i posted this in technical, but have gotten no response, do they just look nice? or do they improve something?
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11:17 PM
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Aug 31st, 2001
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Posts: 4667 From: St. Cloud, MN Registered: Apr 99
in theory, they should improve the airflow out of the decklid vents, because they'll flow air across the top of them, leading to lower engine compartment temps due to better cooling. In reality... i dunno.
thats kinda what i thought. but theory is not always the same as reality
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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Mach10 Member
Posts: 7375 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Registered: Jan 2001
It's possible that they only increase air pressure over the decklid, thus REDUCING the airflow over the vents. I don't think anyone could say one way or another without a windtunnel test. I don't really like the look, but that's just me. Besides, I'm a notchback dude.
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tgowens Member
Posts: 2496 From: Somewhere in my Fiero, of course! Registered: Apr 2000
Do they do anything? They limit your visibility out the rear for one thing! This is just a personal opinion but, whatever positive effect they may have in functionality is diminished by the poor visibility. I'll take the safety factor over the functionality any day........that's just one man's opinion.
Now, if this is a "just-for-show" car rather than a daily driver they may be alright.......
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Tonker Member
Posts: 612 From: Ottawa, ON, Canada Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by tgowens: They limit your visibility out the rear for one thing!... whatever positive effect they may have in functionality is diminished by the poor visibility.
Man do they ever limit visibility. I have a hooooooooge blind spot in my GT.
They do limit the visibilty. At one point I was going to put the scoops with the plexiglass windows on my GT but when I got them from the vendor A) They sent me 2 passenger side sail panels, B) The plexiglass windows DID NOT FIT in the frame properly and C) the overall finish was horrible. I returned them after a ration of crap and had to pay like a 20% restock fee (on top of the customs charges). They sent me the wrong parts AND charged me a restock fee. I was not a happy camper! So I decided to go with the tinted sail panels from Fiero Warehouse. I love 'em!
This was posted on the OTHER question in technical:
I've wondered the same thing for a long time now. I first thought, "It must cool the engine better, because the air flowing over the vents would tend to draw more air out of the vents...kind of like if you blow air over a liquid filled hose...it creates a low pressure area and sucks the liquid up the hose." But then I got to thinking some more and though, "Maybe the giant low pressure zone created right behind the back window (in the notch area) creates maximized low-pressure to draw the air up through the engine compartment without help. Perhaps adding the window scoops would only decrease the amount of negative pressure (vacuum) created by the window notch." If somebody had the window scoops, it would be interesting if they were to attach several streamers of different weight (plastic, cloth, etc.) on their engine vents. They could then go on a test drive and see how much the streamers are affected at all speeds (at which speed each streamer is straight). They could then do some temporary covering of the scoops with masking tape to create a fake "standard" window that would mimic the stock airflow. Again, go on a test drive and note at which speed each streamer is straight. This would be a semi-scientific method of determining how the window scoops affect the airflow through through the engine vents.
Oh, and I doubt that the sail panel scoops create a notable amount of drag. If you consider the drag created by the fiero body-style, such a small amount of drag isn't really necessary to account for. I would *assume* (you know what they say about that) that the scoops would actually decrease drag because there wouldn't be so much low-pressure behind the window of the car, causing less air drag.
So, who has these scoops and wants to be a guinea pig?
im prety well dead set on getting them, so i will do the streamer test. but i will do it a little better. i will test the streamers before i put the scoops on, and then after. when i do it, i will post results. also, i was wondering about another cooling idea. if i were to get a set of stage two side scoops from ausi, i would hook one to the intake, but what would i do with the other? it wouldn't be the best idea to cool off only one break, so i thought about hooking it to a duct that brings the air under the motor and directs it upwards. which would possibly help push hot air out of the deck lid vents, any ideas????
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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Fiero2 Member
Posts: 47 From: Plainfield, NH USA Registered: Nov 2000
I LOVE them!! I thought they were cool the minute I saw a set on Mark Tessiers GT last year at Spindles. The minute I had a fastback, thanks to my husband Steve - Fiero5, I had to get a set of my own. I love the look. The Mecham scoops on the bottom side and the sail panel scoops on the top side make my 88 look awesome! Now, if I can just keep people from stealing them. I am going on my third passenger side one as soon as it arrives. >sigh< Guess I will be going with Steve again this year to Spindles. Oh well, it is a dual anniversary for us anyway, including the fact that a few years ago when we went to Spindles in Steve's Fiero1. We were the only ones there with a Fiero. What a change from back then to now. He is taking it to Spindles again this year which will be cool. He has been working on it trying to get it ready. We both can't waite.
I had them on my 85se that I converted to a fastback. I hated them!!!!!! You CANNOT see to back up from parking places and when changing lanes. Do not buy them, get the regular windows from 007Doug.
On the what to do with the other side intake. I am planning on mounting an oil cooler in the passenger side. I'm moving my battery forward so that whole area opens up. In the open area I plan on mounting a pair of remote oil filters to increase capacity. All this should work to lower engine temps besides making it easier to change the oil.
thats a good idea, i wonder how hard it would be with an oil relocater/dry sump. but i still want to try my idea first
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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Fiero2 Member
Posts: 47 From: Plainfield, NH USA Registered: Nov 2000
I don't have any viewing problems with them. They don't hinder my view at all, or anymore than a notchback. All Fieros have a somewhat larger blind spot than most other cars, but I don't find the sail scoops any worse than normal sails. Being a bit shorter than most, I may sit lower though. Maybe that has something to do with it?
I love them. Of course I love my whole car!
Marian
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tomanyfieros Member
Posts: 2702 From: Albany, Ohio Registered: Nov 2000
hey, sorry, i could not help u, i have some fastback scoops i would lke to sell, i bought them for $150 for the set, and i woould like to get my $$$ back.... LMK Thanx JAson i am posting them for sale in the mall, will consder trade on parts,
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no problem tomanyfieros, i may want one of your cars anyways. do you have one that is just a standard fastback? i might be able to get it painted, and i only realy need the midle section, so that should make it a little easier to paint. the scoops, i dont have a car to put them on right now still looking for a fastback.
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
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11:04 AM
tomanyfieros Member
Posts: 2702 From: Albany, Ohio Registered: Nov 2000
hey, what about doing a fastback conversion, i might be getting an 86 GT, wrecked, but the 5 spd is claimed, but it has all the stuff to make an 85 GT (silver) into a fastback, i could make u a deal on that stuff.... LMK Thanx Jason i think i got ur number, i might call u...
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hey, that would probably work, actualy, how bad is the 86 wrecked? does it have a title? all i need is the mid section and it needs to be rolling (i need enough of the rear to drag it here). i dont need the trans either, the car just needs to be set up for a standard trans already. im planning on putting a quaife 6 spd in it.
------------------ im looking for a inexpensive black standard fastback. does not have to run. does not have to look good. only the mid section needs to be dent free. the fenders,bumpers, dont have to be in good cond. faded paint is fine. anyone who has info, email me. grey interior would be nice but beggars cant be choosers
So I decided to go with the tinted sail panels from Fiero Warehouse. I love 'em!
