... I'm slightly mad!

10 years, 2 months, 3 weeks and 2 days after getting my first Fiero, an 87 GT, in Houston, TX, I picked up my second Fiero, an 88 GT, from Luxembourg today!

Now I'm officially not one of the weird, I'm one of the twisted :-)

Got the GT very cheap, hit the curb at high speed in the left front, suspension is gone there. Now I need to decide whether to rebuild or use as parts car....mmhhhhh... Votes?

Quarter windows are perfect, taillights are perfect, drip rail is perfect, seats are perfect, wing is perfect, interior is good....

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[This message has been edited by yellowstone (edited 12-30-2004).]

It doesn't look too horribly bad. I vote for fixing it up. We need to save all the 88 GT's we can..

If the frame is fine and you can do the work or have it done at a good price then save it, it looks like a clean car!

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Definitely fix it. Congrats on the find.

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You know, as beautiful as your car is - I would just use the '88 as parts unless you have a jones for an '88GT, VIN and all. When you get away from the suspension there is nothing special about the '88GT. It's interior was not as nice looking as earlier models, IMHO. I would use it to upgrade/freshion your current car's rear suspension and engine/trans sometime in the future.

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[This message has been edited by RickN (edited 12-30-2004).]

Do you have any pics of the damage?

Judging by the pics you posted, it doesn't look like it'd take a lot of work to get that Fiero road worthy again.

quote Originally posted by Deabionni: Do you have any pics of the damage? Judging by the pics you posted, it doesn't look like it'd take a lot of work to get that Fiero road worthy again.

in the pics he posted it only shows the right side. Sounds like the damage is to the drivers side.

IMO, I would fix it. But it might be very expensive for parts. Shipping to Germany would be a killer, and I'm sure there aren't many 88 parts cars around for you to pull what you need.

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quote Originally posted by KissMySSFiero: IMO, I would fix it. But it might be very expensive for parts. Shipping to Germany would be a killer, and I'm sure there aren't many 88 parts cars around for you to pull what you need.

This would be the deciding factor for me. availabilty of parts. Here in the states I would say fix it for sure.

Not much of a chance of finding a parts car (this was supposed to be the parts car...), all parts would need to come from US, at least:
- Upper control arm
- Lower control arm
- Front sway bar
- Toe end
- wheel
- Some steering parts, maybe whole rack
- who knows what else...

The car has not been driven in 1,5 years and is foreign (Luxembourg) so would need to pass a complete German technical inspection, which is tough...

quote Originally posted by slickrick2000: This would be the deciding factor for me. availabilty of parts. Here in the states I would say fix it for sure.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Not much of a chance of finding a parts car (this was supposed to be the parts car...), all parts would need to come from US, at least: - Upper control arm - Lower control arm - Front sway bar - Toe end - wheel - Some steering parts, maybe whole rack - who knows what else... The car has not been driven in 1,5 years and is foreign (Luxembourg) so would need to pass a complete German technical inspection, which is tough...

And the impact damage may have trickled back into the spaceframe also making a fix up more than just bolting on good parts.

Fix it, man...I had a LOT more damage on my 85 Gt after it was hit by a Drunk Driver...Got all my parts from Kickhill.com . ended up being about 800 bucks worth of stuff... I know you being in germany will make things tougher, but it will be worth it. That looks like a NICE GT.

Make it live again!

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Depends? If you don't mind pumping monies into it...then go for it. You can always resell it, right? If not, use it as a parts car.

Fix it! I'd say it's hard enough to find an 88 Fiero anywhere near Düsseldorf. Second thought... I'd say that finding a Fiero anywhere in Germany is hard enough.

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The damage to the 88:

Cut control arm:

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[This message has been edited by yellowstone (edited 12-31-2004).]

Save it!! Not only is it an 88 GT, but it's from Luxembourg. I would love to hear the story on that. Do they have Pontiac dealers there? Did some rich guy have it shipped over? Cool! Nice shop, too.

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Fix'er up. looks nice.

thats not too bad at all. I did similar damage to my car a few years back. The only damage I had was the upper control arm. I replaced that. Then I found the mounting tabs that the lower control arms were still bent. Not enough to make the car Undrivable, but enough to make the allignment out of spec. I drove it like this for about a year. Then installed poly all around, new ball joints, etc. I also pulled the front subframe and bent the tabs back. they were out by about 1cm. Maybe less. They bent back easily. It might be worth looking into. If you dont want two fieros, you can easily sell the 88 and make some money on it. Depending what you paid, and what it might sell for.

If your interested, I have most, if not all of the parts in my garage.
Good luck.

I've repaired much worse. I say GO FOR IT!

It doesn't look bad to me. I'd save it.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Not much of a chance of finding a parts car (this was supposed to be the parts car...), all parts would need to come from US, at least: - Upper control arm - Lower control arm - Front sway bar - Toe end - wheel - Some steering parts, maybe whole rack - who knows what else... The car has not been driven in 1,5 years and is foreign (Luxembourg) so would need to pass a complete German technical inspection, which is tough...

There is a couple hundred in parts there, another hundred or so to get them there. You can likely have it back on the road for less than $400. You seem to be fairly good at stuff from some of your postings, you should eb able to get it going. Now the inspection is another thing...

You would likely be the only guy there with TWO Fieros! You could even let your wife drive one.

God forbid! The sacrilege! :-)

quote You could even let your wife drive one.

Besides, my wife already has a Smart...

And as I don't get tired to point out, it's mid-engined, RWD, turbocharged, six speed sequential semi-automatic gearbox with a steel spaceframe and non-structural plastic body panels...

[This message has been edited by yellowstone (edited 12-31-2004).]

I like the Smart, very unique car. I have always liked cars that were differant in some way.

Every car you have is cool, is that common in Germany? Most people over here have at least one ugly Dodge 4 door or something along those lines. I do notice no pickup truck though, LOL.

The Smart roadster is a nice little and I men LITTLE car.

But I'm with the others. Try to get the parts and fix it. It doesnt look that bad.

Hi budy your pretty lucky because that was cheap pretty cheap i wanted to buy it too, but i didnt have enough room for it if i would not have six of them,and two in rebuild and hopefully on of them will be ready for the 2005 season with lot of specials to come.

But it still got one in my eyes !.

Please do not trash it for parts try to bebuild it it should be posible to get used parts over germany .
Soo i bag you make it to drive it´s a wonderfull car .

[This message has been edited by Torch-Red87 (edited 01-01-2005).]

This is my normal car, just blue:

Not many pick-up trucks over here, taxes and gas would kill you. The station wagon is Europes pick-up truck.

This was my "normal" car until it was stolen last year:

quote Originally posted by Electrathon: I like the Smart, very unique car. I have always liked cars that were differant in some way. Every car you have is cool, is that common in Germany? Most people over here have at least one ugly Dodge 4 door or something along those lines. I do notice no pickup truck though, LOL.

[This message has been edited by yellowstone (edited 01-01-2005).]

Congrats on your new Addition ! But i am going to give my opinion on it: I say fix it ! 88GT's are very highly desired cars to own and to pick up a fixer upper for cheap is a good find. BTW i have also followed your treads closely and if anyone can do it in germany, its you.
-Roy
P.S. this is for the request of more info (tranny? miles? owners? original?) thanx

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Thanks, but you give me too much credit. My talent is just deciding on the overall design direction and ponying up the money. Maybe dabbling here and there technically but I'm no mechanic... I do an office job in marketing and it shows :-)

quote BTW i have also followed your treads closely and if anyone can do it in germany, its you. -Roy

Update: The decision is taken to use the 88 as a parts car. Today the engine came out to be rebuild and put into my 87 GT.

Starting:

Working:

Hoisting:

Engine out, getting the car out of the shop. Do you like my new rear wheels?

Car after surgery:

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Removed organs:

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[This message has been edited by yellowstone (edited 01-23-2005).]

Hello Yellow!

I would have refixed the car, it's an 88 GT... but you made your choice!
Great addition so...

And here a word just to show that I speak a little bit german!
Ich werde mal probieren an eine deutsche versammlung kommen! Ist karlsruhe weit von dusseldorf??

Chris

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340km Düsseldorf to Karlsruhe... what are you doing there? Or... que fais-tu à Karlsruhe ?

quote Originally posted by DJWINNI: Hello Yellow! I would have refixed the car, it's an 88 GT... but you made your choice! Great addition so... And here a word just to show that I speak a little bit german! Ich werde mal probieren an eine deutsche versammlung kommen! Ist karlsruhe weit von dusseldorf?? Chris

Oh! 340kms! I wouldn't have thought so far away!!

I mentionned Karlsruhe because it is about 40kms from where I live in France....

[This message has been edited by DJWINNI (edited 01-23-2005).]

Look up www.map24.de for distances - very useful for all of Europe...

quote Originally posted by DJWINNI: Oh! 340kms! I wouldn't have thought so far away!! I mentionned Karlsruhe because it is about 40kms from where I leave in France....

Update!

Engine off cradle, separation surgery from tranny ongoing (the guy to the right is my uncle):

Clutch looking good:

Engine was dirty from the outside but fine on the inside:

Next week the engine is going to the machine shop, also getting new cylinder heads...

quote Originally posted by 88red4cyl: It doesn't look too horribly bad. I vote for fixing it up. We need to save all the 88 GT's we can..

That was my feeling as well.
Good luck with the parts swap.

[This message has been edited by Fiero5 (edited 02-19-2005).]

I would have killed (might still) for a fastback body style, then I see you guys saying "yeah, I have em as parts cars".. Pisses me off! Maybe I"ll buy one within the year.. Someone gimme a good deal..

You have to consider that there's not that much choice as in "which cheap Fiero do I buy" over here. I got this one cheap and it just happened to be an 88 GT...

Then there's the money issue - I couldn't afford to have the same high standard that I'd want with 2 Fieros.

And then there's space - I live in an apartment in the city and parking for the Fiero is 100 Euros (130 US$) A MONTH! No way I'm paying that twice! Any why have a nice 88 GT when I don't have it near me?

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: I would have killed (might still) for a fastback body style, then I see you guys saying "yeah, I have em as parts cars".. Pisses me off! Maybe I"ll buy one within the year.. Someone gimme a good deal..

Just a suggestion...I'd pull all the body, interior, etc...as limited as the Fiero sources for used parts over there are, you should be able to make back your investment on the parts car, and have enough left over in the long run to cover at least part of the cost of your engine rebuild.
Good luck! Someday I want to return to Germany and see the parts I was not able to during the Cold War...

No offense, but that was my plan all along... :-)

quote Originally posted by Vonov: Just a suggestion...I'd pull all the body, interior, etc...as limited as the Fiero sources for used parts over there are, you should be able to make back your investment on the parts car, and have enough left over in the long run to cover at least part of the cost of your engine rebuild. Good luck! Someday I want to return to Germany and see the parts I was not able to during the Cold War...

Swap the 88 rear cradle / rear suspension into your 87.

Strip the hell out of that car, and stock pile all the good parts.

That's what I would do if I lived in Germany.

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