300zx twin turbo's got around 300 horses but weighs over 3 grand, but once those turbos get spooled up it'll be a blur, they run a 14 sec 1/4 mile in stock form. however i am willing to bet that LT1 fiero will accel wayyyyy harder, who knows who would have top end. ?? anyone?
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naskie18 Member
Posts: 6258 From: Commerce Twp, MI, USA Registered: Jun 2002
I dont know but at my high school I wish i have an LS1. There were at least 5 300Zzx. I know for sure that 2 were twin turbo and they did alot of stuff to them. I dont know were they got the money for it.
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Morkidan Member
Posts: 386 From: Cincinnati, OH Registered: Oct 2003
i think it depends what kind of race it is, if its just from light to light the 300 is gonna get stomped. an LT1 in a fiero with the right tranny will have way better 60 foot times than a 300zx, it wont even compare
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California Kid Member
Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
Pretty big generalization saying ""My v8 will smoke a 300zx on a roadcourse or in a straight line""
Lets take 2 equally modded cars...how about someone with a daily driver?? fair enough? driven 9 mos of the year...
1994 nissan 300zx TT , Bought for $6500 with blown motor by 2 time Car and Driver 1 lap winner. Engine rebuilt top to bottom with STOCK parts. , Stock turbo's ported , engine balanced , ported manifolds (intake and exhaust) 3 angle valve job , boost controller , 3" exhaust, no cats , ACT clutch , upgraded front brakes.. A few suspension tweaks.
Consistantly faster than Modded Z06's 438RWHP. Runs 12's flat on street tires
You ain't beaten that...
total investment.. around $15,000 according to owner.
there is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS someone faster..comparing stock to modified is RETARDED...
V8 FIERO"S AREN"T THE BE ALL END ALL OF VEHICLES .. getting a spike of 1G on a inaccurate GTEC doesn't mean your car is a serious race car. I can spike a GTEC with GF's mini on A032R's to 1.6G's.. and at the end of the day it's not a race car.. It wil consistantly run 1.2'G's on A032R's...right off the showrrom floor..it's my girlfriends car..it isn't modded...I hope people are getting the idea.
So nieve....So sad..
and this coming from me.. a guy with tens of thousand of bucks wrapped upin a northstar project..and who has been tracking a Fiero for 10 years.
My 5spd 88GT with a 330HP LT1 has already beat on a few runs the same twin turbo 300zx. The reason it was the same Z is because he could not believe that some "little piece of plastic crap" could beat his twin turbos. The races consisted of stop light to stop light, and two runs starting at 75-80MPH. It was a waste of my time. After the runs he had a new respect for Fieros.
True enough, the question was simple and IMHO a Lt1 should stomp a 300zx tt. Slammed makes a good point though, I have seen PLENTY of posts where a high horse power car gets metioned(and I dont mean in the Xcar Vs fiero sense) and all the sudden some guy(s) fly into insecure mode and we get "My modded fiero" or worse " A modded fiero" and the very best "A fiero can perform just like a Ferrari or Porsche, for a fraction of the cost!" hmmmm, with that logic a honda civic could too but it's still a civic. The Fiero - Love it for what it is and what it is capable of, but it accept it for what it is; a car, with a short production life, targeted at the average Joe, who wanted a Covette or Ferrari, but needed somthing more pratical and affordable.
No flames intended.
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08:37 PM
Razor_Wing Member
Posts: 1753 From: Blowing Rock, NC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
LT1 Fiero BY FAR, the 300ZX TT actually is fairly fast, but I've heard of moded N/A 2.8 GT's beating them not only on the 1/4, but also on road tracks! Now top speed...I dunno....How is the LT1 geared....?
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08:52 PM
Nashco Member
Posts: 4144 From: Portland, OR Registered: Dec 2000
1994 nissan 300zx TT , Bought for $6500 with blown motor by 2 time Car and Driver 1 lap winner.
<blablabla I know everybody in the racing world and have seen everything blablabla> So nieve....So sad..
and this coming from me.. a guy with tens of thousand of bucks wrapped upin a northstar project..and who has been tracking a Fiero for 10 years.
Good day!
Yeah, but how would that same driver do with XXXXXXXX car? Of COURSE it varies with driver, tires, suspension setup, etc etc etc etc etc. I think THAT is why this thread is a waste of time in the first place, there's never any sure winner. Hell, a diesel truck could beat an italian sports car in a race if the conditions are right...who the hell cares about internet-bench-racing anyway? Not me.
Jonathan, you have seen a lot of sh|t that a lot of people haven't, but you sure as hell don't need to act like such a pr|ck to make your point. I don't believe you're the GTEC police or the engine swap police, so do you think you could ease up on the gestapo routine? I spotted about 30 typing, spelling, and grammar errors in your post, should I USE ALL CAPS AND TELL YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE?
I think 95% of us realize the Fiero isn't the numba one stunna, and we would quickly trade for a XXXX any day. Despite that, would it be ok if we pretended for a while? I don't know why you always feel obligated to be the burster of bubbles.
I, too, am going to be knee deep in a Northstar project soon. Even though I know it's not going to be the fastest thing on the track, it will still be fast and it's what I really want to do. Could you pretend like I'm not a dumbass, just for a minute, along with all of the other lighthearted guys and gals around here?
Knew someone would say it!!! LOL, knew it was in good spirit! Trick is to get a little more seat time racing, and of course know the track.
yeah i knew you'd take it the right way from me that's why i had to rib ya a lil... drop me a line and let me know how the new homestead is coming along..
I can kick all your fieros butts with my staight 6 Chevy P/U. I'll even race you only 500 feet.... see if that weight distribution helps you hole shot me!
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Nov 6th, 2003
Mr. Pat Member
Posts: 1860 From: Melbourne, VIC Australia Registered: Apr 2003
I saw a vid of Wills car apparently racing a TT300ZX, and he stomped him off the line, and the 300 never gained or lost. Wouldnt an LT1 have a better hole shot? Find me a tt300ZX and ill let you know if an LT1 will lose. And if I do, ill hit the laughing gas. Might win then. Be one hell of a race though
Quick question, LT1's top sped with 4t60E final DR of 3.33 I think? 245/40-18's. Any guestimates?
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Black-Azz-GT Member
Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
While in the florida keys, I saw LT188GT get on it leaving the Island restarant on a damp slippery road.
Even on the wet asfault, it was disgustingly fast off the line. @ about 2700lbs this car will not loos any momentem. So it would take a highly modded 300TT to put up a fight.
Black-Azz-GT I was giving a fellow Fiero owner a demo ride. We were heading back to the Kingsail Hotel and knowing that the Keys is not the place to be hot rodding, I kept it below 5000 RPM instead of taking it to 6500 which only happens on a few occasions. If I saw you, I would loved to have seen your Black-Azz-GT.
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02:40 PM
Black-Azz-GT Member
Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
Hey Slammed, I responded to a simple general question, so get off your high horse, and quite trying to find fault with everything.
Note to Formula88: You must have been reading my mind, didn't see yours until right after I posted mine.
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Im not going to get into a pissing match...but I don't see how I am on a high horse??? everytime someone asks about another sports car you post how your car is faster...doesn't matter what it is..your faster... Who's really on the high horse?? To sum it up I stated a few things
comparing a modified car to a stock one is an inaccurate comparison. you compare a car that has been built without compromise to a car that comes from the factory...where they compromise a lot of things. Smooth idle , noise , suspension harshness.. a fair comparison ..I think not.. It's like saying ""I can run faster than a 5 year old"" obviously one is at a disadvantage from the start...
The second point I made..and seemingly the one everyone missed is that there is always a car that is faster, I think making half cocked comment like ""Im faster than XYZ brand of car shows how naive some people can be, you really think no one has modified a 300zxTT to limits that far exceed a 350 fiero with some chopped springs?? please
And lastly... IT would seem as though anytime a difference of oppinion gets posted we have to get up in arms..you want to all hug and be friends and agree that the Fiero is the greatest car ever built....espically when it has a v8 ..you can beat anything. As for the comments about the GTec.. My example wasn't used to be the Gtec police..but if your going to use it to gauge your cars performance against cars in a magazine perhaps the point should be brought up of just how accurate their data collection methods are.and how inaccurate a GTEC is. Most magazines use a Vericom (sp?) and some now use satelite systems.
I know Im an As5hole..but I post what I think..sorry it doesn't coincide with what others do.
have fun..it's just a forum...and don't take anything to personally....life's too short
JM THe SBC PUNISHER!
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California Kid Member
Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Im not going to get into a pissing match...
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Real mature... Im Impressed!!!
hey kids if you can't make a valid point.. post some ghey azz pic... Don't know how to even defend your point? or even attempt to...post meaningless childish pics!!!
Good comeback...nice attempt... you sure showed me!!!
read the last paragraph in my post.. grow up there buddy
JM THe SBC PUNISHER
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Nov 7th, 2003
TheIdealSociety Member
Posts: 58 From: Austin, Minnesota, USA Registered: Nov 2003
"You can mod the crap outta a Dodge Omni, but who'd want one?"
ever seen the shelby omni? 400whp... layin 10's at the tracks... id be a proud owner of that little beast!
closest i ever had to that is my ford festiva with a turbo 1.8L escort engine doin low 12's... best feeling in the world though... having a riced out honda pull up next to you at the stoplight and rev his stock vtech up...
then smokin his ass in a 500$ car... a festiva nonetheless! must have been embarassing...
was a great car... till i hit a taurus... little thing never had a chance... whole front end was gone from a pathetic 20 mph rear ending on my behalf...
what are you guys whining about again?
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88220gt Member
Posts: 369 From: Medford,Oregon Registered: Aug 2003
ill say money on lt1, if you didnt know 300zxTT's only run 14's cuz the have poop for suspension they dont handle that well either.... the fiero is lighter and deffinatly for stable. with the lt1 stock for stock the lt1 would win from a roll thats a different story.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by TheIdealSociety: ever seen the shelby omni? 400whp... layin 10's at the tracks... id be a proud owner of that little beast!
I've seen Shelby Omnis and Shelby Charger Turbos. It would take a LOT of mods to get them to 400 HP, either at the crank or wheels, and 10's would be even harder still.
Not saying it can't be done. I've never seen one do it. Stock, they're fun little cars, but I don't care for the styling.
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Master Tuner Akimoto Member
Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
As far as comparing stock for stock it would come down to who leaves the line first, if they leave together it would be a close race with the top end going to the Z twin turbo. Now with a modified twin turbo you are talking 500 to 650Hp running 18 pounds of boost no way would a LT 1 even come close to winning and that is with the Z,now the Skyline GTR 8000 rpm redline or the Mark IV Supra turbo forget it those will devour the best GM has to offer.In stock trim these cars are born to run and although they are on the heavy side with suspension tweaking and a few mods they are virtually unbeateable.
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As far as comparing stock for stock it would come down to who leaves the line first, if they leave together it would be a close race with the top end going to the Z twin turbo. Now with a modified twin turbo you are talking 500 to 650Hp running 18 pounds of boost no way would a LT 1 even come close to winning and that is with the Z,now the Skyline GTR 8000 rpm redline or the Mark IV Supra turbo forget it those will devour the best GM has to offer.In stock trim these cars are born to run and although they are on the heavy side with suspension tweaking and a few mods they are virtually unbeateable.
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07:17 AM
Master Tuner Akimoto Member
Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
I went up against one with my old N20 87 GT dynod at 253whp I lost but not by much so I'm SURE an LT1 could hold it's own against a stock 300zx.
I LOVE 300zx's! They are one of my fave cars.
Though I wtill think a built LT1 has more potential. I know of a 55 Chevy with a TT 427 LT1 putting out over 1500hp. And it's his daily driver! I think ACDobson saw it too. I'v also seen Northstars/Arouras in hotrods putting out 500 N/A HP and heard of some sand rails putting out 2500hp (Prob not good on the street tho)
I think the Fiero is the weak link not the GM engine.
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07:48 AM
KRMFiero Member
Posts: 2711 From: Providence, RI Registered: Sep 2000
My N20 Fiero would eat up N/A 300z's all day. I never raced a turbo one though, there is a kid i know that has a turbo one with a built engine/tranny and aftermarket turbo, intercooler and other little things and N20 I been in that car and it would tear me apart ohwell, im sure a LT1 fiero would be a good race, if not just toss some N20 in the fiero and you shuold be good
I saw a vid of Wills car apparently racing a TT300ZX, and he stomped him off the line, and the 300 never gained or lost. Wouldnt an LT1 have a better hole shot? Find me a tt300ZX and ill let you know if an LT1 will lose. And if I do, ill hit the laughing gas. Might win then. Be one hell of a race though
That was a modded Z32 TT. He still had stock turbos and injectors, though.
I wasted him off the line, but I kept a steady pull all the way to the top of third. He didn't even start to stay with me until I shifted into 4th.
Prolly would be about the same with an LT1. LT1 has more torque, but more weight also.
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