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Do fieros really catch fire that easily? by Dude16
Started on: 06-23-2002 11:41 PM
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I am a new fiero owner, and everyone is telling me that nice car but they catch fire and burn the occupants
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Report this Post06-23-2002 11:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LoW_KeYSend a Private Message to LoW_KeYDirect Link to This Post
Burn just as easy as other cars.. poor maintenance, people not up keeping them just keep them up kept (example making sure oil leaks don't occur) and your good to go I've owned 2 and no prob's here great little dependable car for me and now I'm seeking more HP!

I'm fearful I'll soon be wanting a V8

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Report this Post06-23-2002 11:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for batboySend a Private Message to batboyDirect Link to This Post
That was only a "problem" in 1984. There was a recall and the situation was corrected. Trouble is, this sort of cursed the Fiero reputation from then on, regardless how unfounded it truly was.
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Report this Post06-24-2002 12:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DaRkLoRDSend a Private Message to DaRkLoRDDirect Link to This Post
if I remember correctly.. there were about 400 fires in 84 that prompted a recall.. and even then, you had to beat on the car or not take care of it properly to have a problem..

now, compare this to the tens of thousands of ford aerostars that burned to the ground due to faulty ignitions? wouldn't matter how you took care of it, it was caused by a defective part

yet how many people say aerostars were firetraps? none that I've heard.. they're sh*tboxes.. (we used to have one, I know how crappy they are...) but they don't have a reputation for catching fire.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 12:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TurbochargedGTSend a Private Message to TurbochargedGTDirect Link to This Post
Geez......my 88 coupe has 134,000 miles on it and hasnt caught on fire or given me any problems. Whats wrong?

My 88 Formula has 98,000 miles with no problems and hasnt caught fire......maybe I just got lucky.

Its all talk.....the 84s had "problems"....but none now.....

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Report this Post06-24-2002 09:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Ken WittliefSend a Private Message to Ken WittliefDirect Link to This Post
SPecifically, some '84 engines had connecting rods manufactured with poor grade metal, they would snap (i dont think you had to abuse them) and the rod would go through the crankcase, splattering oil onto the exhaust, which would catch fire.

One thing about Fieros, with the plasitc body panels, if one does catch fire, the body panels all burn right off the car, so it looks pretty bad afterwards.

The connecting rod thing was fixed after '84, and some other heat sheilds were added to which prevent a leaky oil cover gasket from dripping oil onto the exhaust manifold - but that is usually not a problem - a leaky valve cover wont loose enough oil to burn the whole car up.

BTW - I keep a dry chem household style fire extinquisher in ALL the cars i drive, mounted in the trunk (front trunk in the fiero) I have put out three car fires in the last 25 years, none of them were my cars BTW, and none of them were Fieros either :c)

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Report this Post06-24-2002 09:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroman84Send a Private Message to fieroman84Direct Link to This Post
they dont really catch on fire as much as people say they do.
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Report this Post06-24-2002 11:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1SWTGTSend a Private Message to 1SWTGTDirect Link to This Post
People have told me that they "catch fire" ever since I've owned them. Heh, one guy even told me they catch fire because they have an "aluminum block". I was only 17 so I just nodded and went on my way.. hahaha.

Oh, and all 3 of my cars were 120k+ miles.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 12:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ToddsterSend a Private Message to ToddsterDirect Link to This Post
The reason for the engine fires was Pontiac's attempt to save money by eliminating expensive cast iron exhaust mainfold for a cheaper alternative: stainless steel.

They never actually solved the problem which was a design flaw. All 5 years the Fiero was made had a recall for the xhaust manifolds. but instead of fixing the desing the recall just added heat shields and removed the dew strip from the decklid.

The manifolds have extra flashing in the runners which cause heat build-up that inevitably leads to cracks in the manifolds. The result is escaping exhaust gases setting your engine on fire.

The solution is to remove the manifolds and either grind out the flashing in the runners or replace them with a set of case iron manifolds from a buick skylark or other mid 80s car (some replumming for the EGR and exhaust is needed), or a set of headers.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 12:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hellfish87gtClick Here to visit hellfish87gt's HomePageSend a Private Message to hellfish87gtDirect Link to This Post
yes they burn all the time, infact, mine has burnt 3 times this week. they installed an injector in the cabin to aide in complete burn.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 12:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
I don't know. Let me check, which end should I try to light up first? As pointed out above, the myth of the Fiero's burning is attributed to the first year of production problems with low oil capacity and bad connecting rods.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 01:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
I also have a theory that lots of careless people started fires themselves by throwing stuff in the rear trunk and not making sure that it wastt laying out on the engine, ie/ papers, coat sleeves, etc, then closing the lid.
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Report this Post06-24-2002 02:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sentinel_76caSend a Private Message to sentinel_76caDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by batboy:
That was only a "problem" in 1984. There was a recall and the situation was corrected. Trouble is, this sort of cursed the Fiero reputation from then on, regardless how unfounded it truly was.


Plus the 84's had Magnesium, when you try to put a mag fiero out with water it gets worse, they fixed the problem by 85

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Report this Post06-24-2002 02:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 87GTBroSend a Private Message to 87GTBroDirect Link to This Post
My Fiero caught fire. But it wasn't the engine and it didn't do any body damage either. One of the brake calipers partially seized on me while driving on the highway and brake pads like to burn once they get really hot.

I didn't have a fire extinguisher, so I pulled into a parking lot of a store and ran around screaming for a water hose. I had to run around the building to the back (because the fire burnt through my brake line) and luckily there was a bucket by the hose. I doused the fire and had the car trailered back to the house. Then I replaced the entire brake system except the booster.

I was extremely lucky I didn't warp the rim when I doused the fire.

Now I have a fire extinguisher in the trunk. I worked with a fireman a while back and he said that while in training, they were told not to try to put out a burning fiero because the material the panels are made of burns so hot that it is almost impossible to put out. They were told to let it burn to the ground and let the insurance handle it.

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Report this Post06-24-2002 03:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Ive never heard that one. Almost all cars are mostly or partly plastic now, same as Fiero bodies. Lincoln, Cadillac hoods, fenders, bumpers, lower sides. Firebirds and Camaros all but qtr panels, saturns, TranSport and Lumina minivans, just to name a few. Id think that would mean they would just let any car burn to the ground except a metal Escort
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Report this Post06-24-2002 04:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for recluseSend a Private Message to recluseDirect Link to This Post
I've owned 3 Fieros and my first one did catch on fire BUT only because of my own stupidity. It had a leak in the fuel line and I drove it anyways. Any car with a fuel leak is likely to catch on fire. Just carry an extinguisher.... or two.
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Report this Post06-24-2002 04:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MinnGreenGTClick Here to visit MinnGreenGT's HomePageSend a Private Message to MinnGreenGTDirect Link to This Post
Wow! There are certainly some entertaining ideas in here!

This is correct:

 
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Originally posted by Ken Wittlief:
SPecifically, some '84 engines had connecting rods manufactured with poor grade metal, they would snap (i dont think you had to abuse them) and the rod would go through the crankcase, splattering oil onto the exhaust, which would catch fire.

The connecting rod thing was fixed after '84, and some other heat sheilds were added to which prevent a leaky oil cover gasket from dripping oil onto the exhaust manifold - but that is usually not a problem - a leaky valve cover wont loose enough oil to burn the whole car up.

The thing about the exhaust flanging... not quite. Your exhaust gasses will not cause an engine fire. Many people drive beater cars (Fieros and non-Fieros alike) everyday with broken exhaust manifolds- and they don't catch fire. I'm pretty sure this is the 1st time I've heard this rendition!

The "Magnesuim Theory" I've heard before. But again, not correct (strange how the '84 recall didn't affect the Magnesium grill at all). Pure magnesuim is extremely flammable- once it's ignited. But the Center Decklid Grill on the 84's is actually made of a Magnesuim Alloy- meaning that other metals have been mixed in before the part was cast. An alloy acts with properties of all the elements used... therefore the Magnesuim alloy used has a higher ignition temperature, as well as a higher strength (pure magnesuim is not extremely hard). So again... a fun theory- but not it.

Most of the Fiero fires I've seen or heard of had nothing to do with the recalled issues, but rather "bad luck" or "driver/owner error". Like not parking your car with it't hot exhaust over anything likely to burn (this is something that you should think about in every car).

The above photos are 100% real, I shot them myself, in my side yard. The only salvagable parts of the car was the lower trim on the passenger side- which is now installed on my GreenGT!

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Report this Post06-24-2002 04:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Ok try to remember what was going on in 1984. The hippies are grown and selling dope to anyone with money. Any car will burn to the ground if you smoke a big splif and forget to check your oil.
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