quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Dont sic Greenpeace on me but heres a question. If lots of oil WE can use is in Alaskas wilderness, who really cares how much we drill it up......its wilderness !!!!!! No one is there. I know LOTS of people and I dont know a single one who has run to Alaska to see the ' wilderness '. As a wilderness, what is any benefit ??? no trees to produce oxygen, not cost effective if there was many trees to ship it anywhere else. Its SNOW. If we need more snow, just find a way to store what we get here in the states......LOL. Id gladly donate all that falls on my property to anyone who wants it that bad. 5,000 oil wells spread out on the snow (where no one is) is no more damaging to the pretty ' view ' than all the electric generator windmills in the plains and everyone is fine with them.

2 reasons - 1> its our "ace in the hole" 2> workers cost alot more in the states - especially to work in alaska.

we still have lots of oil in texas too, but even in the friendlier climate, its barely competitive. when we get spikes like we have had for the last year, texas smiles. their oil becomes competitive. fear not. our children will be able to enjoy the pleasures of driving.

tho, I do wish the gov't would TAX gas some more. but, I know this is a VERY unpopular.....

quote Originally posted by 87GTSleeper: I'm just glad my car doesn't run on bottled water. That'd be like $5 or more a gallon.

well, yeah, but we ARE running out of water.

Well, this is interesting.

Apparently there was a provision in the law which set aside the ANWR to allow for oil drilling.

Anyway, there's something like 10-18 billion barrels of light, sweet crude up there.

The US currently consumes something like 20 billion barrels of oil per year. People who are against drilling in ANWR like to say that ANWR only has enough oil to supply the US for six months--well, yes, if we stopped using oil from any other source and used only the oil in ANWR, yes, it would only last six months. But that's physically and economically impossible.

The oil is easily available and will drive down the price of crude, which is the whole reason for doing it.

Ed

I agree completely with everything DRA said in his first post. And here's a tidbit of proof: http://www.geotimes.org/mar03/NN_canada.html . Do a google search on Alberta Sands and see what you come up with. The Alberta sands is a humungous oil field that has enough oil to sustain the US alone for the next 400 years according to some esimates. The problem is that it's contained in sand and clay and mining it is expensive. But they are working on ways to more efficiently separate the crude from the sand. In the last year there was a major innovation in mining there which will make Canadian crude competitive with OPEC crude right about the time when gas hits $2.50 a gallon. So I wouldn't worry about 1) gas prices going up much higher and 2) running out of crude. It's not gonna happen in our lifetimes. Folks... drive what ever you can afford, the gas isn't going anywhere.

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85GT 5.0LCaddyV8/Isuzu 5-spd in progress...

I remember reading somewhere that the 2001 F150 SVT Lightning got something like 19mpg, but when driven hard, it was calculated to get something like 4 mpg.

My slightly modified 2.8 gets about 20, probably closer to 15 with hard driving. The next project will be a 3.4 DOHC just because of the mileage I've read about.

In fact just this past weekend, I was watching Horsepower TV. They were installing dual 4 barrel carbs on a Roadrunner (I think it was) and I was thinking to myself, "That's freakin' crazy!!! Gas is supposed be $3.00/gallon by summer!!!"

I guess if you got the money to burn, more power to ya'

Heres to destroying the earth! I am no economist I pay my share for gas and drive like im going somewhere but I AM environmently concious. I would like to see some action in bringing down the cost of fuel and upping the driving expierence. Im OK with high power cars but not with everyone having one. My solution keep the cars cut the drivers less drivers would make for lower fuel costs due to less consumption and and better drivers with more strict and indepth testing. Get rid of the noobs and filter out the geriactricts and not only will there be room to use 400hp, but the chances of someone whose yackin on the phone pulling out in front of you with there brickwall of an SUV will be diminished. If this were to take place I would be glad to have an LT1 sitting behind me. Think of the possibilities of what I just mentioned and tell me we wouldnt improve on driving conditions. We drive excitement and should keep it that way but others are taking it away and that bothers me. This post took 40minutes to write I had to make sure I knew what I was saying so treat it with respect. We as humans are a pretty undeveloped culture as war and consumption are more abundent than peace and preservation. But I love everybody anyways regardless.

money grows on trees the economy isn't doing bad! $3 isn't nothing lol. Honestly then when gas goes up price of other things will go up cause you know truckers aren't making money shipping products.

4 mpg on the lightning when driven hard, did you type that correctly!!??

Here is an interesting map.

quote Originally posted by LoW_KeY: 4 mpg on the lightning when driven hard, did you type that correctly!!??

It was a couple years back, but yeah, that number stuck in my head...

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: Driving my 87 GT with a five speed on the highway, I could nudge 30+ mpg. My 3.4 nudges 28+ on the highway. Since I usually go for long trips I want the high milage more than burning tires. While gas is now $2+/gallon, I'm whishing for even better economy.

$2+ a gallon ? Ahh the good old days I think I can vaguely remember when it was that cheap. Try a normal price of nearly $ 3.80 a US gallon. Good thing my 2.8 gets an average of 26 MPG.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Here is an interesting map.

Ever since the 80's, people have been saying we are going to run out of crude REAL soon. I suppose these are the same people who keep sending me those e-mails warning me about these new 'puter viruses that'll kill everything from my system to my front lawn.

Estimates put peak production somewhere around 2060 or 2070. But the truth is, as we develope the technology to burn fiuel more efficiently, this curve will be moved out and out...

No, it's not a lack of crude oil that's driving prices up, it's the capacity to procees the crude.

A few years back, I was out driving around on my lunch. I thought to myself, "I need to fill up" (@ $0.90/gallon) but figured I could wait till after work. So after work I go to fill up... Low and behold, prices jumped up to $1.40/gallon in those few hours.

From what I was able to gather, the oil companies realized they were processing too much, which was driving the price down, so they cut production and the prices went right up.

quote Originally posted by fourfoot23: Ever since the 80's, people have been saying we are going to run out of crude REAL soon. I suppose these are the same people who keep sending me those e-mails warning me about these new 'puter viruses that'll kill everything from my system to my front lawn.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but they've actually been saying that since the SIXTIES.

There's a theory that crude oil is the byproduct of extremeophile bacteria that live deep in the Earth's crust. There was an oil field in Switzerland(?) which had been run dry, but after a decade or two had passed, they found that fresh oil had accumulated in it.

In any event, best guess is that we will run out of the cheap and easily accessible oil eventually. When that happens, two things will occur: we will begin to exploit the not-so-easily exploited reserves, and we will start to get serious about building vehicles which either use little fuel, or no fuel (ie electric).

Heck, there's enough oil in shale deposits to last the US for a century at least. Oil has to be at least $30 per barrel for extracting it to be economical.

In some respects, the US is unintentionally doing a VERY SMART THING by not exploiting its remaining oil resources. When oil hits $100 per barrel, or more, if that stuff is still there, we are going to make a KILLING...

Ed

quote Originally posted by GT: The Alberta sands is a humungous oil field that has enough oil to sustain the US alone for the next 400 years according to some esimates. The problem is that it's contained in sand and clay and mining it is expensive. But they are working on ways to more efficiently separate the crude from the sand.

My brother works up there for Syncrude. He's shown be some of the videos of the new technologies they're using to extract the oil from the sands... way cool stuff, and is expected to yank bazillions of bucks worth out of the now useless goo!

quote Originally posted by The Poopsmith: Heres to destroying the earth! I am no economist I pay my share for gas and drive like im going somewhere but I AM environmently concious. I would like to see some action in bringing down the cost of fuel and upping the driving expierence. Im OK with high power cars but not with everyone having one. My solution keep the cars cut the drivers less drivers would make for lower fuel costs due to less consumption and and better drivers with more strict and indepth testing. Get rid of the noobs and filter out the geriactricts and not only will there be room to use 400hp, but the chances of someone whose yackin on the phone pulling out in front of you with there brickwall of an SUV will be diminished. If this were to take place I would be glad to have an LT1 sitting behind me. Think of the possibilities of what I just mentioned and tell me we wouldnt improve on driving conditions. We drive excitement and should keep it that way but others are taking it away and that bothers me. This post took 40minutes to write I had to make sure I knew what I was saying so treat it with respect. We as humans are a pretty undeveloped culture as war and consumption are more abundent than peace and preservation. But I love everybody anyways regardless.

Instead of save the earth, the slogan should be save the human race. No flame intended and we all know what opinions are like but the earth will be here far beyond the human race. Someone asked where my numbers come from as far as available crude resources, it's just my opinion. I've been around awhile and worked for some of the bigger companies in the world, not just the united states, I've seen my share of politics and I've done things to modify quarterly statements that make enron look like a bunch of nuns. Supply and demand are great theories in the classroom but in the real world things are a little more complicated. If you look at the cost of fuel compared to other commodities it actually has not risen at the rate that everything else has (the bottled water thing is a good example, and there is no shortage of water, maybe drinkable water but that is easily rectified). Just ranting, I'm really not against smart moves such as replanting, lowering emmisions, conservation in general, but just get kinda tired of the extremeist who think WE are killing the earth.
Screw the whales, save the people (at least some of them) LOL

Another case of beer almost gone, I need to learn to conserve!

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I hate to advocate weird chemicals, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone... but they've always worked for me.

Originally posted by The Poopsmith:
Im OK with high power cars but not with everyone having one.

So who dictates who has what? What makes you so sure you'd get one?

Get rid of the noobs and filter out the geriactricts and .

Then who will drive in the future? You just supply an age and cut them off? Or you make sure they can't pass a test then you revoke their license?

Think of the possibilities of what I just mentioned and tell me we wouldnt improve on driving conditions.

I can think of many, many things to improve existance on this earth.. Doesn't mean they are feasible/logical/ethical.

We drive excitement and should keep it that way but others are taking it away and that bothers me.

Ad campaign slogans are very odd to use in an argument

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quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Ad campaign slogans are very odd to use in an argument

where's the beef?

Had enough. This summer I'm starting to swap my V8 & V6 for 4 cyls

quote Originally posted by Alex4mula: Had enough. This summer I'm starting to swap my V8 & V6 for 4 cyls

why stop there http://www.enginewholesalers.com go 3 cylinder!

quote Originally posted by LoW_KeY: why stop there http://www.enginewholesalers.com go 3 cylinder!

Why stop there, cut out the floor board and go Flintstones with it............

I am making about 470hp and got 28mpg on a 4 hr drive, stopping at toll booths and rest areas, with a lot of luggage in my car. I'm sure that with a better tune and true highway driving, I can easily pass 30mpg. That's the beauty of a turbocharged car -- you can drive around town and you use just as much fuel as you would naturally aspirated!

You know what I feel better having been givin some facts on how our oil supply is doing I thank you to all who have shared your info with me and others here I think I know where I want to go with my car now and that makes me happy. And for all you that think im stupid for bringing my points and this discussion up........well you all can just bite me. Peace

quote Originally posted by edhering: Well, this is interesting. Apparently there was a provision in the law which set aside the ANWR to allow for oil drilling. Anyway, there's something like 10-18 billion barrels of light, sweet crude up there. The US currently consumes something like 20 billion barrels of oil per year. People who are against drilling in ANWR like to say that ANWR only has enough oil to supply the US for six months--well, yes, if we stopped using oil from any other source and used only the oil in ANWR, yes, it would only last six months. But that's physically and economically impossible. The oil is easily available and will drive down the price of crude, which is the whole reason for doing it. Ed

people who support drilling in ANWAR like saying that it will lower oil prices ..ahuh...sure. The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that it would have little or no impact on oil imports.
With BP, Exxon, Chevron, and Phillips being the ones most likely to be drilling, I can just see the spills coming

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quote Originally posted by dozol: i guess i need a tune up, i didn't do anything to is since last winter. well not from every stop...lol but seriously what do u guys suggest. spring is coming and i was going to do something, spend some $ on it (maybe around 500) what should i do, tune up one thing, any other thoughts?? thanks

Dozol: When you do your tuneup go ahead and replace your coil, pickup coil (inside distributor) and ECM...then add a couple of new ground wires directly from the engine to the battery. From other forum members and my experience, you'll be impressed w/ the difference in HP.

Frank

Well this is one reason I am being cautious as to put tons of money into a gasoline vehicle. I figure I'll just get something pretty nice and fast, and drive it and keep it up until the whole fuel cell thing (or whatever) takes over. I don't see the point of dumping 15K into a car that will be undriveable in 10 years.

Personally I don't see a problem with electric cars (though I don't want one, by any means).. I see a problem with BATTERY powered cars. When we hit the January deep freeze and temperatures bounce between -20 and -40, batteries don't freakin' work very well. My truck sounds like it's on a 6-volt electrical system when I try to start it (oil gets a little thick at those temperatures too). Chemical reactions get a little slow when the temp drops and certain forms of power aren't a lot of use when it gets cold.

quote Originally posted by Shadow_Wolf: Personally I don't see a problem with electric cars (though I don't want one, by any means)..

Isn't that kind of a problem? There are a lot of people who would agree with you on that, BTW....

Ed