is the proper term for them.

hmmmm... i'd like to see those hinges, never seen those kind before..

would be easy to make though

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