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3800 PCM location thoughts by Fiero_Guy
Started on: 05-16-2013 09:27 PM
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Report this Post05-16-2013 09:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero_GuySend a Private Message to Fiero_GuyDirect Link to This Post
So I plan on putting my PCM on top of my Battery,
I have to cut out my rusted battery tray and I plan to lower the battery about a inch and put my PCM right on top, even if I didn't lower the battery it already fits. What do you think?





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Unless you place all the wires in the holes in the PCM's connector seals, they are not watertight. The outside of the PCM will also corrode.

Considering that the majority of the wires between the PCM and the engine/transmission run to the throttle body area & to the transmission connector area, the closest location that works is the stock ECM location. Adding to that it keeps the PCM inside out of the weather. So it seems to me that the most dependable place is there.

In my opinion if you want to keep the PCM under "hood" you should locate the PCM in one of the stock water resistant boxes that GM used in the late 90s on many of their full sized cars.
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You may have to wack off the corners of the PCM's fins to to make it fit.

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Report this Post05-16-2013 09:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JustinbartSend a Private Message to JustinbartDirect Link to This Post
I've had mine under the passenger side vent for 6 years now without a problem. If I were to do it again I would probably put it inside.

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Report this Post05-16-2013 11:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadDirect Link to This Post
Heres three for the stock location...
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Report this Post05-16-2013 11:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JfrostSend a Private Message to JfrostDirect Link to This Post
Stock location is best, remove the stock PCM tray and there's plenty of room.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 12:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for thismanyfierosSend a Private Message to thismanyfierosDirect Link to This Post
Mine is in stock location..Nice and safe.
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Report this Post05-17-2013 12:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Direct Link to This Post
my 3500 PCM is mounted to the firewall in front of where the battery used to be.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 01:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero_GuySend a Private Message to Fiero_GuyDirect Link to This Post
But dont the PCM's get really hot? A friend has his in the stock location and the heat from the PCM warped the plastic of the armrest and he said it gets hot, I have read on here that people have even added a fan to keep air circulation. On my chevy 1500 truck the PCM looks like its the same and it is fully exposed under the hood, not right under an open grill but on a rainy day it gets wet with the rest of the car, I certainly plan on placing it so is doesn't get wet, but if it doesn't look like a good place I will move it to he stock location. Any one else used any fifferent areas?
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Originally posted by Fiero_Guy:

But dont the PCM's get really hot? A friend has his in the stock location and the heat from the PCM warped the plastic of the armrest and he said it gets hot, I have read on here that people have even added a fan to keep air circulation. On my chevy 1500 truck the PCM looks like its the same and it is fully exposed under the hood, not right under an open grill but on a rainy day it gets wet with the rest of the car, I certainly plan on placing it so is doesn't get wet, but if it doesn't look like a good place I will move it to he stock location. Any one else used any fifferent areas?


Mine has been in the stock ECM location since 2001. No fan and no heat issues.
So, one more vote for stock location.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 05:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sco77Send a Private Message to sco77Direct Link to This Post
Most people put it in the stock PCM location.. I'm putting mine in the engine bay under the left side vent, the stock airbox and other junk in that side is being removed.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 07:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadDirect Link to This Post
The PCM gets warm, it will be much hotter in the engine bay.
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Report this Post05-17-2013 08:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
The PCM in my personal 3800SC sits behind the drivers seat in a PCM tray, carefully positioned as to not block full retraction of the seat. I had to slice off the corners of the PCM fins to do this. At the time the PCM was installed here, I did not think it possible to locate it in the stock location under the console. Subsequent installs now reuse this location. Why? Its cool, dry, eliminates engine compartment clutter and hidden out of sight.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 09:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FIEROFLYERSend a Private Message to FIEROFLYERDirect Link to This Post
There is no harm in mounting the PCM in the engine bay just do so with the connector end down or covered. Keep away from the exhaust obviously and mount properly. These PCM's are pretty much water tight and mounted in the fender wells of some cars with no major problems.
The stock location is where most of my customers end up mounting it but a few have had no problems with alternate mounting locations I have built a few of my own with the PCM in the engine bay to allow for console mounted sub woofers and also had no problems. Dan

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Report this Post05-17-2013 09:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DimeMachineSend a Private Message to DimeMachineDirect Link to This Post
I mounted mine in the plastic box it came in from the 97 bonneville in the far left corner of my trunk. it is dry, has some air, easy to access. Down side is it takes a little storage space away but I have not tried to load anything in the past 3 years that would not fit because of the pcm being in the way.

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Report this Post05-17-2013 02:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sco77Send a Private Message to sco77Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

The PCM gets warm, it will be much hotter in the engine bay.


That's what I keep hearing, but my GTP has had the PCM mounted not far from the exhaust crossover pipe and almost touching the hot coolant hose, its been fine for 5 years now, also it's not even really mounted well so it even gets banged around, If that's not a good torture test of the 3800 PCM I don't know what is.

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