I need to see which wheels are out there that are 17" 5x100mm and come in both 7" and 8" wide.

I've been to TireRack and tires.com and a few others

Please share any other trusted wheel sites. Thanks

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[This message has been edited by fourpoint9 (edited 05-05-2005).]

You should look at some of the pics at various Fiero car show for a general view of whats out there.
Most usually have 17's by now and is common. A 215/45/17 front and a 235/45/17 for the rear is the basic size for many. Some prefer to staggered the rims for a better look and feel using a 17/18 combo.

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I run 17x7 up front and 17x8 in the rear with Konig rims. I have Monsoons, but they are not made anymore. I would bet they still make both sizes in other rims.

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[This message has been edited by Matt Hawkins (edited 05-05-2005).]

Not easy looking for that combination, specially once you find the rims you like. 17's almost always come with 17x7 a few with 17x8 but not the rims I like. Go to 18's and you'll have more sizes to choose from. That's my 2 cents worth anyway. Good luck, I hope you find what you're looking for. Let us know what you ended up with. Pictures, Pictures, Pictures...........................

[This message has been edited by kooljess (edited 05-05-2005).]

There are several fairly lightweight wheel alternatives available in a 5x100 bolt pattern. For example the Motegi Trak Lite is available in a 17x7 that weighs just 14 lbs; 17x8 is just 14.5 lbs; 19x7.5 is only 18 lbs. See:
http://www.motegiracing.com/wheels/details.asp?parent=50&whe elid=51&name=TRAK_LITE%20Flat%20Black&style=2388&desc=

A seller on ebay is marketing sets of 17x7 these wheels for less than $940.00 including shipping. See: http://motors.search.ebay.com/trak-lite_W0QQfromZR8QQsaspiZ2QQsamcmZ6000

Team Dynamics has the Pro Race 1 available in 17x7 (about 16 lbs); 17x7.5 (about 18 lbs); and 17x8 (about 20 lbs). This wheel is available in several offsets from +23 to +48. The 17x8 can be purchased for about $800 per set... less for the narrower wheels. See: http://www.teamdynamicsusa.com/ Click on "wheel ranges" and then, click on Pro Race 1.

The Rota Slipstream is available in a 17x7 (or maybe that's 17x7.5) and 17x8.5 (about 21 lbs.). However this wheel is only available in a +45mm offset. Probably about the same price as the Team Dynamics wheels. See: http://www.rotawheels.com/slipstream.htm

The Borbet (type E) and the Mille Miglia Spyder are both nice looking wheels, but are heavier than those listed above. I think I have a set of used Spyders in 17x7 and 17x7.5.

Only problem with 18's is that unless you want to go to a larger overall diameter you will need to go to a very low profile, especially if you want the wider tires.

I opted for a set of Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 wheels -- 17x8 in the rear and 17x7 in the front. While not as light as the Motegi Trak Lite wheels, they are available in various offsets, are much lighter than most of the wheels that the typical Fiero owner uses, and are reasonably priced.

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FierOmar

[This message has been edited by FierOmar (edited 05-05-2005).]

Several different models of Mille Miglia wheels come in 17x7 and 17x8. Go to www.tirerack.com
If you don't mind 18s, check out the TSW Rib at Discount tire. www.tires.com

I'm sure there are others.

Tire Rack, ASA AR1's with Kumho tires, shiped to my door in good time and they bent over backwards to fix a shipping error. I would deal with them again in a heart beat.

17x7-38mm with 215-45

17x8-35mm with 255-45

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[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 05-05-2005).]

Try www.tiretrends.com ,they are in BC but I believe they work both sides of the border. They have an excellent rep here in Canada. There's a forum on site to ask your question as well.

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Tire Rack, ASA AR1's with Kumho tires, shiped to my door in good time and they bent over backwards to fix a shipping error. I would deal with them again in a heart beat. [FRONT] 17x7-38mm with 215-45 [REAR] 17x8-35mm with 255-45

... and nice looking wheels too. Don't know the weight of these particular wheels, but as I recall ASA does have some lighter weight models. Are they the Kumho MX tires?

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FierOmar

quote Originally posted by FierOmar: ... and nice looking wheels too. Don't know the weight of these particular wheels, but as I recall ASA does have some lighter weight models. Are they the Kumho MX tires?

Yes they are the ECSTA MX

[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 05-05-2005).]

quote Originally posted by FierOmar: There are several fairly lightweight wheel alternatives available in a 5x100 bolt pattern. For example the Motegi Trak Lite is available in a 17x7 that weighs just 14 lbs; 17x8 is just 14.5 lbs; 19x7.5 is only 18 lbs. See: http://www.motegiracing.com/wheels/details.asp?parent=50&whe elid=51&name=TRAK_LITE%20Flat%20Black&style=2388&desc= A seller on ebay is marketing sets of 17x7 these wheels for less than $940.00 including shipping. See: http://motors.search.ebay.com/trak-lite_W0QQfromZR8QQsaspiZ2QQsamcmZ6000 Team Dynamics has the Pro Race 1 available in 17x7 (about 16 lbs); 17x7.5 (about 18 lbs); and 17x8 (about 20 lbs). This wheel is available in several offsets from +23 to +48. The 17x8 can be purchased for about $800 per set... less for the narrower wheels. See: http://www.teamdynamicsusa.com/ Click on "wheel ranges" and then, click on Pro Race 1. The Rota Slipstream is available in a 17x7 (or maybe that's 17x7.5) and 17x8.5 (about 21 lbs.). However this wheel is only available in a +45mm offset. Probably about the same price as the Team Dynamics wheels. See: http://www.rotawheels.com/slipstream.htm The Borbet (type E) and the Mille Miglia Spyder are both nice looking wheels, but are heavier than those listed above. I think I have a set of used Spyders in 17x7 and 17x7.5. Only problem with 18's is that unless you want to go to a larger overall diameter you will need to go to a very low profile, especially if you want the wider tires. I opted for a set of Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 wheels -- 17x8 in the rear and 17x7 in the front. While not as light as the Motegi Trak Lite wheels, they are available in various offsets, are much lighter than most of the wheels that the typical Fiero owner uses, and are reasonably priced.

FierOmar,

I like the Motegi Trak Lite and their LC5 Teflon® Black http://www.motegiracing.com My car will be Orange, and I think wheels that are all Black would look good.

Which tires did you choose?

quote Originally posted by fourpoint9: FierOmar, I like the Motegi Trak Lite and their LC5 Teflon® Black http://www.motegiracing.com My car will be Orange, and I think wheels that are all Black would look good. Which tires did you choose?

Haven't settled on a tire yet. The rims were originally bought for a track car, an 88 Fiero which will have a 4.9 in front of a 4 spd (or maybe an Isuzu 5 spd) and which will be used in NASA's TT series. Then I got a bargain on some 16" Toyo RA-1 competition tires, so I decided to use these rims on my street 88 GT (will run 3.4 with 5 speed). Probably go with Kumho MX, Hankook R-S2, or Falken RT-615 (the new Azenis). These are all fairly sticky tires street tires that will not wear as long as some other tires, but longevity is not a big issue for me.

I am assuming that you are running a 4.9, but don't know what trans you have. Nevertheless, Rickady probably has very close to what you will want; 215/45 in front and 255/45 in rear. I might consider a 215/45 front, 245/45 rear combo, but that should not be a significant difference. Both the 245 and 255 are nearly 26" in diameter, but that is probably a good thing with an engine like the 4.9 (low rpm-high torque).

Check out these lines: Kumho MX: http://www.kumhousa.com/Products/PtnDetails.asp?mainCatID=1&PtnID=KU-15

Hankook R-S2: http://www.hankooktireusa.com/pdf/uploads/Z212.pdf

Falken RT-615:
http://www.falkentire.com/615micro.htm

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FierOmar

I was thinking about some 17 x 7s, with 40mm offset.

What's the widest tire that will fit with stock '86 suspension? I want the front and back to be the same size. I think the limiting factor will be the rear springs.

I went with the 255-45-17's because they are the exact outside diam that the 4T65E used in the donor car. My speedo is correct. This car is an 88 and no mods were needed to fit the wheels. The pre 88's will need coilvers for wheels this size in the rear.

IMHO 40mm offset in the rear with a 7" wide rim will set to far inside the wheel well. And the rear of a pre 88 has clearance issuse with the spring anyway so why tuck the wheels in more than stock?

I have a 4.9 with the Isuzu 5speed, '87 coupe.
I am putting on InTrax lowering springs (they are full size), Koni shocks and struts, and all poly bushings.
What will I need for offset in the rear for 17"x8"

[This message has been edited by fourpoint9 (edited 05-06-2005).]

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: IMHO 40mm offset in the rear with a 7" wide rim will set to far inside the wheel well. And the rear of a pre 88 has clearance issuse with the spring anyway so why tuck the wheels in more than stock?

Edit: the wheels I'm looking at are 38mm offset. What is the stock offset?

[This message has been edited by pollock (edited 05-06-2005).]

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I went with the 255-45-17's because they are the exact outside diam that the 4T65E used in the donor car. My speedo is correct. This car is an 88 and no mods were needed to fit the wheels. The pre 88's will need coilvers for wheels this size in the rear.

I thought that might be the reason you picked those tires. By my calculations, a car with an Isuzu 5 speed will be going just about 79 mph at 2500 rpm. Theoretical top speed would be about 166 @ 5250 rpm. With 245/40 in the rear, the same car would go 76 mph @ 2500 rpm and theoretical top speed would be about 160 @ 5250 rpm.

The 245/40 is approved for an 8" wide rim and is about 3/10" off the diameter of the original 215/60/15 tires. The 255/40 /17 would be a near perfect match diameter wise (e.g. 25.1"). However, Kumho recommends that the 255/40/15 be mounted on a minimum 8.5" wide rim.

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: IMHO 40mm offset in the rear with a 7" wide rim will set to far inside the wheel well. And the rear of a pre 88 has clearance issuse with the spring anyway so why tuck the wheels in more than stock?

As opposed to any other rim with a +35mm offset, the rim (both inside and outside) would be 5mm further inboard. Now if you use an 8" wide rim with +35mm offset, the inside of the rim would be a full 1/2" (or about 13mm) further inboard... the outside would be further outboard by the same amount. Thus, in theory, the outside of my +25mm offset 8" wide rims would be further outboard by about 23mm or slightly less than 1". The inside of that same rim would be about 3mm further inboard. In other words, they should not rub at all... at least not on the inside.

There have been some other threads on the forum in which various owners have stated their rim sizes and offsets, etc. Those responses may provide some additional insight.

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FierOmar

quote Originally posted by kooljess: Not easy looking for that combination, specially once you find the rims you like. 17's almost always come with 17x7 a few with 17x8 but not the rims I like. Go to 18's and you'll have more sizes to choose from. That's my 2 cents worth anyway. Good luck, I hope you find what you're looking for. Let us know what you ended up with. Pictures, Pictures, Pictures...........................

It may have to be 18s in the rear. Here is one choice I found on BigWheels.Net. Do you think 40 offset will work with my InTrax springs? 35 offset would be better? Will it be better for handling to have the 17/18 combo?

Motegi DPK Hyper Black Wheels
Size: 17x7
Finish: Hyper Black
Bolt Pattern: 5x100
Offset: 42

Toyo T1-S Tires
Size: 215/45ZR17
Rating: Max Performance

Toyo T1-S Tires
Size: 245/35ZR18
Rating: Max Performance

Motegi DPK Hyper Black Wheels
Size: 18x8
Finish: Hyper Black
Bolt Pattern: 5x100
Offset: 40

There are so many variables that contribute to handling that it would be difficult to attribute good vs. bad handling to wheels/tires alone. However, as a general proposition, it should not be necessary to use a 17 & 18 combination. In fact, I would be reluctant to run 35 series tires on the street... very short sidewall.

As far as wheels and tires go, it is probably more important to go with a wider tire in the rear than it is to use a taller tire. Try to balance the front-rear width as nearly as possible to the overall balance of the car. Thus, if the rear wheels are carrying 10-15% more weight, the rear tires should be 10-15% wider.

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FierOmar

Thank you for your input FierOmar. I will stick with !7X7 front and 17X8 rear.
Just hard finding the right looking wheels that are both widths.
I have found a few choices, but not sure if I like the looks of them.

here's one:

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I went with the 255-45-17's because they are the exact outside diam that the 4T65E used in the donor car. My speedo is correct. This car is an 88 and no mods were needed to fit the wheels. The pre 88's will need coilvers for wheels this size in the rear. IMHO 40mm offset in the rear with a 7" wide rim will set to far inside the wheel well. And the rear of a pre 88 has clearance issuse with the spring anyway so why tuck the wheels in more than stock?

Do you have experience trying to fit those wheels on an early car?
I would think that 17x8-35's ought to fit without coil overs just fine. I have coil overs, but I'm running 16x8-25's with 255/50-16's and have an inch to the body of the strut. Even if these would hit the spring perch, a smaller diameter tire wouldn't.

quote Originally posted by Will: Do you have experience trying to fit those wheels on an early car? I would think that 17x8-35's ought to fit without coil overs just fine. I have coil overs, but I'm running 16x8-25's with 255/50-16's and have an inch to the body of the strut. Even if these would hit the spring perch, a smaller diameter tire wouldn't.

Will: With the 16xx8 25's [assuming you mean +25mm offset], does the wheel and/or tire extend beyond the fender?

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FierOmar

Just a tiny bit. It just tucks inside the fender with suspension compression. It looks pretty boss IMNSHO. It's just a little bit further out that Rickady's in his pictures.
Wheels are from a Grand Prix... say 1991ish.
Yes, 25mm offset.

How about this?:
Front Sportmax 050 Wheels 17X7 38 Offset Kumho ECSTA MX Tires 225/45ZR17 Size (mm): 225x634
Rear Sportmax 050 Wheels 17X8 38 Offset Kumho ECSTA MX Tires 255/40ZR17 Size (mm): 255x636

OEM Tire Size: 185 75 14 633.22 mm

I guess if you're having trouble finding wheels in 7 & 8 inch widths, it would be even harder to find them in 6.5 & 8 inch widths...
With 8" wheels and 255's on the rear, proper tire stagger would be 6.5" wheels and 205 tires on the front...

If you're really into performance, you could keep 16's up front for the reduced MOI and lower overall height, which improves aerodynamics...

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quote Originally posted by Will: Do you have experience trying to fit those wheels on an early car? I would think that 17x8-35's ought to fit without coil overs just fine. I have coil overs, but I'm running 16x8-25's with 255/50-16's and have an inch to the body of the strut. Even if these would hit the spring perch, a smaller diameter tire wouldn't.

No I have not put them on a pre88, but from all the threads on the subject saying they wont fit without coilovers? I do not want to say they fit, then somebody shells out $2,000 for wheels that wont fit? I am just playing it safe.
But I do know sobdy that has 18x9's on the rear of his 88. they are cool. He did put on coilovers but I dont know if they are needed for the wheels?