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Jacobs Blows MSD/Mallory/Crane? by Mr. Farknocker
Started on: 02-22-2002 03:57 AM
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Report this Post02-22-2002 03:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post
Just got through reading Christopher Jacobs'(Ph.D. E.E.) book called "Performance Ignition Systems." Awesome! I never knew performance ignition systems could be so exciting. Really!

The guy's got some real interesting things to say about what his system does (i.e., Jacobs Electronics) and what MSD, Mallory, Crane ignitions et al. don't.

One of the most significant things he states is that variable magnetic coils provide more hp and mileage than those hotshot 40K volt coils since these coils have outputs that often drop to 8K volts when the plugs start to foul and the rpms go up. Moreover, if the voltage is too high for a particular condition (e.g., when the plug is not fouled and the engine runs at low rpm), the hotshot coils tend to put out sparks that punch holes through the air/fuel mixture (i.e., cavitation) leading to a loss in HP/Torque.

The variable magnetic coils, on the other hand, sense the condition of each cylinder and can usually put out about 28K volts under all rpm and engine conditions. When the Jacob's ignition control system is used with the coil, the computer takes several measurements and makes numerous calculations for each cylinder after it fires to determine the optimal voltage for each spark plug.

Needless to say, Jacobs states that neither MSD, Crane nor Mallory symtems peform these functions.

Granted, the guy is biased, but his book is worth looking into, bunk or no bunk.

Does anybody had any experience, good or bad, with a Jacobs Electronics ignition system?

Farknocker

P.S. BTW, my baby runs on a MSD 6AL/MSBlaster II coil setup.

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Report this Post02-22-2002 06:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for chesterSend a Private Message to chesterDirect Link to This Post
I had $650 Jacobs Ignition system in my 83 Blazer that was the worst piece of CRAP that I ever bought. I personally will never go there again.

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Report this Post02-22-2002 08:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1FST2M6Click Here to visit 1FST2M6's HomePageSend a Private Message to 1FST2M6Direct Link to This Post
every jacobs system that has ever come into the shop www.engineered.net has been replaces by MSD, Holley Commnder, Electromotive TecII, or PMS from EFI Systems. Jacobs is crap.

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Report this Post02-22-2002 12:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 1FST2M6:
every jacobs system that has ever come into the shop www.engineered.net has been replaces by MSD, Holley Commnder, Electromotive TecII, or PMS from EFI Systems. Jacobs is crap.

That's why this forum is so excellent. It just goes to show that actual experience can be worth more than relying on theoretical/hypothetical BS.

What seems to be the most common complaint about Jacobs' product?

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Report this Post02-22-2002 08:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroJoeSend a Private Message to FieroJoeDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Mr. Farknocker:
What seems to be the most common complaint about Jacobs' product?

Sounds to me that it is crap.

Personally, I have my eye on the Crane HI-6S kit from summit. Probably going to be one of the first performance mods I do to the 2.8 once it is installed and running well.

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Report this Post02-22-2002 10:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LT1 Chop TopSend a Private Message to LT1 Chop TopDirect Link to This Post
I have had the Jacobs Energy team Ignition System w/ ceramic plug wires, and the Jacobs Ultra Coil Ignition Coil on my car for over 25k miles, and it has performed flawlessly. The system was even painted to match the rest of the stock componenents.

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Report this Post02-22-2002 11:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by LT1 Chop Top:
I have had the Jacobs Energy team Ignition System w/ ceramic plug wires, and the Jacobs Ultra Coil Ignition Coil on my car for over 25k miles

Any noticeable difference in performance over stock?

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Report this Post02-22-2002 11:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LT1 Chop TopSend a Private Message to LT1 Chop TopDirect Link to This Post
I have only had the car for about 6k miles of the total 25k that is has been on there. I don't have a stock Fiero, so no real basis to answer that question.

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Report this Post02-23-2002 03:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for dourain86gtSend a Private Message to dourain86gtDirect Link to This Post
I have an opportunity to get a full jacobs ing kit for around $150 - 200. I was thinking about it but now I don't know. Originally I wanted a msd 6a, but any advice would help.

thanks.
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Report this Post02-23-2002 03:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SpyhunterSend a Private Message to SpyhunterDirect Link to This Post
hey farknocker - you located on Oahu? I've been searching for some active fiero enthusiasts in this area
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Report this Post02-23-2002 03:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Spyhunter:
hey farknocker - you located on Oahu? I've been searching for some active fiero enthusiasts in this area

Yup, dat's me!

Where in Honolulu do you live?

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Report this Post02-23-2002 03:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post

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Originally posted by dourain86gt:
I have an opportunity to get a full jacobs ing kit for around $150 - 200. I was thinking about it but now I don't know. Originally I wanted a msd 6a, but any advice would help.

thanks.
Raf.

I think if you search the forum, you'll find that half the people who comment on the Jacobs system swear by it while the other half swear at it. Personally, the price turns me off. You can't buy a complete system for less than $300.

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Report this Post02-23-2002 08:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SpyhunterSend a Private Message to SpyhunterDirect Link to This Post
I'm located in the university area - around makiki - I've recently spotted a beat up daily driver red 2m6 that must work at the Checker Auto parts on Punahou ... Always on the lookout for our kind! I drive around in my black 87GT - man, your yellow beastie looks sweet! Know of any other Oahu Fiero people?
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Report this Post02-23-2002 01:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. FarknockerSend a Private Message to Mr. FarknockerDirect Link to This Post
Spy,

I'm taking the rest of this conversation through private mail. Go check your box.

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