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Can I get a key made from the VIN??? by Macarchie
Started on: 10-08-2012 09:35 PM
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Report this Post10-08-2012 09:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MacarchieSend a Private Message to MacarchieDirect Link to This Post
Years ago, an 87 Fiero was abandoned (dont' know why). It sat in a tow lot for a few years, then was sold to a guy down the street. It sat in his backyard for years before he sold it to me for parts. He doesn't have a key and the back end hasn't been opened for years. I have the VIN. Is there anyway to get a key made from the VIN? I really don't want to mess up the trunk key lock by trying to pry it open.

Advice appreciated... Jimmy
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Report this Post10-08-2012 09:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CowsPatootClick Here to visit CowsPatoot's HomePageSend a Private Message to CowsPatootDirect Link to This Post
Sure....just walk into the service department at any Pontiac dealership and they can make you one.

Edit...ok, ok...sarcasm doesn't translate well through text. Seriously though, some newer cars you can, but not one that is this old. First obvious question....does it have a power decklid release?

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Report this Post10-08-2012 09:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamDirect Link to This Post
Pretty sure a GM dealer can do it for you, but you will have to provide ownership, assuming that the lock hasn't been changed over the years.
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Report this Post10-08-2012 10:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MacarchieSend a Private Message to MacarchieDirect Link to This Post
There is no title or registration. There is no remote trunk release. (Can't get to the battery so activating the release would be a little tricky if it existed). No ignition key... can't turn the steering wheel. At this time, I plan to start taking it apart from underneath (once I get it up on the lift)

Other than a few battle scars, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the car. No accident damage. It's a mystery to me why it was abandoned. Unfortunately, years of sitting in the weeds haven't done it any good. I found a name on some papers under the seat, maybe I should try to locate this guy. Inspection sticker expired in 1998.

Any other advice?

- Jimmy

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Report this Post10-08-2012 10:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Capt FieroClick Here to visit Capt Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Capt FieroDirect Link to This Post
Ok simple asnwer yes. We have had it done before on my 88GT. The parts guy at our local dealership is a member of our Fiero club, so ownership was not an issue. He did have to contact some back warehouse to get the reference number though.

This does only work if the car has the original ignition or in your case door/trunk locks.

If the car does have a power trunk, you can simply apply power through the cigarette lighter wiring and it will power the trunk release switch.

If it does not have a power trunk, then drilling the lock out is the only way in.

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Report this Post10-08-2012 10:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamDirect Link to This Post
If the dealer could have cut a key for you from the VIN they won't do it without proof of ownership. You may have to go with a locksmith unless somebody else has any ideas. As for the ignition, you can get an ignition cylinder with keys off of eBay fairly cheap, and replacing it can be done in under an hour if you have the right tools to remove the steering wheel. Once you have the wheel off there's a single screw that holds the ignition cylinder in.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/84-8...62ef7f#ht_500wt_1054
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Report this Post10-08-2012 11:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for armosSend a Private Message to armosDirect Link to This Post
Besides proving ownership, I think the age of the car might also be a problem. I've read before that GM doesn't bother to retain key codes for models any older than somewhere in the 90s. I've never tried it though, maybe that's wrong.
The door locks should match the trunk. Maybe it would be better/cheaper if you bring one of those cylinders to a locksmith, instead of having them hack the locks on the car. I've never hired a locksmith though, so I have no idea how expensive or accurate the results of that are.
The lock cylinder might also have the GM key code printed on it, which is all they're trying to get from the VIN in the first place. With the cylinder and key code in hand I assume a dealer should be able and willing to make a correct key. Their procedures are centered around a VIN with proof of ownership, and they don't want to be liable for any thefts, but if you have the cylinder in your hand then hopefully common sense would prevail.
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Report this Post10-09-2012 06:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero84FreakSend a Private Message to Fiero84FreakDirect Link to This Post
There are specialized locksmiths that can come out and make a key on the spot. It can be pricey though. You'll need to call around. As mentioned above too the door cylinders should be the same as the trunk cylinder - unless it's been changed at some point - so if you can remove one of the door key cylinders then you can take it somewhere and maybe get a key made cheaper.

Fieros are old. I'm pretty sure the key codes for each VIN are long gone out of the dealer systems by now.
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Report this Post10-09-2012 06:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
Just drill the lock out and use a screwdriver. It's a parts car.

You can always replace the locks later for less hassle and cost than getting a key made.

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Report this Post10-09-2012 06:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for gen2muchworkSend a Private Message to gen2muchworkDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Macarchie:

There is no title or registration. There is no remote trunk release. (Can't get to the battery so activating the release would be a little tricky if it existed). No ignition key... can't turn the steering wheel. At this time, I plan to start taking it apart from underneath (once I get it up on the lift)

Other than a few battle scars, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the car. No accident damage. It's a mystery to me why it was abandoned. Unfortunately, years of sitting in the weeds haven't done it any good. I found a name on some papers under the seat, maybe I should try to locate this guy. Inspection sticker expired in 1998.

Any other advice?

- Jimmy




I'd drill it out. Be careful pulling this apart without getting the trunk open. I would not want to short even a dead battery. I've also been suprised at the critters that move in while it sits in the weeds. It may not be so cool when the (insert wild animal here) drops on you from above...



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Report this Post10-09-2012 10:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MacarchieSend a Private Message to MacarchieDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for all the input. I'm not in a big hurry, so I'm gonna wait to drill it out. During the winter, I think I will remove one of the door locks and take it to a locksmith to have a key made.

- Jimmy

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Report this Post10-10-2012 07:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
It would be cheaper to just buy new locks. Having a fresh key made for a worn out 20+ year old lock will probably end in sadness.

http://www.fierostore.com/P.../Detail.aspx?s=59903
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Report this Post10-10-2012 07:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sc2m6Send a Private Message to sc2m6Direct Link to This Post
Hey guys. i work for UHAUL. and customers loose the keys all the time and i cut new keys everyday. but on GM CARS AND TRUCKS... the lock and ign cylinders get worn out over the years. fortuneitly if you get the lock and ign cylinders out you can read the tumbler numbers for the key code by taking the ign apart and each tumbler will have numbers stamped on them. ranging from 1 to 5. and most 1 sided keys like our fieros.are a "10" cut key which means that it has 10 cuts out of the key. and if anyones interested i have a kit that u use to rebuild and or rekey the ignition. it comes with new springs and tumblers. just PM me and ill be glad to send you a new ign and door lock cylinders and the stuff to rebuild your old locks and ign or rekey it. so to summerize the post, take out the ign cyl and take it apart and remove the tumblers 1 at a time and write the numbers down in the order you took them out (from the back of the lock or ign to the front where the key goes in) and that will be your key code. for example i did one monday and its code was 1311424124. and i will cut you a key and send it to you free of charge. ALSO i can do a step by step thread on this or send you a copy of some detailed instructions and parts to do it with for cheap. ANYONE INTERESTED???????
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I can put kits togather and sell them for 10 bucks to cover shipping with detailed step by step instructions and all the parts needed. just send me a pm to whoever is interested in having new keys and nice and tight new door trunk and ignition cylinders instead of a lock smith or a pricey dealer visit and avoid walmart cutting a crappy key and messing up our 25 plus year old components. or you can send me your stuff and i can rekey and rebuild them myself for 15$ hope this helps someone on here.

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