Hey, I duno if you guys knew this, but the MR2 didn't copy the Fiero at all. It actually was following more along the lines of the Bertone Fiat X1/9, not the Fiero. the MR2 was released in concept form in 1983, and then was put into production in 1984 with a carbuerated version of Toyota's venerable 4AG Twincam powerplant (later in 85 it changed to EFI). The MR2 never copied Fiero as far as I know. far from it. Toyota was looking at the Europeans. it is strange tho that they came out at the same time.
------------------ 1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed www.atlantamr2s.com Pics of my car, "Heaven and Hell" Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.
I think it was late '70s when the Fiero plan began to take action. "it is strange tho that they came out at the same time" -- Strange how similar they look too . No flame, just pointing out the similarities. I'm wondering what a 2 owner is doing on here. I don't mind at all, acutally I kind of like having someone from the "outside" on here, just wondering why you decided to join?
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Tigger Member
Posts: 4368 From: Flint, MI USA Registered: Sep 2000
That is soooo weird, that at east one MR2 owner (or could this be a popular belief) would rather the deuce be derivative of the X1/9 then the Fiero. I mean, talk about your orphan-mobile. Fiat didn't even want to sell those after a while. I think I read somewhere that total production for all years, Fiat and Bertone, was around 100,000. The Fiero had already shipped that number of 84 models by the time the first production MR2 left the factory. Do people really think that if the Fiero had tanked out of the gate and sold "only" 30,000 units, the MR2 would have ever seen the market? Believe it people, the Fiero started the whole affordable 2 seater war in the eighties.
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PearlBlueSoul Member
Posts: 206 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Nov 2000
It is! Belive it or not it is. I don't think Toyota ever considered the Fiero competition in the same league. the CRX, the Bertone X19, the MG, 240sx, and a coupe other cars are ones I remember a european magazine doing tests as a class.
I decided to join, because of what's goin on with the MR2 board.
Allow me to explain... This is the thread I started in the MR2 forum to help solidify what's been going on with the fiero club, how it started, what not. This is what I said. I come from the MR2 board as second top poster with like 700+ posts. The first place guy has over 1k. Needless to say, I've been around, know quite a few people, and have a good bit of leverage.
About the week before last, we had someone find a Fiero site that was quite offensive and very innacurate about the MR2 and it's comparison to the Fiero. Over the course of that week, two of us (that I know of) e-mailed this guy and asked him about his page. Well, earlier this week, we had an anonymous Fiero owner come on our off topic and MKI boards as Fiero Boy, bashing MR2s. So, what do I go and do but post ******* threads. SOMEHOW (I have yet to find this out) we wound up collecting interest on this event within the fiero community. They came over and began to try to set us straight (and vice versa).
Well, this whole matter is sorted out, and I think we all can agree on something here.
I hope that we won't give off a bad representation of ourselves as a community, just as I'm sure you hope your reputation hasn't been ruined by a particular person from your side. Neither board I think enjoys a flame or bashing, so I think we see eye to eye on this one. Lets just let these guys come in, and those who cause trouble we will deal with as they come. High time this board started to get a lil rough. It's been too smooth since the hacking this summer.
Just, we've got assholes in ANY car community and I think we're not all that naive not to realize it. We just happened to get a bad taste first, so lets try to give them a good taste of us over on their board. I don't mean with Verbal assault either. Try to present yourself in a good light.
I'm going to be watching both boards, seeing what develops. Who knows? we might have found ourselves some very good "road sparring" partners (sparring is a match between two people in Martial Arts, usually a training bout). It would be nice to see these two groups be able to come together every now and again, and disprove misconceptions and stereotypes for both of these cars. I'm sure a great deal of us would be enlightened to know a little bit more about their cars, and I'm sure they wanna know something about how we work thigns (example, how the hell did I fit a 12" sub in my front trunk??). I'm sure we could exchange quite a few ideas and things between groups.
Hope this gets through, and Hope everyone has a good night. I really hope I don't see anyone on their board bashing or reacking havoc. If I do I'm gonna be very depressed, because I thought we were above that kidna stuff. This isn't just another Japanese import board, this is IMOC.
------------------ 1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed www.atlantamr2s.com Pics of my car, "Heaven and Hell" Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.
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PearlBlueSoul Member
Posts: 206 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Nov 2000
Ya know what, this sure is hard to deal with. being 17 sure hasn't lent myself to having very much 'life' experience yet. I suppose now is as good a time as any to get started collecting.
------------------ 1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed www.atlantamr2s.com Pics of my car, "Heaven and Hell" Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.
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007DOUG Member
Posts: 1280 From: Wheeling, WV 26003 Registered: Feb 2000
Welcome PearlBlueSoul. It is great to see MR2 & Fiero owners getting along. I would join the MR2 list but they seem a little touchy. We have the 2 major mid engine cars in the US. Your ride looks great. Have anymore pics? I love to look at pics. Here are 2 of mine. I also have a lot of pics here http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1249362
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10:40 AM
Cliff Pennock Administrator
Posts: 11861 From: Zandvoort, The Netherlands Registered: Jan 99
PBS, I sure hope it wasn't anyone from this forum that started all the trouble on the MR2 forum. Sure, we make fun of other cars here but it's a totally different story to register on a car forum with the sole purpose of bashing that car. That's just plain childish. We've had a few of those here too but fortunately I was able to deal with them quickly.
About the MR2 copying the Fiero or vice versa, I never believed in that story anyway. Usually a car's look is following a trend and it's therefore not really all that strange when several cars enter the market at the same time with similar looks.
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
I have driven a few MR2's in my time and of course Fiero's. Each car has it's good points and weak points. I prefer the Fiero. If I am not mistaken, the Fiero is larger and heavier than the MR2. I always thought the Fiero was competition for the RX7. In fact IMSA did not have MR2's and Fiero's in the same class, They had Fiero's racing against RX7's. (Just for facts sake, Fiero's won 65% of the races from 1985 to 1988, the first IMSA GTU car to do so!) But I'm sure that there are many cars on both sides that are very fast, handle very well, and look fantastic. I just don't think we should be joining each others forum's for the purpose of bashing.
I do have a question for the MR2 folks, Have you ever driven a nice Fiero? Most people who I have talked to have either never driven one or drove a beat-up one. Maybe we can get a few members from both sides to meet and ride in each others cars?
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Posts: 8197 From: Salinas, CA Registered: Jan 2000
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: About the MR2 copying the Fiero or vice versa... Usually a car's look is following a trend and it's therefore not really all that strange when several cars enter the market at the same time with similar looks.
My point more properly developed, thanks Cliff. My point is this, while the mk1 MR2 certainly looks more X1/9 in nature, the X1/9 was hardly the sales success that would lead Toyota to tool up a mid-engined car, much less get it federalized for U.S. sale. Without the groundswell of interest in the US for the Fiero, I highly doubt the deuce would have ever played in Peoria. (Can anyone say Skyline GTR?)
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Jaygee79 Member
Posts: 4259 From: Dartmouth, MA Registered: Mar 2000
I've never rode in an MR2, never liked them. But then again, I didn't really like the Fiero till I drove it. I do like the Fiero better, but I can't say anything about the MR2 until I get a chance to be in one. By the way, nice car PearlBlueSoul
welcome to the forum.. I'm getting sick of all (ok, just a few..) the people bashing decent cars here, simply because they're not their #1 choice.. I like 2nd gen MR2s quite a bit, and I'm hoping to take one for a test drive sometime in the spring when the weather gets nice. (1st gens are ok, but they look similar to the early Fieros.. and I don't really care for those either.. I think it's the pointy nose. heh)
And also, when I click on the link to see the pictures of your car, I get an error message... where is everyone seeing these pics??
Welcome to the Fiero Forum. I am also one of those who have never driven or ridden in an MR2. Shure I make fun of them from time to time, (heck, I even have one of those Calvin stickers in my back window) but I like the looks of the new ones. If we all liked the same things life would be boring. We might even have a president-elect. I have checked out the MR2 Forum just for kicks but would never go in there to stir things up. I also know not to go into a biker bar and praise my Honda 750 I used to own. Now time for a drive......
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PearlBlueSoul Member
Posts: 206 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Nov 2000
Thank you all VERY much for all of your compliments and your good graces. I should wish all 2 owners were as nice as me but as we all know, ain't gonna happen. I'll speak for the masses tho that they're majorily all good people, much like yourselves. I think after a lil while things should sift out just fine. All it takes is a little time and patience.z
007DOUG, All I have to say is: [img]http:// members.aol.com/mr2drs/images/eek2.gif[/img] WTF!?!?!?! THAT IS FCKING SCHWEEET!! I can't BELIEVE that! I never in my wildest dreams thought there would be another car, MUCH LESS a fiero with the same paint scheme as my car. I've already e-mailed you requesting info!
Also, for those requesting pics, I'll check about my site. I've got a Geocities page with my MR2 pictures on it, but I haven't posted anything in the way of links or what not to specific pictures. I need to get on that site and post all of my pics for everyone to see, now that there's actually an audience for it. I used to use it just to hold stuff for upload on our BBS.
Cliff, I have no clue. I'll send you the link to the site this guy had that started this whole mess. Once you see that site, you'll understand why we got so outraged and unsettled.
Orief, no I haven't ridden in a decent Fiero. actually, had we seen one for a decent price back in 92, we would have bought it more than likely. My dad was looking at fieros before he started checking out MR2s. Hell, if he hadn't bought that 86 fire red MR2 back in 92 I prolly would be a fiero fanatic right now instead of a 2 er. here's a pic of the 86 I used to have before my 87. I'll have to post the 86 sob story some other time. I gave that car hell when I got it. I was a new driver, so do tha math on that one.
------------------ 1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed www.atlantamr2s.com Pics of my car, "Heaven and Hell" Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.
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PearlBlueSoul Member
Posts: 206 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Nov 2000
To say the least, I'd like just to ride in a S/C MR2, much less just the NORMAL variety of fiero. I've only experienced the n/a breeds of both first and second gens. However, I'm very mixed on the third ('00) generation MR2s. I'm half way convinced they turned them into girly cars, too much like porsche boxters, but not enough. Also, I think they sit too high, and are too bubbly for me. I love the chopped, 'wedgy' look of the first gens, and the second gens I love because of their tunability and how they look, but I don't like that I see so many of them.
No one at my school has a fiero, and I've got the single MR2 in the lot. so needless to say whenever our auto tech class has a car show people are around my car all day long wondering WTF it is they're looking at (especially when there's a 12" sub sitting up front. ).
For a little extra bkgd on me, I do all the work on my car myself. Fabrication, install, everything. Those foglights I ran the wires for, I installed my system myself with the amp concealed under the passenger's seat (all wires are behind carpet, no trace of a system in my car at all). Ran the power wires from the engine compartment through the shift grommet and into the passenger compartment. I've got ALOT of little mods, plus the big ones I listed below for you guys. I finished paying off this car in august, and havne't been able to drive it due to a suspended license in may for 6 mos, and it's been 6 mos, so I'm waiting to get my grades and the $$$ to pay for it. (damn that was a BAD run on sentence). I love to write, and even have a 64 page (computer text, 10 pt font times new roman), MR2 based novel I have yet to finish. This, among lots of various other work. I'm seriously considering doing TV and following my dad (www.zpost.com). that industry is a gas, and editing is a breeze when you learn it.
Hope this changes some minds, and I'll cut wasting the bandwidth now.
------------------ 1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed www.atlantamr2s.com Pics of my car, "Heaven and Hell" Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.
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03:35 PM
VelociFero Member
Posts: 27 From: DeKalb, IL, USA Registered: Nov 2000
Hey PBS and everyone. New member here, not a troll. Sorry about everything on the MR2 board but at least things seem to be a little less petty over here. The good news is I've found this place http://www.mr2pages.com/members/velocifero/9mr2.jpg
Originally posted by 007DOUG: Looks like someone copied my fiero: Notable Mods:Sus tech springs, KONIs at all four corners, GT exhaust, Compomotive wheels (16x7.5)
But which one is the evil twin?
Doug, all you need is a DGP(?) airdam like Sluppy has..
That is a sweet looking MR2 PBS! I love the silver lower with the black upper! And those wheels are a perfect match to the car. They don't overshadow the car itself!
As for this board.... I think its the best car board out there. I also participate on probetalk.com (my other car is a 97 Probe). Its a good board overall, but everyone is always flaming each other trying to defend their way to big egos. 99% of the people here are very helpful, and very nice!
As for MR2's... the reason Fiero and MR2 owners fight between each other is the similarity in the cars.... Because they are so similar, each side is trying to make theirs sound so much better. I prefer Fiero's because my dad owned one as I was growing up. They are also nice here in Buffalo 'casue the bodies don't rust out. However, neither makes the MR2 bad... I would love a gen 2 MR2 turbo!! To have with my Fiero of course
Originally posted by PearlBlueSoul: Hey, does IRM have a website? I think I've seen a front end much like that one for MR2s, same lights and everything.
No, IRM doesn't have a website at present. There's a low-quality scanned copy of an old catalog online, but the pictures are hard to see.. I've been trying to arrange to do a site for them, but no reponse yet.. sometimes I wonder if they check their email at all.
I actually went looking at genII MR2s when they first came out. But I couldn't afford a $27,000 car at the time. I bought a 90 Celica GTS instead, it was a great car. I sold it to buy my 3rd Fiero though
Jeff
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JBGehling Member
Posts: 326 From: Lexington, SC, USA Registered: Oct 2000
hey PearlBlueSoul, welcome to the forum, I certainly hope I didn't start this (as I said on the MR2 board, I wasn't trying to be mean, you just had a couple of facts wrong, as I'm sure we do on MR2's) Josh
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zeusrekning Member
Posts: 536 From: laurens,SC USA Registered: Apr 99
i have nothing bad to say other than the only thing i have against MR2's is like a rivalrie(sp?)
************************** I really did get mad when i red the post from the guy posting a lot of crap that he didn't know about. Like radiators up front supercharged fieros
I think anyone here will be glad to tell you things bad about fiero's My problems - headlights, worn suspension.
Oh were are supposed to have our fiert meet/show april 7th if you want to be informed let me know. lot of rare fieros One guy has an 87 mera in th club lot to learn lot of fun
Oh first fiero i saw thought it was an mr2 just less square (no flames)
According to some of the press information I have. The Fiero project was started in 1975 but never came about because of the fuel economic situation. Thats why they had to release it as moderately fuel economic in 1984.
------------------ Todd Jaspers 1997 Pontiac GrandAm SE 1987 Pontiac Fiero SE/V6 1984 Pontiac Fiero 2m4 SE http://www.ezshots.com/album.cgi?82tafiero/Apartment
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count_iblis Member
Posts: 328 From: Elizabethtown, KY Registered: Sep 2000
I agree that neither car copied the other car, although its strange that both cars originally came out as coupes and then went to a similar "hatchback" style. Maybe that's just me?
But I used to like MR2's, especially after I bought my first Fiero, until I drove one. It rode nice, but suspension was a little weak and it felt like the accelerator didn't go down all the way. I wanted more umph and I found myself jumping up and down in the seat trying to squeeze that last little bit out of the engine. This was a first generation MR2, I'm sure it had seen better days. I would still like to drive a good representation of a first gen and one of the second gen's but the prices on these things are still alittle too high in my opinion.
But, anyways, welcome to the board, I'm new here too.
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
Welcome to the forum. Nice car. I like the 2nd gen. better though. There is a real nice 2nd gen. mr2 I see at Burien Toyota alot (the guy must work there). I was considering on buying one, but they were to exspensive at the time. So I bought a Fiero instead.
. No flame, just pointing out the similarities. 
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