I was thinking about the fiero and Club Racing (not autocross), and was wondering what class the SCCA puts our cars into?
I am interested in the v-6 cars, also, I am curious at how the SCCA looks at it when you go and do an engine swap and put something in the car that wasn't ever ment to be there.
Thanks!
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hoola47 Member
Posts: 526 From: London, Ontario, Canada Registered: Feb 2003
While I'm not too sure what class a Fiero will be in with an engine swap, I do know you can run it in SM2. As long as you can legally drive it, it can be in SM2(Street Mod. 2-seats).
I can't find my rule book...
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Xantavar Member
Posts: 1158 From: Big Rapids, MI...Ferris State Registered: Nov 2002
and it tells me that you have to be part of a club to race at GingerMan. I was going to go there sometime soon and test the fiero, but with these rules, I dont know if i'll get in. What do you all think??
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Kelvin Vivian Member
Posts: 1233 From: San Jose, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2001
Here's a pic of my parent's neighbor racing - Alan Hamilton, SCCA member and instructor. 1988 V6 Formula with 86/87 SE Aero front and rear... Stock V6 engine - he runs in the ITA class.
I believe 4-cyls run in the ITB.
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bHooper Member
Posts: 4157 From: greensboro, nc Registered: May 99
bHooper - The V6 Fiero would be in ITA. There are different weight limit depending on 85-87 and 88 models (88s have a higher minimum). All 4-cylinder models are classified the same I believe (ITB). These classes are very strict when it comes to modifications. That means none. You can blueprint what you have, but no after market mods or engine swaps. To do that you must enter one of the GT categories. I think GT1 is the only class available for the modded Fiero. You are talking about tube frame racecars at that point.
xantavar - I have run my Fiero and M3 at Gingerman before. It is a nice course. Very safe and well maintained. You don't need to be part of a club to go there. They have driving schools and lapping days all the time. It usually costs ~$135 for a day of running. That is plenty and well worth the money. The nice part is if you are a novice, they will provide an instructor to keep you from killing yourself. It can be very intimidating once you get onto the race course. Max cornering at 25-30 mph is one thing, but do that at 70-80 mph and the pucker factor increases exponetially! I usually run race tires on my M3 when I take it and you wouldn't believe what a street car can do! Let me know if you are really interested and I will forward you some links for events coming up. Just make sure your car is ready for such use. High quality brake pads, complete brake fluid flush prior to events and proper suspension alignment are musts.
I found a copy of the 2003 rule changes, and am going to go through that for a fresher. As for engine work, can you get by with head work?
This is all just information gathering at this point. I plan to work towards getting my license over the next year, and then I can go racing on my own afterwards.
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Matt Hawkins Member
Posts: 586 From: Waterford, MI Registered: Oct 2000
Don't quote me, but I think you can port match the intake up to an inch from the intake ports. As for head work, I don't think you are allowed to modify anything. Luckily, you can run aftermarket exhaust meaning headers and such are legal. You will need a copy of the complete rules, not just the changes. It should be available from SCCA for ~$10. Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Xantavar Member
Posts: 1158 From: Big Rapids, MI...Ferris State Registered: Nov 2002
Wow...I think i'll have to save my nickels for something like that.
I have thoughts on a LaBaron 11.25" brake upgrade before doing this, but it'll take some time. At the very least, I will have Grand Am brake upgrades done.
How many people do they allow to lap at one time? Do you need a helmet?
I may come to spectate sometime soon.
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bHooper Member
Posts: 4157 From: greensboro, nc Registered: May 99
You need: a license a purpose built car 9either stock class or other) a trailer to haul the car a drivers suit a helmet a pair of racing gloves a pair of racing shoes a set or 2 of quality racing tires a friend or 2 to keep track of lap times and help if you need to pit
xantavar - With good street/track pads, you would be fine with the GA upgrade. I had that on my Fiero when I took it there. For driving school/lapping days, they only require a helmet. It must be Snell M95 or higher though. NO MOTORCYCLE HELMETS! They aren't rated for multiple impacts (i.e. rolling car). I will let you know when I go again. I usually like to get out there 2-3 times a year.
bHooper - You are correct in the needs for "racing". Many don't know that you can lap in your street car on many race courses without all of those things.
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Howard_Sacks Member
Posts: 1871 From: Cherry Hill, NJ Registered: Apr 2001
You need: a license a purpose built car 9either stock class or other) a trailer to haul the car a drivers suit a helmet a pair of racing gloves a pair of racing shoes a set or 2 of quality racing tires a friend or 2 to keep track of lap times and help if you need to pit
that's all i can think of for now.
Dude, you forgot the most important thing. A$$ loads of money.
I don't do road racing, just rally, but I was thinking about going road racing a few years ago so I checked into it.
Most of the info above is correct. As Matt said, V6 Fieros run in ITA and 4-cyl Fieros run in ITB. 88's and pre-88s run together but 88s have a higher minimum weight. I don't remember the numbers.
I don't know anything about GT except that I don't have enough money to compete in it.
IT class has pretty similar preparation rules to Street Prepared in SCCA Solo II. basically stock cars. You can change springs, shock, and bars, and you can add adjustable ride height. No internal motor mods are allowed, but you can do some bolt ons and you can port match.
Exhaust is free from head to tailpipe as long as you meet sound requirements. I don't think you can do much to theintake. Port matching is allowed but this means no grinding further than 1" from the gasket, as Matt stated above. I think you can also retune the stock computer.
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Doug Chase Member
Posts: 1487 From: Seattle area, Washington State, USA Registered: Sep 2001
I forgot one thing that maybe I do know about GT class. I think you can (at least you could) do a Quad 4 swap. George Ryan's autocross car had a Q4 swap and that was legal because he built the car to GT rules. SCCA has allowances in autocross rules to let road racers come play if they're prepared to their own rules. No rule mixing, though.
