I want to do an Auto. to Manual trans conversion. When removing the clutch pedal assembly from the donor car, do the clutch and brake pedals come out as one assembly, or are they split into two halves?

Can the existing auto. brake pedal side be modified to a manual style, and just add the clutch side, or does whole unit need to be changed out for the conversion?

Does anyone have photos of these parts after being removed.

This is coming up a lot lately, and it's not a simple job. It seems to me you are better off getting another car unless you just love projects.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/123514.html

The clutch and brake pedals are both attached to the same mounting bracket. You could probably remove them separately, but it would probably be more of a PITA than removing them together. The only difficult part is moving a large wiring bundle that run right in front of the pedal assembly. That wire bundle will get trapped between the pedal assembly and the dash framework, making it difficult to get the pedal assembly out. Aside from that, it's pretty straightforward.

As for modding the auto brake pedal assembly, it would probably be more work than the pedal swap. And you'd need to remove the pedal assembly anyway, to work on it.

On mine I took out the pivot bolt for the pedal and split the manual padel assembly. The nuts that hold the booster to the pedal braket can be used to bolt the clutch section to the brake section. Is tight bolting everything together but I did it.

I thought I already answered this question for you here: www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/125577.html

Quoted from the topic above:

I, like blooze, found it was easier to leave the bracket that supports the brake pedal assembly in place, just remove the long pivot bolt, attach the clutch pedal bracket to the side of the brake pedal support with a couple of bolts, and slide the longer pivot bolt all the way through, also replacing the brake pedal in the process. That darn wire bundle is what makes it difficult to remove the whole pedal assembly!

This is the best and really only way to do this.

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quote Originally posted by Bloozberry: I thought I already answered this question for you here: www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/125577.html

Sorry about that Blooz. I could not find it now, when I was trying to actually do a removal from a donor car. Please forgive me, sorry.

Is the Brake Pedal Bracket the same on both Auto. and Manual Transaxles?
I know the Auto. and Manual pedal levers are different, but I am hoping the brackets are the same.

Thanks for the help.

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If you decide to pull the complete pedal assembly it helps to remove the gauge pod all together so you can reach in and move the wiring out of the way when dropping the pedals. Dan

Luke,
As you know, I am doing the oppisite, making a manual an automatic. For me, all I had to do was remove the nut from the long bolt that goes across the top of the assy. Then remove the two nut/bolts that hold the clutch pedal end bracket on. It looked to me like the assy was made for an automatic car, and then they "added" the bracket to the end of the assy for the clutch pedal (it makes sence to do it this way). I may be wrong but thats what it looked like.

Not sure if the auto assy has the holes in the end for the bracket that is used to support the clutch, and I'm not saying you can get a drill up in there. For me at this point, the brake pedal is too close to the accel pedal, as its normally the right foot that does both the braking and accel. In my case, if I can't get the brake pedal off and swap it with a auto one, I'm just going to cut it off and weld a spacer on it to move it about 3" to the left so that my left foot can be used.

I have the clutch pedal and the bracket for you if you want it, and if we can swap brake pedal's, i'll do that too. I'll take a look at it this weekend, we may have to also swap the long bolt that is used as the pivet point.

Rob

quote Originally posted by qwikgta: Not sure if the auto assy has the holes in the end for the bracket that is used to support the clutch, and I'm not saying you can get a drill up in there.

When I converted my automatic to standard, the holes were already threaded into the side of the brake pedal bracket.

I recently did this on my 1987 Fiero SE / V6.

So I will say that this is a VERY involved process if you want it to be like stock, there's a lot of little things. I lucked out and actually bought a 1987 Fiero SE / V6 manual transmission car that I stripped and simply transferred the pieces from the old car to the new car. As I did this, I replaced pieces that were broken or reconditioned them.

For the pedals, I took it all completely apart, greased everything, and re-installed it with new bushings, new clutch pedal, etc:

I have somewhat of an overview of everything that I've done. The link to the main page with all the stuff is here:
http://www.pontiacperforman...et/car87FieroSE.html

And the link to just the clutch / transmission stuff is here:
http://www.pontiacperforman...SE_Transmission.html


A lot of the advice I got (that I ended up doing) was from Bloozberry.

When I did this swap (AT -> MT) I swapped the entire pedal bracket and it was a b!%(#.