I just had a day of insults on my car. From the "Firebox" jokes to being slapped in the face in any and every race I've been in to date. Just today an old lady (prolly in her 40s when the camaro 1st came out in the 60s) in a 80s RS Camaro revved at me and toasted me. I'm one loss/comment/bashing away from falling into the "Fieros suck - I'm buying a ::INSERT CAR::" category. Most of the flak comes from my family. "Why'd ya buy that thing? Its so slow...how can you drive it? It could NEVER hang with my vette....lil pontiac POS..." few comments from the family. "You're car can't even hang with a Civic! Why'd you buy it? Didn't you test drive it when you went to buy it? That should've told you that it wasn't quick for **** ! Uh oh! A moped! I bet you could beat him off the line, but I bet he'll take ya top-end Ben!" My friends/co-workers comments. Then there are all the s***-eating grins I get as the rice burners/ladys in minivans/SUVS, pretty much anything other than another 4cyl fiero (and Geos.....but they're always excused because of....well...ya.) I'm gonna go hang up my punching bag that I got for my b-day (though I'm so pissed off right now, I'll probably murder it within a few minutes) Oh, and to top everything off...my cheating GF (soon 2B ex) says "You're car sucks!" all the time, and nobody loves me (except for the ex-official Fiero mascot). Seriously....what'd I do to piss everyone and anything off?! I didn't do anything wrong...I just...thought the cars looked cool. I'm gonna go kill the punching bag and cry myself to sleep now... ::GETS OFF THE SOAP BOX:: -Ben >.>
Listen, all of us have heard the jokes.. It doesn't matter what car you are driving.. you will allways have critics judging your cars.. I have an 85 Camaro RS, and I doubt it would hang with a v6 fiero, so I am taking it that you drive a 2M4.. If people are going to crack jokes saying its slow, and you want to prove them wrong.. there are many engine swaps out there that would roast a corvette anyday of the week.. Just think about it this way, one of the theories on why they stopped making the fiero was because it was getting simply to fast, and cheap. They didn't want the corvettes sales numbers to go down because of a quick cheap sports car. So just think of your car as a cheap sporty means of transportation. When you have more money, you can get some performance in, and no one will be laughing anymore.. Whos going to laugh at a car that just handed their asses to them on a silver platter? Keep living the high life, collectors will be collectors, jerks will be jerks. Live life to the fullest and dont let them get to you! Chin up, I would rather drive in our little fire infested, slow, 2 seater peices of crap then most cars on the road today! Have fun with that thing, and keep it! The more you do to it, the more it will make you happy!
Your family gives you grief because you can't win street races? Do they bag on you for buying bunk drugs and hiring ugly hookers too?
By family.. I am sure he ment brothers.. Brothers are competitive at times, they will usually always try and be better then you in some way to show their superiority. EDIT ***********************************
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YELLOWFIERO88 Member
Posts: 1329 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Registered: Nov 2004
Your family gives you grief because you can't win street races? Do they bag on you for buying bunk drugs and hiring ugly hookers too?
That is funny $h!? . But don't worry about what other people say.When i bought my yellow one every one of my friends ragged on me. They didn't see what i saw. Now 3 out of them own a fiero. with a little mods they can be really sweet. Besides who wants to be like all the other fu@&s driving a honda that they think is the greatest car in the world? Keep yo head up!
People were giving me crap about them two years BEFORE I bought mine, and anyone who's riden in it shuts up I take it you must have a 4 cylinder, so if it makes you feel better, I'll tell you about my first/only kill with my 4 cylinder auto:
I was waiting at a light in the right lane, when this car pulls up next to me, a blue mid-eighties Ford Fiesta. He starts reving his engine repeatedly, he and his friend laughing and pointing at my car. It was late and there wasn't anyone else around, so I figured what the heck. I put the car in neutral, reved it a couple times, and put it back in drive. When the light turned green, I launched the car (the Fiero's specialty) and completely embarrased him, as he was still slowly moving forward, his little engine screaming. So when I got up to around 25, I slowed down and waited for him to catch up. When he started passing me, I floored it again, with the same results. It was so funny I couldn't stop laughing, and it still makes me smile
By family.. I am sure he ment brothers.. Brothers are competitive at times, they will usually always try and be better then you in some way to show their superiority. By assuming and stating that, has gained you yet another negative.. And I assume you are an only child? Or just a messed up one.
No, actually those comments were from my bro, my mom and dad. They've all said those at some point. Of course, I can't talk s*** back to them (mom - 04 Grand Prix GTP, dad - 84 Vette)
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10:09 PM
DotTC Member
Posts: 2345 From: Hamlet, North Carolina Registered: Nov 2003
street racing is illegal anyways.. so you're getting bagged on for not being able to do something illegal. WoW... people show jealousy in many ways.. including ragging on you about something.
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tjfennel Member
Posts: 585 From: Honolulu, HI, USA Registered: May 2003
4-banger or V6? My younger brother, used to Civics and other imports, drove my car one day (stock V6) and seemed impressed at how torquey the motor was. Yes, a Civic owner (he's had 3 or 4 over his so-far short life and currently owns 2 hatchbacks) was impressed. The youngest Fiero is already quite old, but it still looks quite awesome. How many Civics can say that? The suspension is also as old as the car is, and thus, of course, won't stand up to most of the stuff that's out on the sales lots now. However there are upgrades for that. Too slow? Bigger motor/turbo/supercharger... How much did you pay for the car? $2500? less? How much did they pay for theirs? $5000? $8000? With the amount you save on the car you can upgrade it to blow them away. I just had enough to buy my car and no extra cash to buy upgrades, but the only time I've ever regretted buying it is when I look at how much needs fixing on it (just poor research on this particular car, on my part... I'm dealing with it ). If you look around the forum you'll find Fieros that can hang with Vipers and accelerate as fast as a lot of bikes.
Besides that, it still looks great. I'll say it twice
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FieroBUZZ Member
Posts: 3320 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Feb 2001
No, actually those comments were from my bro, my mom and dad. They've all said those at some point. Of course, I can't talk s*** back to them (mom - 04 Grand Prix GTP, dad - 84 Vette)
You can talk back to them... They make more money then you... So who cares? My dads got a list of 17 cars, and I dont let him say anything about my 3.. I plan on having the fiero running (3800) 400 horsepower and nitrous.. Thats my goal.. When you have goals. .you can still talk **** ..
Dad - My 84 vette can eat your little fiero.. You - Ohh ya, give me a year and I will be handing your ass to you!
A year rolls around, and the fiero wins by 2 seconds in the quarter!!!! And the crowd Scrreaaams!
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YELLOWFIERO88 Member
Posts: 1329 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Registered: Nov 2004
first comment was right you take crap for anything you drive, who cares if its not as fast as something else. You can always change that when you're ready, I took crap for my 84 fiero, didn't stop me from buying an 88 then doing what I wanted.
that's when you tell everyone to funk off and don't listen to them. You drive what you like not what everyone else does.
JUST REMIND HIM THAT THAT 84 VETTE WAS THE SLOWEST VETTE EVER MADE.
I was thinking the same thing. My Grandfather had a '88 Fiero GT 5 Speed in about 1990 or so, his co-worker had a '84 Corvette (auto of course) and always gave him crap about driving a Fiero. So one day they lined up at a light, and he had 2 cars on her by 80mph. So at the next light they went again with the same result. '84 Corvettes are rediculously slow for a Corvette, they really are a discrace to the Corvette name.
Also, remind them that your mom drives a $30k+ car, and your dads car wasn't cheap either I'm sure. If you put a few thousand into yours it would smoke the crap out of both of their cars. Just keep that in mind.
All my friends tell me the same thing about my GP STE. "Why would you want that thing?" "Its so ugly and crappy (which it isn't ugly IMO and it is mint so its not crappy), you should just sell it." So I put about $1k into the engine, and I toasted my friends '74 Z28, another friends Regal GS, another friends '02 VW Golf GTI (1.8 Turbo), another friends Mustang, and numerous other things. They shut their faces really quick.
Plus, most people do not buy cars because they are fast. They buy them because they were cheap, they look nice, they are comfortable, they are quiet, they get good gas mileage, etc...., speed is not everything.
Shawn
------------------ 1986 Black Fiero GT 2.8 4 Speed, on the way!!! 2002 40th Anniversary Grand Prix GTP 12.084 @ 114.38 w/1.743 60' The Fastest L67 W-Body w/Stock Cam! 2000 Bonneville SSEi 3.4" Pulley, 1.9 Rockers, DHP PCM 14.681 @ 94.80 w/2.299 60' 1990 Bright Red Grand Prix McLaren 3.1L Intercooled Turbo 160 T-Stat, TopGun Chip w/11.5psi Boost 14.819 @ 92.72 w/2.093 60' 1990 Dark Red Grand Prix STE McLaren 3.1L Intercooled Turbo Magnaflow Mufflers, No Cat, K&N Filter, Chip (10psi), 160 Tstat. 14.695 @ 94.49 w/2.228 60' 3100 Topend Swap, Crane H260 Cam, UD Pulley since PB. 13.957 @ 99.34, G-tech
JUST REMIND HIM THAT THAT 84 VETTE WAS THE SLOWEST VETTE EVER MADE.
Uhhhhh,,,,no, it wasn't. I own one of those as well as my 86 Fiero GT. The 84 crossfire Vette ran 15.2 quarter mile and 140 top speed completely stock. The slowest C4, yes. The slowest Corvette, not by a long shot. In fact, when it was new, it was the fastest Vette Chevy had built in over a decade. It was also the best handling vehicle, bar none, built in 1984. There are still few vehicles that can hang with it in the twisties.
Don't worry.....it's a common misconception. Now, the only mods my Vette has are a ported stock intake, 10 degrees of base timing, and a gutted cat, and it will run a low 14 second QM.....and will easily hang with an early L98.
I hear it all the time from ricers.....Ceasefire injection, etc. They frequently get their asses handed to them.....(never street race....it is illegal and dangerous ).
Now, I love both cars equally.....each for it's own reason. But the Vette will make short work of the Fiero in both the quarter mile and in the twisties.
Let's do our research a little better before we post nonsense such as the 84 being the slowest Vette ever built.
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MiZer Member
Posts: 1673 From: Chilliwack, B.C. Canada Registered: Jun 2003
I was thinking the same thing. My Grandfather had a '88 Fiero GT 5 Speed in about 1990 or so, his co-worker had a '84 Corvette (auto of course) and always gave him crap about driving a Fiero. So one day they lined up at a light, and he had 2 cars on her by 80mph. So at the next light they went again with the same result. '84 Corvettes are rediculously slow for a Corvette, they really are a discrace to the Corvette name.
Another load of dung. Read the above post.
OK, now that I feel thoroughly ashamed by hijacking the post, back to the original dilemma.
The 2M4 is slow, no doubt. But lets compare apples to apples......it wasn't that slow compared to most 4 cylinders built in the same vintage. Line up and 85 Civic and you will see the Fiero runs comparable to it.
So what to do??? Sounds like a SBC is just the ticket for your aching ego. Give Archie a call. When you're done, you will have a car that will smoke all but the most dedicated ricers like a fat one, and will still have less money in it than the forementioned fart can driving idiot.
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Uhhhhh,,,,no, it wasn't. I own one of those as well as my 86 Fiero GT. The 84 crossfire Vette ran 15.2 quarter mile and 140 top speed completely stock. The slowest C4, yes. The slowest Corvette, not by a long shot. In fact, when it was new, it was the fastest Vette Chevy had built in over a decade. It was also the best handling vehicle, bar none, built in 1984. There are still few vehicles that can hang with it in the twisties.
Got these from a Corvette website. (Looks like these are taken from different magazines) From the list the 1982 is the slowest. The 1984 and 1979 are about the same. Was the 1982 really 9.2 seconds 0-60? I know the Cross-Fire engines had some issues, But at the time they were pretty decent for power. The T/A's and Camaro's had a whopping 160-170hp and the cross-fires are around 205hp.
1979 Chevrolet Corvette 6.6 14.9 1982 Chevrolet Corvette 9.2 17.1 1984 Chevrolet Corvette 6.7 15.1 1985 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.1 1986 Chevrolet Corvette 5.8 14.4 1986 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.5 1988 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 6.0 14.6 1988 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 6.0 14.6 1989 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.7 13.1 1990 Chevrolet Corvette 5.7 14.3 1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4 12.8 1991 Chevrolet Corvette L98 5.3 13.9 1991 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster 5.6 14.1 1992 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.7 14.1 1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.6 13.9 1993 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.3 13.9 1993 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 5.2 13.6 1994 Chevrolet Corvette LT1(auto) 5.5 14.1 1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7 1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.9 13.1 1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors' 4.9 13.3 1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport 4.7 13.3
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41474 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
I don't know about all 84 Vettes, but while Homie's Fiero was down, he usta drive his dad's Vette. Seems like he got his ass handed to him on a regular basis driving that one, too. At least that's how his posts read. I suggested an X-Ram intake, but since it was dad's car I guess he couldn't.
Me? I'd be campaigning to borrow the keys to the GTP. Or just snitch the motor when they go out of town and put it in the Fiero.
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sonic50 Member
Posts: 3873 From: All over the USA Registered: Aug 2004
It is not about how fast you car can go. It is about if you love your car. I love my car and I am told off about it every day on how bad it is. But I am ok with that becouse on some of those days when you drive by a kid and he just looks at your car and thinking that is such a cool car. Last week I went to rent a movie and my brother pull in when I was leaving. He told me that there was two kids that when they saw my car leave thay said that is one of those car that go vooooom!
I love my car and if some one else dose not, I dont care.
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normsf Member
Posts: 1682 From: mishawaka, In Registered: Oct 2003
From Car & Driver: Item: [The 84 Corvette] is hands-down the fastest American automobile, capable of 140-mph top speeds, 0-to-60 times under seven seconds, and 15.2-second quarter-mile forays at 90 mph. In fact, these figures qualify the Corvette as one of the half-dozen fastest production automobiles in the entire world!
Man, a 15.2 second quarter mile puts it in the elite of the fastest production cars in the world. I forgot just how bad 1984 sucked. The 82 Vette had the same Cease-Fire Injection engine as the 84 (at least the Collector's Edition did), so I'm not sure why it was so slow. I do know some late C3 Vettes came with 305s instead of 350s, so this one may have been a 305?
Still, the slowest Vette was probably the first one - the 1953 stovebolt 6 Corvette with a powerglide automatic. But somehow, I don't think anyone who owns one is concerned with losing a race to a Honda.
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Frizlefrak Member
Posts: 2921 From: El Paso, Texas Registered: Aug 2003
Formula.....I just dug out the same article you quoted from.....excellent piece. You made an important point, and one that all our iron duke bretheren should remember...
These cars are getting old, and when making comparisons, they should be put into the context of the time they were built. The duke wasn't really slow compared to most 84-85 economy 4 cylinder vehicles. Compared to a modern 4 lunger, sure. Same goes for the Corvette. It was the fastest American production car of 1984, and was motor trend's car of the year. Certainly better things were just over the horizon, but remember that the auto industry was just becoming computerized and using EFI. The Crossfire (dual TBI) was what bridged the gap between carburetors and MPFI.
It's funny how people badmouth yesterday's machinery, when most of them either aren't old enough to remember the times when it was built, or are looking through rose colored glasses. The early 80's were not the pinnacle of performance for ANY auto maker. But most all of this early GM stuff can be made as fast as you want it......speed = $$$, how fast do you want to go?
Again, I apologize, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. It's just that when people claim the 84 was the slowest Corvette ever built, it needs to be corrected. Anyone remember the 1975 L48 Vette with it's whopping 165 hp??
Homie....don't despair buddy. Drop a 350 in your Fiero and show em all how it's done.
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The Funkmaster Member
Posts: 1541 From: Chilliwack, B.C., Canada Registered: Oct 2004
Cheer up homie. My fiero's been in the garage without an engine for about 4 months now... and I get crap from family daily for it. I still love the little thing, and I know that when it's back on the road, (another month or two!) I'll be able to beat up pretty much everything short of a viper. Performance takes time and money. But in the end, it's worth it.
What I find works well is just compare how much you spent to how much 'they' spent, and go from there. Typically our little cars cost half as much as our friends cars, and are only a second or two slower... Until they're modded of course. And that's real easy to do to our lil toys.
Steve
(oh... edit... If she's insulting your ride, make *her* drive *you* around. Then mock her little chevette or whatever she drives. That is, if she drives anything at all...)
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hate to say it, but they're right. these are slow, stupid little cars. its hard to buy a slower car. I didnt even buy mine, it was given to me. what a POS. it sat in the garage for 7 years before I touched it. got it on the road 3 years ago, and have been dumping money into it ever since. its my mid-life crisis hot rod...pathetic...
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you can't really say older cars were slower, everything in the early to mid 80's was slow if you want to compare it to the muscle car era and the new era of cars.
Show on speed vision had a stock mustang that ran 13.7 in the early 70's along with 5-7 other muscle cars that ran solid 14's and high 13's, just everything is at a HP war again, it'll die off just another fad. I mean don't get me wrong speeds good, but not every person can handle a low 14 mid 13 car, sad but the truth. Pretty much like the guy I knew 18 had his first fast car, srt4 neon and ended up rolling it. I saw him drive it a few times and the thought of came to mind.
Frizlefrak already said it you compare the fiero to cars that were made then they were descent, but when you compare them to blown/turbo/huge motors today yeah it's sad.
I take it you must have a 4 cylinder, so if it makes you feel better, I'll tell you about my first/only kill with my 4 cylinder auto:
). If you look around the forum you'll find Fieros that can hang with Vipers and accelerate as fast as a lot of bikes.
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