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Report this Post07-26-2004 06:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for The PunisherSend a Private Message to The PunisherDirect Link to This Post
I leanred that it's an option on the 2005 Aero .

here are the pics!






Bellhousing with measurements to come


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Report this Post07-26-2004 08:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Black-Azz-GTSend a Private Message to Black-Azz-GTDirect Link to This Post
This would be a sweet swap. Just thinking the cost and time compared to the benifit would make it simply a "show" type of mod.

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Report this Post07-26-2004 08:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for donk316Send a Private Message to donk316Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by The Punisher:

Shaun Jon
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LOL! ...nice...

Whats the final drive on this tranny?

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Report this Post07-26-2004 09:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
Who manufactures it?

The service literature I've read says the FD is 3.91:1, but it's got a 0.62 6th gear. I really hope they fix 1st when they put it with the V6. 3.77 is WAY to much gear for anything with torque.

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Report this Post07-26-2004 09:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback 86Send a Private Message to Fastback 86Direct Link to This Post
Hmm, thats bolt pattern isn't TOO different. Don't think it would take much more work than sticking a FWD trans on an SBC, and Archie has proven that can be done fairly easily.
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Report this Post07-26-2004 09:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for The PunisherSend a Private Message to The PunisherDirect Link to This Post
Im taking my aluminum block 2.8 to work tomorrow to see if the two mate up. I have a rubbing of the bellhousing pattern as well.

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Report this Post07-26-2004 10:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CTFieroGT87Send a Private Message to CTFieroGT87Direct Link to This Post
Aren't these going to be rated for much more torque than our current Getrags? I'm eagerly watching this.
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Report this Post07-27-2004 04:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LoW_KeYSend a Private Message to LoW_KeYDirect Link to This Post
235 HP 235 TQ something like that.. Will was saying they'd hold 300 TQ and if they put it on the V6 motor I think 300 TQ will be no problem at all

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Report this Post07-27-2004 08:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
mmm a 6 speed fiero.. with a nice long top gear...
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Report this Post07-27-2004 02:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ToddsterSend a Private Message to ToddsterDirect Link to This Post
I'm keen to hear more. I am curius about the torque rating as well as the axle angle. It looks like this tranny has the axle closer to the engine block than the stock Getrag. Also, what size shaft does it take?
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Report this Post08-01-2004 01:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MOBILESend a Private Message to MOBILEDirect Link to This Post
Bump for curiousity!

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Report this Post08-01-2004 11:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierodogSend a Private Message to fierodogDirect Link to This Post
hmm I need to change my getrag. Keep us posted!
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Report this Post08-01-2004 11:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for lowfierogtClick Here to visit lowfierogt's HomePageSend a Private Message to lowfierogtDirect Link to This Post
that's a Suburu transmission. I was out at dock watching them get unloaded and they are WRX's with upgraded interior and upgrade susp. They have the same drive tran as WRX. They have saab badging. they are made in Japan.
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Report this Post08-01-2004 12:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for The PunisherSend a Private Message to The PunisherDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by lowfierogt:

that's a Suburu transmission. I was out at dock watching them get unloaded and they are WRX's with upgraded interior and upgrade susp. They have the same drive tran as WRX. They have saab badging. they are made in Japan.

?????????????

wow... were you smoking something down at the dock. The car you are refering to is the Saab 9-2x. It is based on the Impreza. The Saab 9-2X DOES NOT get the STi's 6spd or it's 2.5ltr 300hp engine.

Subaru's transmission look just like any other RWD cars transmission with the exception that they have 2 output shafts near the bellousing. Keep in mind Subaru isn't toting it's ""Symmetrical AWD" for no reason .

The Transmission I showed came right out of a 2004 Saab 9-3 Aero , it is a FWD car (Subaru's are AWD) The car was offered with a 6spd in the Aero and Arc versions. For 2005 it will not be a standard option , the tranny is being revamped and it will be offered as an option.

I have worked at a Subaru Dealership for the last 2 years , we also own a Saturn Saab dealership , 2 BMW dealerships , a Rover Delaership and a Jag dealership

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Report this Post08-01-2004 01:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for brian89gpClick Here to visit brian89gp's HomePageSend a Private Message to brian89gpDirect Link to This Post
I just hope that the G6 version gets an intermediate shaft.
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?????????????

Jonathan McCreery

Are you planning to mate it up to the N*?

[This message has been edited by Lex (edited 08-01-2004).]

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Report this Post08-01-2004 03:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierodogSend a Private Message to fierodogDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by The Punisher:

Im taking my aluminum block 2.8 to work tomorrow to see if the two mate up. I have a rubbing of the bellhousing pattern as well.

JM

I thought he was looking to mate a 2.8

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Report this Post08-01-2004 03:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Toddster:

I'm keen to hear more. I am curius about the torque rating as well as the axle angle. It looks like this tranny has the axle closer to the engine block than the stock Getrag. Also, what size shaft does it take?

Rest assured that the crank center to axle center is the same as on all other FWD GM cars. That distance was set over 25 years ago when GM introduced transverse FWD for economy cars. They've been stuck with it even since. Back then, no one ever considered that a FWD car would ever be a performance platform (they still don't get the idea of FWD performance), so the crank-axle distance was set for a nice compact drivetrain. As power levels rose, transmission design became harder and harder as the space for a strong transmission was limited by the spacing that had been decided on when FWD was for **** boxes and throw away cars. However, they couldn't increase that distance without redesigning the WHOLE model range. When a new chassis is designed, it has to conform to the existing powertrains. When a new powertrain is designed, it has to conform to existing chassis. So the 6 speed will have the same crank-axle distance as our tried and true HM 282's.

However, the 6 speed makes an important advancement over the HM282. The HM 282 is on 76mm input/output shaft centers, and the input shaft, output shaft, and axles are all on a straight line. By offsetting the output shaft up or down, it becomes possible to increase the shaft spacing and the strength of the transmission. The dual layshaft configuration does this naturally, as well as having a very short length.

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Report this Post08-01-2004 06:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for The PunisherSend a Private Message to The PunisherDirect Link to This Post
I was going to mate it to a 2.8 Aluminum block v6 becasue thats what Ihave on hand and it's the easiest to take to work and try. This will be mated to a northstar eventually. It's on the list of things to do. I will be mating up the aluminum 6 to the tranny on tuesday to see how close they are.

www.geocities.com/morley_m/northstar.htm

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Report this Post08-01-2004 07:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KohburnSend a Private Message to KohburnDirect Link to This Post
dear lord a nitrous injected northstar with an intended 6 speed trans swap?
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bump!
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Report this Post08-15-2004 10:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NashcoClick Here to visit Nashco's HomePageSend a Private Message to NashcoDirect Link to This Post
Anything ever happen with this?

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Report this Post08-15-2004 10:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CTFieroGT87Send a Private Message to CTFieroGT87Direct Link to This Post
bump again!!!

Very interested

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