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how to bypass the neutral safety switch on an 84 fiero se 5spd by jhobbins
Started on: 01-12-2013 12:48 PM
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Report this Post01-12-2013 12:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
Hey guys, my car is stuck in a parking lot, im 99% sure the neutral safety switch isn't working. How exactly do I bypass it?
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Report this Post01-12-2013 01:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for VikingRedBaronSend a Private Message to VikingRedBaronDirect Link to This Post
Your car, if it is a 5spd manual, does not have a neutral safety switch. It has a clutch switch, The switch is located near the top of the clutch pedal assy. The wires are yellow and purple, the switch when the pedal is pushed is normally closed, thus connecting the 2 wires.
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Report this Post01-12-2013 02:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

Yeah, just unplug the wires mentioned above and jumper them.

And make sure the clutch is disengaged or the tranny is out of gear before you try and start the engine!
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Report this Post01-12-2013 03:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
I tried jumping them with a paper clip but it didn't work. I know the Battery isnt dead and i know the starter is finefine
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Report this Post01-12-2013 03:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post

You're not telling us much.

Does anything happen when you try and start the engine? Do the headlights dim? Do you hear a click? Does the fuel pump run?
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Report this Post01-12-2013 04:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
Sorry ill try to give more detail. The lights dont dim, the starter was replaced a few months ago and gave no signs that it was going out. The fuel pump relay doesnt work so the fuel pump doesn't run. The motor isn't trying to turn over at all. I tried the paperclip and it didn't do anything. I cut the purple and yellow wires and tried crimping them together but nothing changed.
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Report this Post01-12-2013 04:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickDirect Link to This Post
It sounds like no power is getting to the starter/solenoid.

I'd try jumping the power from the positive battery connection on your starter to the positive on the solenoid to see what happens. I've just used a screwdriver. This at least bypasses everything else. Just make damn sure the tranny is out of gear!!!

If you haven't done this before, perhaps ask someone to do it who's done it previously. Sparks will fly!

[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 01-12-2013).]

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Report this Post01-12-2013 06:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Is the battery cable and the smaller hot wire to the starter good....and is it tight on starter ? i dont know if an 84 has the power connector block above the battery, but a wire could be loose there or a burned out fuseable link. You need a cheap test light to check them.
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Report this Post01-12-2013 07:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 85 SE VIN 9Send a Private Message to 85 SE VIN 9Direct Link to This Post
It may be your ignition switch is sticking. Try spraying some white lithium grease between the top of the steering column and the bottom of the dash. I had this problem for a long time - ended up breaking the key and some other parts in the column before discovering the iginiton pushrod binding between the column and the ignition switch. I rearranged the screws holding the switch in place to create more room. You could probably accomplish the same thing by spraying some lubricant in that area.
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Report this Post01-12-2013 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
Check your fusible links down by the starter.

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Report this Post01-12-2013 07:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mike GonzalezSend a Private Message to Mike GonzalezDirect Link to This Post
Did 84 have a 5 speed option ?

I would put a volt meter or test light on the crank wire of the starter and see if its getting power when you turn the key before you start chasing ghosts. Solonoid on the starter might have gave up.
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Report this Post01-12-2013 08:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamDirect Link to This Post
I had a similar problem with my '85 and it was the ignition switch. I loosened it, moved it a fraction of an inch up the column toward the wheel, tightened everything back up and it's worked ever since.
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Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez:

Did 84 have a 5 speed option ?


No, it didn't.

I'm assuming it's either a typo, or as with my '84, a 5-spd has been swapped into it.

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Report this Post01-17-2013 08:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
Yes the tranny was swapped.
I'm getting 10.5v to the starter is that normal?
I also tried hitting the starter with a mallet but it didn't start
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Yes the tranny was swapped.
I'm getting 10.5v to the starter is that normal?
I also tried hitting the starter with a mallet but it didn't start
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Report this Post01-17-2013 10:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for trotterlgSend a Private Message to trotterlgDirect Link to This Post
What ever happened to pushing a car to start it? Seems like a no brainer to me. Did I miss something some place? Larry
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Report this Post01-17-2013 10:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
Sorry for the double post my phone did it for some reason. I can't pop start it because theres an issue with the fuel pump relay
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Report this Post01-17-2013 10:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for trotterlgSend a Private Message to trotterlgDirect Link to This Post
Turn the key to start when you pop the clutch.
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Originally posted by jhobbins:

Yes the tranny was swapped.
I'm getting 10.5v to the starter is that normal?
I also tried hitting the starter with a mallet but it didn't start


10.5 is not a good thing, that's a weak battery. However, not so low that the car would not start. A healthy voltage when not on would be closer to 12v

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Report this Post01-18-2013 03:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jhobbinsSend a Private Message to jhobbinsDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by trotterlg:

Turn the key to start when you pop the clutch.


Lol i've pop started a car before, many times.

I got it figured out, the starter was bad.

So my next question is, would a 3.8l grand prix starter fit? I have heard people use them as a lighter alternative
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