I've heard that the Fiero was in the same class as the 308 Ferrari and I was wondering how close their preformances were? Could anyone give me credible information to see how close they were? Thanks.
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What do you mean by same 'class' ? There almost identical size, both are mid engine with transaxle. Thats about it. Price is a lot different , performance stock is a lot different between both...duhhh. Real 308s depending on years, vary from around 200 hp, to up closer to 300 before going to the 355 body. The 328 is just a later, updated version of the 308 that filled the gap between those 2. My 308 kit with turbocharged 3.1 generally outran real 308s. I raced 2 or 3.
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Enterra-BC Member
Posts: 115 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2003
Well some fieros ARE ferrari 308s :P well sort of. Heres what I've come up with.
Drivetrain
The heart of the 308 series was its three litre V8 engine. The 2926cc Ferrari V8 was something of a departure for the company, which had mostly relied on V12s. With the V8, Ferrari could offer much of the power of their legendary V12s while improving fuel economy and saving space. By placing the engine and transmission transversely Ferrari was able to reduce the length of their new sports cars and concentrate the mass within the wheelbase, a lesson of racing.
The transmission in the 308 was a five speed with reverse all synchromesh unit. Mounted transversely like the engine, the transmission received power through an unassisted single plate clutch. The gears sent power to the rear wheels through a limited slip differential and solid driveshafts with constant velocity joints.
General Information Price: $34,000 (1982) Miles Per Gallon: 16/24 mpg Curb Weight: 3305 lbs Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
handle, brake and accelerate an early 308. That is not saying much, because the Early 308's were nothing but a name. Kinda like roller skate Porsche. They had a nice name, but could be outrun buy a hopped up Civic.
------------------ 85GT 5spd ,93 Eldorado 4.9 Dual O2 Custom Chip, Archie Clutch. Custom Exhaust. MSD Everything 245/50/16's Cant wait for Dyno Time and Track Results. Not Your Average 4.9 Capt Fiero Com --- My Over View Cadero Pics Delta Cam and Allante Intake Soon.
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Mark A. Klein Member
Posts: 608 From: Pleasantville IA Registered: Aug 2002
Well, my friend was a GM engineer for the Fiero. He helped design the 88 front suspension. He claims GM bought a 308 for test comparisons. Their job as a team of engineers, was to make the 88 outhandle the 308. He claims they were quite effective in this accomplishment. The best test was going around a very rough corner, fast. The 308 would beat a 84 - 87 Fiero. But not the 88. He lives in Ankeny Iowa as far as I know. Jim Heise ishis name. He had some good stories about GM....
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PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
Hornet, if you're gonna do drugs, spend the extra money and get the good stuff .... and share it with whoever told you that anything GM will ever make is in the same class as ferrari .....
B4 people start getting the tar and feathers, let me add that i love my fiero but anytime anyone wants to trade a real 308 for it, just give me 10 seconds advance notice to get the keys out of my pocket .....
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Posts: 8410 From: Endwell, NY Registered: Jan 2005
The love and warmth here will allow me to shut off my furnace for the whole winter!
Lesson number one Hornet, do a little more research before posting questions like this so that you have a little info to back you up when you ask it. Lesson number two, everybody asks something that gets this kind of response at least once- don't worry though, there are only two or three members that won't drag this thread out of the past and haunt you with it. Feel free to give all those who are making fun of you a neg, we gots to keep the riff-raff outta here!
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PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001
Well, OK .... I'll also trade for Archie's 328 replica with the V-8 in it, but the CA smog-people will get chest pains when they open the engine hatch though .........
Unless you've changed the interior, which there is a kit for, the exterior difference is the side window glass near the rear vent.
I have an 85 Fiero with a 328 body kit perfectly detailed with all the right badges and it has a 3800 SC series 1 engine, Rockcrawl chip, automatic 4 speed O/D tramsmission and K&N CRX intake - it may not be a real Ferrari but it will out perform a stock 328 no problem. The car looks and sounds like a Ferrari and it fools just about everybody. The best part is that it doen't cost me an arm and a leg to operate it, repair it, and insure it.
Summary: Unless you have all kinds of money - the real Ferrari is for you. If you're like most us on this form - the Fiero and what you can do with it is the car of choice.
Not looking for a flame war - just my opinion.
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Deabionni Member
Posts: 4088 From: Kalkaska, MI Registered: Mar 2004
The Ferrari's windshield has slightly more curve to it, and it also has split side windows. (The side windows are always a dead giveaway on the kit cars).
My kit was full of real parts, and sometimes even fooled newer salesmen at the local Ferrari dealership. It was pretty easy to make the side split windows as far as looks. I originally just put a thin molding down the glass that made it look like 2 separate pieces, but both rolled down 'together'. The one thing that I heard most comments from at shows was that the wheels were real so it must not be a kit . Most kits use Compmotive Wheels or AREs that only resemble real. I used to have some fun when some people made comments like they knew it all.... Like this is a kit because. ... a/ its so much smaller than a real one (actually dimensions vary by fractions of and inch), or b/ its fiberglass (real ones were originally also fiberglass).
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handle, brake and accelerate an early 308. That is not saying much, because the Early 308's were nothing but a name. Kinda like roller skate Porsche. They had a nice name, but could be outrun buy a hopped up Civic.
And there are some hopped up Camaros and Firebirds that would eat any Ferrari alive. Your point? Ferraris have no aftermarket....I know there are some Civics that would out-run an Enzo. Stock vs. modified is no comparison, Stock vs. Stock is. Rice-boys like to point out how their little turbo'ed 4-banger can beat my Camaro, well no duh . I slap a turbo on my LS1, then who's going to win? My point = Fiero > 308 > stock Civic. And for all of those who say they would give a body part for a real 308, I disagree. It would be a maintenance nightmare. And, IMO, a '88 GT looks a lot better than a 308. Why pay so much more for a Ferrari badge that also gives you less performance and less reliability? If anything I'd be looking out for a BMW M1. That car is pure sex on wheels, 300 hp, mid-engine, fiberglass on a spaceframe, its rare as hell, and it has BMW reliability.
And there are some hopped up Camaros and Firebirds that would eat any Ferrari alive. Your point? Ferraris have no aftermarket....I know there are some Civics that would out-run an Enzo. Stock vs. modified is no comparison, Stock vs. Stock is. Rice-boys like to point out how their little turbo'ed 4-banger can beat my Camaro, well no duh . I slap a turbo on my LS1, then who's going to win? My point = Fiero > 308 > stock Civic. And for all of those who say they would give a body part for a real 308, I disagree. It would be a maintenance nightmare. And, IMO, a '88 GT looks a lot better than a 308. Why pay so much more for a Ferrari badge that also gives you less performance and less reliability? If anything I'd be looking out for a BMW M1. That car is pure sex on wheels, 300 hp, mid-engine, fiberglass on a spaceframe, its rare as hell, and it has BMW reliability.
Can someone please pull the stick outta his butt for him. Yesh
------------------ 85GT 5spd ,93 Eldorado 4.9 Dual O2 Custom Chip, Archie Clutch. Custom Exhaust. MSD Everything 245/50/16's Cant wait for Dyno Time and Track Results. Not Your Average 4.9 Capt Fiero Com --- My Over View Cadero Pics Delta Cam and Allante Intake Soon.
Can someone please pull the stick outta his butt for him. Yesh
Haha that's a good one because you have a green bar you're allowed to post insulting remarks? Yeah I love the freedom of speech here, I think I'll hold back though because I don't have the luxury you do.
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Posts: 365 From: Igloo, Toque, Canada Registered: Nov 2005
Haha that's a good one because you have a green bar you're allowed to post insulting remarks? Yeah I love the freedom of speech here, I think I'll hold back though because I don't have the luxury you do.
I posted what I posted becuase your reply to my post came across as both snide and rude.
For the record stock vs stock 85GT vs early low hp 308's the Fiero would win. I made the Civic joke in jest if you did not clearly see that.
SO which is the Fiero and which is the real Ferrari?
Hmm.... If a lawyer is chasing it, then that's the fake one, hehe.
It's a lovely emulation though isn't it, in some respects I prefer it to the real 308. The deeper dish compomotives give a more muscular look.
I like it
BTW, it belongs to a guy called Simon here in the UK, I'm not sure if he posts here but if he does and see's this ......thanks Simon for the photo of your loverly car
And to be honest, as long as my car is comfortably quick it really doesn't have to set any land speed records, it's nice to plod along and enjoy the experience of the car and the sound of the V6 and that can be done without abusing it, they are all old now and spares aren't so easy to get hold of over here so I will always be kind to my Fiero.
And there are some hopped up Camaros and Firebirds that would eat any Ferrari alive. Your point? Ferraris have no aftermarket....I know there are some Civics that would out-run an Enzo. Stock vs. modified is no comparison, Stock vs. Stock is. Rice-boys like to point out how their little turbo'ed 4-banger can beat my Camaro, well no duh . I slap a turbo on my LS1, then who's going to win? My point = Fiero > 308 > stock Civic. And for all of those who say they would give a body part for a real 308, I disagree. It would be a maintenance nightmare. And, IMO, a '88 GT looks a lot better than a 308. Why pay so much more for a Ferrari badge that also gives you less performance and less reliability? If anything I'd be looking out for a BMW M1. That car is pure sex on wheels, 300 hp, mid-engine, fiberglass on a spaceframe, its rare as hell, and it has BMW reliability.
I think he was refering to a stock 85 GT. And I am sorry I didn't post that site at the first, I didn't have time. Also, I kinda like to see what people think even though I know the facts, and no, I'm not on drugs, just on Fieros!
P.S. its fun to see people put their feet in their mouthes, but good news, none of you did.
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, performance stock is a lot different between both...duhhh. Real 308s depending on years, vary from around 200 hp, to up closer to 300 before going to the 355 body. The 328 is just a later, updated version of the 308 that filled the gap between those 2. My 308 kit with turbocharged 3.1 generally outran real 308s. I raced 2 or 3.
. I slap a turbo on my LS1, then who's going to win? My point = Fiero > 308 > stock Civic. And for all of those who say they would give a body part for a real 308, I disagree. It would be a maintenance nightmare. And, IMO, a '88 GT looks a lot better than a 308. Why pay so much more for a Ferrari badge that also gives you less performance and less reliability? If anything I'd be looking out for a BMW M1. That car is pure sex on wheels, 300 hp, mid-engine, fiberglass on a spaceframe, its rare as hell, and it has BMW reliability.
