just wondering, how does a prelude fair up against the fiero. i always thought of the prelude as faster with better handling--than a civic, of course.

I dont know- but the V-tec Si with 190+ horsepower would probably have a little advantage. But if you dont really turn the motors up high, they dont perform well.

i have read this whole string, and needless to say, i am disappointed in the narrow-mindedness of some on this board.
i do not own a fiero. i do own a CRX. i have nothing against el fiero, but please do not underestimate the honda pocket rocket. the car barely weighs 2200 pounds. it is quite easy to swap out engines for a hi performance edge. i have purchased an engine directly from Japan just to gain a bit o respect. my little car puts out 168 hp at peak power with a rev limit at at over 8k. although the extra torque of larger displacement may help take off at the line, the extra headroom due to a more efficent head, intake and cam design allow me to post rather fast trap speeds. all this and i still get over 30 mpg. im quite confident my little econobox could hold its own. it IS faster then any production honda/acura in the states (except the NSX).
Now this is where you may find things a little strange.
my family business is called Corvettes and Performance. we strictly work on vettes. been doing it for 15 years. i have driven vettes, raced vettes and disected vettes. my little 90 CRS-SiR may not be as fast off the line, but throw in some turns and the vettes eating mailboxes. just a little ditty to show that money does not always produce the better vehicle in all situations.

It seems we are a hit on the Honda forum. http://resource.crx.org/forum/messages/55192.shtml For the most part the people seem OK there.

Don't do the I can put whatever engine I want into a 1975 bug, or whatever!! Honda's are not sports cars and they suck when it comes to it. You don't like it, don't read threads on this board.

Nick,Nick,Nick,

What are you doing??? You say you don't want to start any wars, and then you say, "I know some of you guys are going to want to rip into them?" Seems to me you're playing both sides against the middle.

first correction: Civic Si's have 160hp not 190 or 200 like some people say. also they are not 2200 lbs, but closer to 2400

also japan market engines most likely have an advantage since they are prob not made to smog standards as stringent as US ones. Thus swapping engines is a bad comparison, on top of what others mentioned, also Quad 4's went up to 195 hp in the Achieva SCX, if you want power, just go to Callaway or Lingenfelter and see what you get then compare to the rice cars. Car and Driver had a street legal vette to to 202mph, and that was previous generation. in the end the size of the engine does count, because whatever the japanese do to make their small engines fast can also be done to larger engnines to make them even faster.

DOHC, super/turbo, Variable valve timing, etc. all of this has or can be done with a big engine and will produce much more power than a whimpy four.

also the larger engine will most likely last longer considering less stress on the engine.

I had to laugh out loud when I read that post accusing us Fiero guys of being narrow minded. Of course we're narrow minded! We fiercely luv our lil' Fieros! My parents have had a number of Hondas and they are great reliably transportation, but they are boring, a dime a dozen, and are "old folks" kind of cars. If you want an unique, sleek, studdley car, you have to shop around to find yourself a very special Fiero. Sounds like the Fiero vs. Honda rivalry is kind of similar to the old Chevy vs. Ford wars of yesteryears. I like rice, but I sure wouldn't want to eat it everyday. God bless America (Canada too) and Fieros!

Hey FieroMike:

What the hell is your problem? I realize that you love Fieros and hate Honda's, but seriously, if you still don't think that some Honda's are sports cars, then you are way too narrowminded to even consider trying to convince. If Hondas suck at being sports cars then why are there so many out there at autocrosses? Also, have you ever watched the European touring car championships? They are using Accords, probably the Honda that is furthest away from being a sports car, and it kicks ass!

Like I said earlier, I understand that this is a Fiero board, but you're going to have to do better than that if you want to convince me that Hondas suck as sports cars. Maybe something to back up your blanket statement? Just a thought.

Kel:
I honestly didn't mean anything by what I posted on the CRX forum, it's just that there are some guys on there that are just like FieroMike when it comes to their narrowmindedness. I didn't expect anybody from over there to come here and post something. I just wanted to hear what the CRX guys had to say about some of the stuff in this thread. That's all. I apologize to all of you for any problems I have caused. It's tough for me to listen to both sides and not voice my opinion, given the fact that I own both cars. Hope you understand.
Peace.

Nick- I guess that I am in the same shape you are in. I have- and like- the Fiero and one of those Gremlin looking hatchback Civics. No, the Civic is not a sports car. But it is the only thing I have ever owned that went 140,000 miles and has not needed a rebuild. I've never even put a set of plugwires or rear brake shoes on it! I just dont think you should get slammed for liking one car more than another.

Thanks man. You're right, those Civics aren't much of a sports car. But a Vtec Prelude is!

Also, it's not really that I like one car more than the other. I like them both equally, but for completely different reasons.

How do you guys feel about the Acura Integra?

My friend has a 1994 Acura Integra LS(None V-Tech). For those who don't most Acura's are powered by Honda. Anyway, I race my friend in his Integra all the time and it's even up until we get to 100-110 mph. After that my friend pulls away pretty fast. We both pretty much have the same mods: intake, ignition, and wires. But he has an exhaust and I don't.

I'm not picking sides because I love both inport cars and domestic. But like I said before you really can't compare the two. They are both different in there own right.
Also I think that people should get the props that the deserve. If some one has a import or domestic that is running in the 10's or 13's don't knock it even if you dislike it, just respect it.

hey DXR_WILL , for those who don't know Acura are HONDA's rebadged for us American idiots who won't buy expensive hondas. DUH!!!
anyways what kind of Fiero r u driving? a non vtec integra has 140hp and less torgue than a GT fiero, so u should be quicker , much quicker off the line at least. sounds like you are not a very good driver , or your friend. also is your car an auto and his a 5sp? that would explain it also. u should also be able to outhandle a stock integra. of course as many have said it depends on driver's skill

Hey, don't knock Will's driving skills if you've never seen him drive. If that Acura has a nice free flowing exhaust system, that could make a world of difference on both horsepower and torque. Will, maybe you ought to think about getting headers and a better exhaust, it really makes a Fiero come alive.

Putting a free-flowing exhaust on an Integra would actually decrease the Torque, and help out top-speed and a slight increase in HP. I have to agree on 1 thing. I have raced a friend in a VTEC and PROBE GT and they are pretty equal to me. A base Integra has no balls and shouldn't be even with you.... but let us know the drive-train configs

Sid-My dads Fiero is a 86' SE (5spd). I know how to drive as well, its not that hard when your driving in a straight line. I'm just telling you how it is when we race. My friend has a bran new engine and drivetrain, where as my dads Fiero has 76,000+ miles on it with a couple of exhaust leaks.

Hey Sid- my hatchback civic had 110 horsepower when it was new- 10 years ago- and I still kick some serious butt when I go looking for trouble. The axle gearing in these things makes up for a lot of the lack of torque/horsepower. I have smoked some heavy hitters with this gremlin-mobile. Plastic camaros are a joke, so are 4.6 Mudstains. This car is not the quickest thing- but I catch the other guy sleeping at the light and make a fool out of him.
Will- slow down. You wont outlive your youth and foolishness driving 110 in a Fiero, or anything else.

Here's a pretty good Civic racing story - web.camaross.com/bb/Forum7/HTML/000822.html

I laughed out loud, I cried, I almost wet my pants. Dang, that was one funny story.

Yep, That is a good one! Funny how everybody hates the poor little civic.

I just got around to reading this whole thread, actually Im not really sure how I missed it with 63 posts, the last time I checked but anyway, I have only one question, and this concerns a comment made near the top of the thread.

Is Japan actually large enough to run a car with 700HP? I mean, What is the deal?

hey audiocontra??? or whatever, you actually compare a civic and a vette? i don't know what kinda vettes you work on but there is no way a crx could hang with a vette anywhere!!!

I also just finished reading this thread......About the ten second Honda`s....I have a copy of `TURBO AND HIGH PERFORMANCE MAGAZINE` with a cover story entitled `the dirty dozen` which boasts twelve ten-second-hondas. The fastest of wich ran a 10.46 @ 128.5mph!!!
He`s equipped with a turbocharged 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine that he built himself with 9.0:1 low-compression pistons, ported-and-polished cylinder head stuffed with oversized stainless steel valves. His turbo kit is a Garrett T04E turbocharger. All this translates into a 468-horsepower Civic with NO NITROUS OXIDE. This car is fully street legal, with full interior!!
We must keep in mind that this guy is an AMAZING qrt-miler that can pull the maximum out of any car at all!

The second place guy, not as good a driver but an extremely fast car... 10.50@138mph!!!
Powered by the H22A DOHC VTEC producing close to 600 horses at the flywheel!!!This is a full blown race car though, no street driving for this guy! HA!

Also worth mentioning, the world`s quickest four cylinder.. the 2.1-liter Cosworth-powered Probe (rear drive) manages 1.1 second 60-foots during a 7.70-second pass!!! I couldn`t even imagine what it would be like to accelerate like that!

I just read an article (can't remember where) about Ed Bergenholtz (sp?) and his STR powered CRX. He broke a record and ran a 9.901 quarter. I believe they said it was the first CRX ever to break into the 9's. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

I too have that copy of Turbo with the "dirty dozen". Pretty cool stuff.

A nick was that the lastest issue of Turbo Magazine?

DXR_WILL: No, I believe it was from a couple of months ago, not sure. I'll look it up when I get home and tell you what issue it was.

That was the first ever HONDUH to break the ten second barrier.

With enough time and money you can make a Dodge Aries run 10s. I don't think to many people realize that when they ses things like "Street Legal <insert rice rocket here> -9.1 Second Qtr. Mile" or whatever, you get the point.

PLEASE, STOP THE MADNESS!!

"Can we all just get along"

I have a great for respect for the CR-X because my friend just implaneted a "ZC Engine" into his 91 crx si, that thing is damn quick!., the jap's(NOT RACIST). know how to make a reliable but desirable engine, the jap' spec is more then 25 hp more then the states and the wieght of the car also means alot, he has took 2nd in 3 maJor events at our local strip besides he actually believes that a N/A 4 banger can pull a low 14(no slicks) in the 1/4 mile., he's beaten many 5,O's(stock) and imports ealsily. I personally have made alot of money beating V-8"s..those guys have no respect for turbos and v-tech power. Next time you see a crx, think twice and listen, you might hear the sound of laughing when they kill you in the next street race. And then order shrimp chowmain!.. :0)