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what is the lightest engine swap? by JMunilla87GT
Started on: 09-15-2002 09:07 AM
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Report this Post09-15-2002 09:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JMunilla87GTSend a Private Message to JMunilla87GTDirect Link to This Post
I guess the subject says it all. What is the lightest V6 that we can swap into a Fiero. I was going to do a performance 2.8L but I don't think I am going to get any where near the performance I want/need. So which engine will be lighter, therefore improving my weight distribution? Thanks for the help.

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Report this Post09-15-2002 11:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fldevelSend a Private Message to fldevelDirect Link to This Post
hmm .. some of those aluminum block 3100s are pretty light .. and you can do alot of tweaking to them too
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They made an aluminum 3.1 block? What cars were they produced in? I learn something new everyday.

I don't know what would be the lightest, but the 3.1 with aluminum heads are lighter than the standard 2.8, make a little more power, are a dime a dozen, and will bolt up to the Fiero tranny. Of course you'll need to swap all the electronics and engine compartment wiring from the donor car, then use the Fiero accessories (pulleys, alternator, etc) which probably means some modification and fabricating.

If I were to go to all that trouble, I'd buy a wrecked late model Grand Am GT with a high tech 3400 motor and swap over the whole drivetrain. Always thought that would be a great daily driver swap. Those GA GT cars are very zippy.

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Report this Post09-15-2002 12:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
The Olds Aurora V6 is all aluminum, is it not? As for performance, well it's a Northstar minus 2 cylinders.
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Report this Post09-15-2002 01:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for loafer87gtSend a Private Message to loafer87gtDirect Link to This Post
batboy, GM performance sells an all aluminum v6 that can be setup for both front and rear wheel drive. Last time I checked they were big $$ though. I believe shaun on the forum has one of the beasts in his possesion.
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Report this Post09-15-2002 02:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for batboySend a Private Message to batboyDirect Link to This Post
Right, the later model Olds Intrique has the all aluminum V6 3.5 "shortstar". That would be really light.
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Isn't that new 4Cyl ECOTEC from GM fairly light? They sell a Supercharger for it. If it mates up to the drivetrain, it would probably work.
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Originally posted by batboy:
Right, the later model Olds Intrique has the all aluminum V6 3.5 "shortstar". That would be really light.

Bingo!


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Report this Post09-15-2002 03:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for The FieromasterSend a Private Message to The FieromasterDirect Link to This Post
How much do the engines actually weigh in comparison?? Any rock solid numbers?!?!

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Report this Post09-15-2002 03:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Slammed FieroSend a Private Message to Slammed FieroDirect Link to This Post
There were no 60 degree Aluminum block v6's installed in regular production vehicles. However GM performance parts sells a nice 60 degree v6 that is all aluminum with 4 bolt mains , splayed caps , the whole 9.

Be prepared to pay for it though , I believe they run near 3 grand. 1 forum member is building this particular engine for a 88 formula

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Originally posted by Slammed Fiero:
However GM performance parts sells a nice 60 degree v6 that is all aluminum with 4 bolt mains , splayed caps , the whole 9.

This block weighs about 45 lbs less than the stock cast iron block.

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Report this Post09-15-2002 07:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JMunilla87GTSend a Private Message to JMunilla87GTDirect Link to This Post
will the "shortstar" bolt up to our tranny's? has anyone done the conversion before? Does anyone know what kinda HP it puts out? It would be nice to get the Fiero closer to a 50/50 weight ratio.
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Originally posted by JMunilla87GT:
will the "shortstar" bolt up to our tranny's? has anyone done the conversion before? Does anyone know what kinda HP it puts out? It would be nice to get the Fiero closer to a 50/50 weight ratio.

ACE offers the conversion (w/new engine and warranty) for about $8500. It will not bolt right up, and puts out about 215-220 HP stock.

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Report this Post09-15-2002 09:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for artherdClick Here to visit artherd's HomePageSend a Private Message to artherdDirect Link to This Post
lightest would prolly be Quad4, but it actually is TOO light (makes like a 65/35% bias!)

The shortstar, if it's like the N*, WILL bolt up to out trannies with minimal mods (getrags need 10minuites with a grinding wheel and no whitnesses )

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Report this Post09-15-2002 09:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for batboySend a Private Message to batboyDirect Link to This Post
If I were going to do the 3.5 "shortstar" swap, I'd use the 4 speed auto overdrive tranny that goes with it too, along with all the wiring and ECM, etc. You'd mainly have to figure out motor mounts and probably fool around with the axles.
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