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FIERO CRASH TEST RESULTS!! SAFEST NON AIRBAG VEHICLE EVER TESTED BY NHSTA by netpro55
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Year/Make/Model: indicates the year, make, and model that the crash test applies to even though a different vehivle may have been the actual vehicle used for the crash test. (Example: A 1990 Geo Prizm and a 1990 Toyota Corolla are twins and therefore share the same crash test results.) If you do not see the vehicle you are looking for, it may not have been tested or only its twin is listed.

Doors: 2Dr = 2 Door; 4Dr = 4 Door; CV = Convertible; HB = Hatchback; MPV = Multiple Purpose Vehicle; PU = Pick-Up Truck; Sd = Sedan; SUV = Sports Utility Vehicle; Van = Van; Wa = Station Wagon; Xcb = Xtended Cab.

Weight: is the weight in lbs. of the vehicle tested.

Driver and Passenger columns rate the crash tests by"stars" as follows:

Frontal Impacts only (Differs from Side Impacts)
5 stars (*****) = 10% or less chance of serious injury.
4 stars (****) = 11% to 20% chance of serious injury.
3 stars (***) = 21% to 35% chance of serious injury.
2 stars (**) = 36% to 45% chance of serious injury.
1 star (*) = 46% or greater chance of serious injury.
N/A (N/A) = incomplete or missing data.

Side Impacts only (Differs from Side Impacts)
5 stars (*****) = 5% or less chance of serious injury.
4 stars (****) = 6% to 10% chance of serious injury.
3 stars (***) = 11% to 20% chance of serious injury.
2 stars (**) = 21% to 25% chance of serious injury.
1 star (*) = 26% or greater chance of serious injury.
N/A (N/A) = incomplete or missing data.

A serious injury is considered to be one requiring immediate hospitalization and may be life threatening. These stat ratings become meaningless if you do not use the restraint systems in your vehicle including the seat belts. See note at bottom of page which provides links to the original test data and briefly describes vehicle test procedures and the importance of vehicle weight.


The Results below are listed in the following left to right order: (F=Frontal impact; S=Side impact)
(All impacts are measured in the front seats except passenger side impacts which are measured in the rear seat.)
Year--- |Make and Model |Doors| Weight | Driver (F) Pass | Driver (S) Pass |

1984-1988 Pontiac Fiero-------- 2Dr- 3000 (*****) (*****) (n/a)

Note: In the frontal crash tests the vehicles were crash tested into an immovable object at 35 miles per hour. The "Star" ratings show the relative safety of the above vehicles if they were to become involved in this type of a collision. Quite often however accidents involve one vehicle running into another vehicle. For these types of collisions the relative weight of the vehicles is also significant. If two vehicles with the same "Star" rating crash into each other head on, but one vehicle weighs twice as much as the other, the occupants of the lighter vehicle are eight times more likely to be killed then the occupants of the heavier vehicle. If you choose to be in a lighter vehicle, this should give you even more reason to choose a vehicle with a 5 star rating over a vehicle with a 1 or 2 star rating.

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Good info. after reading it...I guess I'm dead if I hit another car going 35mph too and weights more than 2800Ibs.

Thats it! i'm selling my Fieros.

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dunno about how a choptop affets that rating - but you only have a <10% chance of serious injury
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I know the fiero was rated 5 stars and is relatively safe compared to other small cars, but you have to take the crash test results with a grain of salt.

Realize that there are an infinite number of ways that a car might crash in the real world, the tests only test a few specific type impacts. The designers know this and design the cars to survive the crash tests.

When they first started doing offset frontal impacts all cars did miserably, and a few years later all cars did great. The designers changed the cars to survive the offset impact. Maybe that makes the car better overall, maybe not.

The same is now happening with the side impact. The crash a barrier such that it smashes right into the dummy's head. If the car doesn't have side curtain aribags the dummy will suffer an impact that would be fatal in a human. The non-side airbag cars can't pass that test, so all cars will soon have side curtain airbags.

This probably does make the car safer overall, but there are still an infinite number of ways the car can crash that are not protected.

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Report this Post04-21-2005 02:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusThugSend a Private Message to TaurusThugDirect Link to This Post
as long as it doesnt flip your ok.... but the roof is WEAK.

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quote
Originally posted by TaurusThug:

as long as it doesnt flip your ok.... but the roof is WEAK.

compared to what? have you seen how muhc metal is in the fieros roof pillars compared to your average car?

looks strong

this one got dragged by the semi

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Originally posted by Kohburn:


compared to what? have you seen how muhc metal is in the fieros roof pillars compared to your average car?

looks strong

this one got dragged by the semi

Also, the shorter distance between front and rear pillars add strength.

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^^^^^^^
Keep in mind that the Fiero under the trailer was a T-Top car, not a solid or sunroof car. There was no metal from the top corner of the A-Piller to the rear.

-FieroLinks

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I have been to the junk yard with fiero rollovers and they look good to me.
Just allot of fiber and plastic damage. I got a wing off another fiero that was rolled
five times and the wing was still good. Allot of damage but no broken glass. Note:
some blood was on the dash but she said she did not have the seatbelt on. The fiero
is a safe car to me just my looking at damage in the junk yards. I feel safer in my fiero
then in most cars.

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Originally posted by FieroLinks:

^^^^^^^
Keep in mind that the Fiero under the trailer was a T-Top car, not a solid or sunroof car. There was no metal from the top corner of the A-Piller to the rear.

-FieroLinks


True about that incident. That speaks for the down force of the semi also. In general, my statement is true.

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Originally posted by madcurl:

Good info. after reading it...I guess I'm dead if I hit another car going 35mph too and weights more than 2800Ibs.

Thats it! i'm selling my Fieros.

Great!... I have a nice Sunfire that I'll swap you for it.

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Originally posted by Kohburn:


compared to what? have you seen how muhc metal is in the fieros roof pillars compared to your average car?


looks strong

this one got dragged by the semi


This guy had to think he was able to go under the truck because of the height of the fiero..... I always wondered if a fiero could clear under a truck........This proves my theory and attempt in actually trying it.

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a choptop top might be able to ..and even a lowerd choptop most likely could
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Prove it.


calling doctor madcurl.

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:

This guy had to think he was able to go under the truck because of the height of the fiero..... I always wondered if a fiero could clear under a truck........This proves my theory and attempt in actually trying it.


I believe that was chesters old car. pm him, he will give you accident details.

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Report this Post04-21-2005 10:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for wiccantoySend a Private Message to wiccantoyDirect Link to This Post
if you want to find out how strong the roof of a fiero is i have a spare gt parts car and a fiat loader we can lift the car and roll it. i know how well they hold up . the pic of the fiero was a t-top and wasnt trying to go under that rig. it was a freak accident in the rain . and the car held up quite well . sadly it was a really nice car .

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Originally posted by Carswell...Wellscar:

..and even a lowerd choptop most likely could

i honestly plan on trying it someday. ive come pretty close..

(and yes, im nuts.)

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Originally posted by MiZer:

I believe that was chesters old car. pm him, he will give you accident details.



Mizer's correct, that was Chester/Elvira's old car coming back from the Daytona show a couple of years back.
Got next to the truck during a pass on the freeway and hydroplaned right under it...................
Dragged for quite some distance before the trucker pulled over.
Makes you wonder about life!
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When we got rid of this car they lifted it with a chain through the inside. When they set it back down there was only a little damage to the fiberglass where the chain pushed into. I would say thats strong.

Edit: Mind you it's lighter then normal without the pannels and such.. but it still had engine and tranny and fuel tank with gas.

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Report this Post04-22-2005 09:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zMacKSend a Private Message to zMacKDirect Link to This Post
The weak spot of a fiero is the windshield pillers.
I would take a head on with a brick wall, over a full size suv or semi.
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I just had a long conversation with someone about this. They kept referencing back saying that this crash test was conducted under 1984 crash test standards and that today's tests are far far stricter and if the Fiero was crash tested today under the 2005 standards if would fail.

How do I respond to that one? It makes some sense if you compare today's crash test to one 20 years ago.

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Originally posted by black Fiero SE:

I just had a long conversation with someone about this. They kept referencing back saying that this crash test was conducted under 1984 crash test standards and that today's tests are far far stricter and if the Fiero was crash tested today under the 2005 standards if would fail.

How do I respond to that one? It makes some sense if you compare today's crash test to one 20 years ago.


If you read my post above I would have to agree that the Fiero was designed to survive the 1984 crash test standards. Today no car without mutiple airbags would pass today's crash tests.


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Ok, now Im going to have to start a folder just for cool crash/burn pictures of fieros. But god an 88 Formula T-top, that almost made me cry, was it repairable?? (guys this is where you tell the story about how the cat/gerbil/dog ran away, ya know to save my feelings)
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any more pics anyone of crushed crashed and survival fieros
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